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Does anyone know anything about the return of the gods?
Not like being almost passive voices in the background, but returning for real?

I would like to know anything you know, posts, links or other forums.

Any gods in particular?

Moth wrote:Any gods in particular?

Any pantheon, but on a global level.
This is not necessarily a 2012 thing, but the time should be narrowed down to within ten to twenty years.

As I have a certain feeling that there are people here rather able, people with experience of online forums and information I lack, maybe you have seen a discussion or even participated in one on this topic.
"So...whats going on in your end?" kind of question.

I do not know about in the physical but i know people who have been contacted by YGGDRASIL/Thoth

Kalcolindo,

If you mean the Anunaki from the Summerian tablets and the arrival of a wondering planet called Nibiru you may want to look on YouTube for sightings of Nibiru in Australia:
(There are other video's some much better than this one).

Some are fairly convincing and have me wondering if something is happening... I remain skeptical.
A good site I found is called: http://www.truthism.com
(Not that I feel all that is on there is truth, but it makes for a great read).

As for the "return" of Gods or higher energies than that of Angels/Deamons, it is possibe to gain contact with them this can be done through various rituals, not all are effective and can take some time, and what yo may gain might not even be tangable/logical or have any relivance to your life time or comprehension.

LoS
Steve

Why don't you do some serious study into the area?

I think you will find some very tangible answers.

It is a mystery i have been working on for many years.

Though i don't know about 2012- perhaps the results of CERN scientists will give us a clue?

Q

Well, since so far this is all a bit vague - could you let us know what you've found out so far?

I'm with Steve on that

Moth wrote:Well, since so far this is all a bit vague - could you let us know what you've found out so far?

Uhm, been thinking about whether or not to tell that part.

I am sure that within ten years, the deities will return in flesh.
It will not be in spaceships or from the skies, they will incarnate into human bodies, taking great care in when and where to incarnate, carefully designing the events in their lives.
When one think about it, few people believe in the gods, even fewer know that they can walk among us.
By incarnating into a human body, they can take more direct actions.
Through carefully designed events in their lives, they may bridge access to their true selves.
After that is done, they can do what they came to do.

I am acting as a forerunner, and when the time comes, if it comes, I will act as a guardian together with other Scion.
Accidents happen so easily. [tongue]

One may see it as a prophecy I put hope in and follow.
Wanted to see if it intertwined with someone else vision of the future.

The..."prophecy", as we can call it, is put together by patterns, theological theories and results of me taking apart myself and then analyzing the history of myself.
Also, a lot of gut feeling and contemplation.

However, this is perceived as one of several viable purposes and futures for Scion, only time will tell.
I do not put all my eggs in the same basket, so to speak.

But that means I won't be able to summon Athena to flirt with her! Lol that was bad joke, but I've had a similar feeling. Nothing concrete of course, just a feeling I can't shake.

To Gaeus, incarnate into form doesn't always obscure an entity's capacity to operate on other levels and planes.You could still summon something that possessed physical form, granted nobody actually has to answer your call.Thus you are free to summon Athena regardless of planar status, though you should probably bring your A game if you want to score.Smite her enemies and erect a shrine, they love when you smite their enemies and build shrines, if that doesn't work get her a double headed ax or a few statues maybe, if things don't work out you can always flee in terror.

And onto the primary point of this topic, I would say yes, however I don't consider any form of entity, regardless of power, a god.Due to this technicality, my answer is currently no.Perhaps if the question differed slightly, so would my answer.

I would challenge the premise of the question: who says the 'gods' or whatever one may choose to call these entities, left at all? Clement of Alexandria said the pagan oracles ceased at the birth of Christ but across the globe, even today, people experience these phenomena as they always have.

If he means gods as physical beings akin to the Annunaki in Sitchin then the answer is they will not be back since they never existed. As scholarship on the Sumerian texts have increased (and you can find them online now) it has become clear that his definitions and motifs are not accurate. I love his work and own all his books in hardcover but I do not believe him.

