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I understand that sometimes as Adepts we become busy with ritual work. Waving lotus wands about willy nilly and commanding the universe to do our bidding, I get that, really. However the fact that this is supposed to be one of the "top 100" occult forums and is this non-busy is a bit odd. Even odder is that I have yet to see a decent discussion on ANYTHING relating to actual Ceremonial/Ritual Magick. I'm fairly certain that if I see one more post based on a fictional religious book I might just scream. I'm almost tempted to start a huge forum post about how I'm having trouble with my Dragonlance or Wheel of Time "magicks". I understand that at it's heart "Magick" is no more than pomp and ceremony that excites and stimulates the brain, thus creating euphoria and the proper energy for the world around us to shift. So with that being said I recommend everyone check out the "Evocation of Arthur Fonzarelli" I will be posting sometime later in the day.

To all of the other Brethren that are sitting in hiding, lurking, trying to eke out meager truth from this forum, I say "Rise Up". Put forth your mental capacity. Start a discussion most worthwhile. To see the truth sometimes one must take a stand and shed some light in the dark corners. Stand tall! Be that Flashlight of IAO! I challenge every person who shares a feeling to start a REAL topic. I would love to see some discussions on the symbolism and eloquence inherent in the Grades. Tips and tricks for contacting your GA. Hell give me a moving on essay on why Magician A was a moron and Magician B is the best EVAR! Let's stop discussing Lovecraftian contrivances as if they are Truth. There is no room in the Great Work for following fiction. Unless it be your will to be a writer.

Love Under Law, Love Under Will
Fra. Accendo

Fictional religious books? Like? The "Book of Law"? Or the Golden Dawn hodgepodge?
All this material is "fictional" to some extent. As well as the popular grimours with the fictional back stories ( like all the stuff being said about the Goetia to cover the 72 spririts that Salomon bound, while the Arab texts state completely different jinn).

bakeneko wrote:Fictional religious books? Like? The "Book of(the*) Law"? Or the Golden Dawn hodgepodge?
All this material is "fictional" to some extent. As well as the popular grimours(grimoires*) with the fictional back stories ( like all the stuff being said about the Goetia to cover the 72 spririt(spirits*)s that Salomon(Solomon*) bound, while the Arab(Arabic*) texts state completely different(+d*) jinn).

****Author's note: All * and corrections in the above ancient tome were translated to the best of the author's limited understanding of the Trailer Parkageton. The ancient language spoken amidst the single and double wide domiciles of the disenfranchised and chronically unemployed. Any changes made to the original text have been noted by the Author withing parentheses.


Obviously you read with quite the selective vision. You latched upon one key phrase and ran off like an intellectual toddler. Thank you. I mean the grammar alone would have proven my point. However, your blatant misuse of knowledge to support your point is staggering. The Book Of The Law was given as the conversation of Fra. Perdurabo's Holy Guardian Angel. From on high so to speak. The entire Golden Dawn system is based on real ritual. Granted it is taken from multiple sources. However, the religious significance can not be lost.

The reason religious texts have power is the belief of the author. Crowley believed the conversation to be with his HGA.

Lovecraft stated on several occasions that his book was completely fictional. It was nothing more than supplemental to his books. It was also a way for the people who have written in his name in the last 80 years could remain consistent with his original works.

Worshipping a literary exercise and physically believing fictional characters made up in a man's mind to be real is ludicrous and unbalanced.

You want to know why practitioners in the United States aren't taken seriously? Because teenage occultists with no real intellect decide they want to desecrate cemeteries, churches or mosques in attempts to summon Cthulhu.

Fra.Accendo wrote:Lovecraft stated on several occasions that his book was completely fictional. It was nothing more than supplemental to his books. It was also a way for the people who have written in his name in the last 80 years could remain consistent with his original works.

Worshipping a literary exercise and physically believing fictional characters made up in a man's mind to be real is ludicrous and unbalanced.

You want to know why practitioners in the United States aren't taken seriously? Because teenage occultists with no real intellect decide they want to desecrate cemeteries, churches or mosques in attempts to summon Cthulhu.

Much of Lovecraft's work came from his dreams rather than his conscious imagination. Indeed many of his dreams were repeats that would happen night after night and would be written down upon his awakening. His work does not share the same relationship with say the author of a comic book on Superman. While I am quite willing to state that it also does not share the same relationship as Crowley had with his own writings, I think it foolish to categorize and pigeonhole an entire system that has been used by many to great effect. Even aside from Lovecraft's writings there are several books that have been created and/or put together by practicing magickians that hold the same name as Lovecraft's creation. I think it doubly foolish to discount these grimoiries which are manifestation of magickians who do think the content to be real, not unlike your description of Crowley thinking his experience to be real. Your view is exceedingly close minded. What of something like the Simon Necronomicon where the name is used and a few fleeting references to lovecraft but little else? What of Tyson's Necronomicon, Lovecraftian in nature but created and believed in by a powerful magickian. His work would seem to exist as valid under your example. As far at teenage occultists far more want to summon Lucifer than Cthulhu and there are a number of American practicioners who are taken seriously.

I've got a response in a new thread because this turned into a debate. You can find the link here Chaos vs. Ceremonial