Finally, an entity cannot be summoned into physical form. Those which are not scryed in a dark mirror will appear with elements of three-dimensionality but composed of flashing colors of light (often blue) after emerging from a cloud of the same material.

I wasn't aware anybody was talking about summon a metaphysical entity into a physical state, well you know, unless you summoned it into yourself and find yourself under possession, but that's still different.I was stating that, even if a being possessed physical form, that wouldn't mean you would be unable to summon it, IE something has physical form and you summon it in spiritual form (seeing as living things are capable of OBE, telepathy and astral).

On the other terms, I agree with you, who says anybody ever left in the first place?Well naturally not everybody would stay per se, everyone has different interests and agendas, and some may migrate to and from.

Additional note, other dimensional beings make less sense from this dimension since it's like trying to read a file in a different format, you'd need to let go of your dimension entirely to fully grasp another, it's a matter of perception.Other dimensions can get pretty interesting, need to be aware of things of course, that's just common consensus.Personally I find this dimension pleasant, it has emoticons.

I stand corrected. Reading about yet more Incarnations on the site gave me vertigo so all the posts were spinning and I misread them. Sometimes even good Homer dozes.

I agree with my co-posters, that the spirits never left, but come and go, most as they wish, some more often than others, some less. What I find interesting in the vertigo of posts is that fact that there are yet more. The question itself indicates a search for these voices known from vision and legend, which formulates a sort of call.

The second question in the original poster’s comment belies the vox clamatis that calls for the aristocracy to play their role.

Kalcolindo wrote:Does anyone know anything about the return of the gods?
Not like being almost passive voices in the background, but returning for real?

I would like to know anything you know, posts, links or other forums.

This voice in the desert repeats the cries “save us” “help us” “protect us” of the common prayer and much of current magical practice. These voices claim the spirits incarnate are passive, but call out in order to be allowed to be passive themselves.

Why should these spirits speak, when their voice alone would be drowned in the hundred charlatans and the thousand fools? What good is evidence that they speak the truth if that evidence most often evokes only fear and awe? How well can someone hear when they are laying on the floor?

It would seem illogical, in such an environmental paradigm, for these spirits incarnate to come forward. It would be like Superman giving out his email address. A dark knight may tell them to fuck off. The spam reply is “save yourselves.” And Bruce Wayne would share his gear.

Asurendra wrote:I would challenge the premise of the question: who says the 'gods' or whatever one may choose to call these entities, left at all? Clement of Alexandria said the pagan oracles ceased at the birth of Christ but across the globe, even today, people experience these phenomena as they always have.

If he means gods as physical beings akin to the Annunaki in Sitchin then the answer is they will not be back since they never existed. As scholarship on the Sumerian texts have increased (and you can find them online now) it has become clear that his definitions and motifs are not accurate. I love his work and own all his books in hardcover but I do not believe him.

Finally, an entity cannot be summoned into physical form. Those which are not scryed in a dark mirror will appear with elements of three-dimensionality but composed of flashing colors of light (often blue) after emerging from a cloud of the same material.

Clement would say that. Some christians found that trickery and deceit bring those who can not be conquered into their fold.

Hello I am new here, but I would like to answer your question w/ a proposal. Accept it or dismiss it but this is what I have gathered. Before I answer, let me quickly review history from what history has allowed me to collect. Billions of years ago, the Cosmos appeared out of nowhere. An explosion of star-dust & molecules & particles, swirling in the vast oceans of nothingness. Billions of years later, Empires became intergalactic. The Lyrans ran into the Draconians & had a war, where the Draconians destroyed 3 of the Lyrans planets. Bila, Teka & Merck. This war waged on, until the Reptilian Queens in Orion, offered a peace treaty to the Sirian Kings, which, the people of Sirius were refugees from Lyra. From Orion, they dwelt in an Allegiance Empire, until King Alalu was chased out, stumbled upon Earth & messaged Nibiru threatening to attack it. Anu, the man who chased Alalu out of Nibiru for the throne, sent his son Ea, to stop Alalu. Ea found Gold & told Nibiru, causing Anu to send Ea's brother An-En. Ea & An-En worked w/ Alalu since Alalu found Earth he had legal ownership, until Anu brough...t Alalu's grandson (aka Ea's son), to Earth, & Alalu's grandson, Al-Al-Gar, turned against Anu. Anu lost & retreated, giving Al-Al-Gar the name, Zeus. Anu convinced the Reptilian Queens that if Zeus rebelled against the Sirians w/o help, that he could rebel against the Orions if he found help. The Queens helped Anu & that is when Earth became Anu's territory & also about the time that Ea created us about 445,000 years ago. Ea & An-En fought over who should rule where & Anu came to settle the disputes & they drew straws. Anu kept the Throne on Nibiru. An-En became Enlil, Lord of Command & Ea became Enki, Lord of the Earth. Enlil stayed in Eridu & watched over the UFOs trafficking the gold back & forth while Enki ruled over the mines. One day, Marduk hired a group of Rebel Reptilians to betray the Anunnaki & upon succeeding, he renamed himself Amon-Ra, the Almighty Sun-God, corrupting anything that said otherwise, until the Rebel Reptilians betrayed Marduk & gave him another name, Atum. That is when the Rebel Reptilians pulled Abraham out of Sumer around 3,800 B.C. used his DNA to create the Hebrews & lead them around to destroy the world, until one of Abraham's descendant, Moses, was born & created the Torah somewhere around 1,300 - 1,200 B.C. until further down the Hebrew lineage, Yeshua is born & corrupts Rome, inspiring Catholicism around the beginning of our Current Era. Emperor Constantine re-writes Catholicism & calls it Christianity, giving Yeshua Ben Yusef, the name, Jesus Christ, & releases the 1st Christian bibles on 331 C.E. Muhammad creates Zionism & Muslim religion around 600 C.E. Martin Luther creates Lutheran religion around 1,500 C.E. John Smyth creates Baptism around 1,600 C.E. & Joseph Smith creates Mormonism around 1,800 C.E.
Now. The reason why (in my belief) the Gods have not returned yet, is due to YHVH. The Enemy (the God<s> of the RHP) has enslaved humanity through Genocide & is holding a gun to our head, threatening the Nordics that if they return they'll kill us. Personally, I do not believe that YHVH possesses the power to over-throw the Nordics, but they are in a position where the Nordics don't want to sacrifice our lives just b/c of what's happened. In my opinion, the Gods will only return when the majority of Earth wakes up & realizes the truth, but before that will happen I believe the Enemy will do something drastic, bringing the Gods back anyways since our lives will be at steak, anyways. That is my take on the situation. I hope I helped or gave you some type of opinion of your own. Sorry for the long message

Gods fade when no one believes in them anymore.

Belief powers reality.

So,a resurgence in belief and active worship of godforms leads to an active resurgence of manifestation of said godforms.So the wheel spins.

We made the Gods,not the other way around,so they exist but they are dependent on us for their energy and power.

Just my own tuppence.IMMV,of course.

Ultimately, everything is an expression of Consciousness but I don't think that means it is reducible to human consciousness alone. My opinion is that besides other physical beings such as ourselves there are beings who exist as matrices of energy (we do too, but I mean less defined according to our senses) and hold the 'patterns' of our holographic reality. I would say these are the devas. Of course humans can create and empower thought-forms but it is equally possible that these could be used as a mask by something else or we are in a process of co-creation with them.

I can't recall a source for that Hermetic quote I recall: "The gods of the Zodiac are eternal but man creates the gods."

I agree with the theory of co-creation of “reality” between humans and devas. If the microcosm can be seen to reflect operations in the macrocosm, then the matrices behind the creation of “reality” can be reflected in the creation of dreams. That is if, of course, life really is just a dream.

On a microcosmic level, experiments conducted on sending dreams or visions have shown unfailing results in the echoes of their manifestation. A “bubble” is created and “elements” are communicated to fill up the “space”, but the rest of the “story”, so to speak, is filled in by the subconscious (or conscious, depending) of the recipient. They are, in other words, mini manifestations of a combined Will (or Wills, if there are many participants).

Similar tests show a marked difference in results where subjects were “relocated” for a time into another plane of existence. In these cases, descriptions of the “environment” show more consistency of detail and the environments overall are described as less “changeable” (a statistical variable in details of descriptions would need to be applied for the “fill ins” for blocks when the witnessing things that the conscious mind cannot comprehend).

Based on these results, the current hypothesis is that “environments,” such as the physical and various spirit planes, is created in part through the combined consciousness of the inhabitants. Very early results show that this co-creation “strengthens” in stability the greater the number wills (on conscious, subconscious, and “higher” Will levels all contributing on the human level, for instance).

In such a case, the matrix of reality could be touched by altering the tone of a note here and there amongst the symphony of individual and collective wills. Like altering the evolving threads of a tapestry. It is a choice to do so by force or finesse, or whether or not to do so at all. But in theory altering the matrix of realities is a similar process to the practice of magical manifestation. Manifestation, to an extent, is evidence itself. While energy reservoirs of the “higher” self vary depending on the spirit type, overall humans, I’d say, are capable of much more than they currently practice. There is force, after all, but also finesse.

may I ask you a question ne1 I presume mind games in this city built on gathered conscience and thinking to suggest to hate 7 billion people is my will but is it possssible these days I presume my spirit world a trillion years ago war was presumed to evil so they went to bay the dark shade war lords that gather n the mniddle of the soul seek will to exist and mercy from earth to gain will to heal and raise as once was leaders of shall they follow. they say humans a blasted deasese but jerry they say raises so much and gathers much WHAT A RACE so some seek to sell there souls here I share my will. but to dream of raising ocean clouds and cities anywhere they see potential so the heaven condemnation of gatheri8ng my councience and thinking in painful ways I support heaven I know rightttt

There are indeed games afoot in this city; we are watching as they progress. It is possible too that your memories of spirit are a true account of part of the history of your spirit, there are often “tells” when this is the case. If so, there is also healing in this mercy, and potential in this race. Support is always appreciated. Just keep in mind, your history is just your story told thus far, and stories are often complex.

As for the issue of the anger, I would recommend transferring that energy into two other possible emotions



Or if you are feeling more active:

I've been somewhat interested in this one as well.

Seems I've run into plenty of people who've either had NDE's in Iraq or Afghanistan, gone crazy with DXM and hit fourth or fifth plateau, and for some reason the Eye of Horus as well as Osiris and Isis have been showing up with a lot of people who didn't really have the point of reference for it (albeit yes - I'd fully agree that the subconscious is one heck of a supercomputer, but then I wonder why the Hermetic theme jumps out so much these days).

Another thing that was quite interesting was Graham Hancock talking about the ayahuasca retreats people have in Brazil, a 'mother ayahuasca' that keeps showing up, and then his own experience of her giving almost all the hallmark clues to being a manifestation of Isis trying to help people, warn them of their ways, and in almost a Judao-Christian manner warning him in particular about the risk of certain paths taking people to the underworld - his vision complete with Osiris and the scales. In his case at least there's enough Egyptology in his history for me not to make too much of it but when taken in aggregate I can't dodge the impression that something is going on with all of that.

Kalcolindo wrote: Uhm, been thinking about whether or not to tell that part.

I am sure that within ten years, the deities will return in flesh.
It will not be in spaceships or from the skies, they will incarnate into human bodies, taking great care in when and where to incarnate, carefully designing the events in their lives.
When one think about it, few people believe in the gods, even fewer know that they can walk among us.
By incarnating into a human body, they can take more direct actions.
Through carefully designed events in their lives, they may bridge access to their true selves.
After that is done, they can do what they came to do.

I deeply hope they side-step the tribulation craze and conspiracies though. I've heard enough David Flynn, Steve Quayle, and Tom Horn to last me a lifetime - George Kavasilas is also right up there on the list with his Nords.

Hello Cybernetic_Jazz,

Mother Ayahuasca is a deva. I would not think that she is identified with Isis. I somehow have in mind that Isis had an archaic association with the blue lotus. This was used by the Egyptian priest class as an hallucinogenic so she may have been a deva onto whom other images and associations were projected over time. That is often how it happens.

I'll repeat what I said earlier on the thread: the gods never left. They were never material beings (outside of taking birth as an avatar). I don't agree with everything in this book but there is a lot of good information:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Deva-Handbook ... a+handbook

You mentioned a number of people at the bottom of your post. I'm not really a fan of any of them. I think a number of them are simply off on a wrong direction but some, like Steven Quayle, probably have deeper problems. I have listened to a number of interviews with him and heard him on Coast to Coast AM for years and I always think of Baron Von Munchausen.

Asurendra wrote:Hello Cybernetic_Jazz,

Mother Ayahuasca is a deva. I would not think that she is identified with Isis. I somehow have in mind that Isis had an archaic association with the blue lotus. This was used by the Egyptian priest class as an hallucinogenic so she may have been a deva onto whom other images and associations were projected over time. That is often how it happens.

I'll repeat what I said earlier on the thread: the gods never left. They were never material beings (outside of taking birth as an avatar). I don't agree with everything in this book but there is a lot of good information:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Deva-Handbook ... a+handbook

TY, I'll have to have a look at that.

Asurendra wrote:You mentioned a number of people at the bottom of your post. I'm not really a fan of any of them. I think a number of them are simply off on a wrong direction but some, like Steven Quayle, probably have deeper problems. I have listened to a number of interviews with him and heard him on Coast to Coast AM for years and I always think of Baron Von Munchausen.

Between Steve, Tom, and David (RIP) you have Christian watchmen - ie. cutting edge spiritual warfare, enough to where most Christians have a hard time keeping up with their information to figure out whether they're on to something or not. George Kavalilis on the other hand is a new ager but he seemed to like pinning something on his own analog of the Christian tribulation - perhaps for cornering a target audience, or perhaps the universe and collective unconscious is just playing the same practical joke that it is on others.

As for Steve I spent quite a while listening to him on Hagmann and Hagmann when I'd gotten a scare over the parallels between the new age ascension claims from 3rd to 5th dimension and all the Christian Revelations and tribulation stuff. For a moment I thought I'd found a smoking gun in some of the videos sealing the deal that it was all Satanic in the true Christian-viewpoint sense but then when I really started listening to him more over time as well as even pastors who seem very clued-in on the energy streams I started seeing that there's hardly a difference between a psychic/medium and a prophet except that God would have more of that prophet or watchman's 'isms' whereas mediums and psychics already know that coloration is a risk and actively avoid it. From there reading the bible cover to cover a couple times was also helpful in that all the disjointedness hit home, I traced the OT back to its multi-cultural origins or 'pre-Christian impulses' and found out that yes, it's a particular manifestation of the truths that the pagan saints such as Pythagoras and Plato were seeing. Anthroposophy helped me connect a lot of the dots as well while various occult books did the rest. The claim seems truer than ever to me now that most church-going Christians are dealing with 'something' but they don't really understand what (I'd venture a guess at this point higher self) and similarly don't realize that masses - Catholic or Protestant - are acts of theurgy and chain magick.

As for all the different modern day prophets talking about everything from China and Russia sweeping in rob, rape, and pillage to Nibiru, to god splitting the US into four islands for Obama in the future requesting Jerusalem be split in four, or Nibiru off of the Kolbrin Bible in one particular guy's case all the way to the fallen angels masquerading as beautiful space-people (the Pleiadiand-Nordic-reptilian con) who'd come to then take our souls or whether it'll be the giants and cyclops from the book of Enoch coming to rip us limb from limb while genetic supersoldiers come to either kill us all or enslave us to the 666 chip - the whole thing when I weigh these up starts getting mutually exclusive in the way each idea or prophecy is told and I really can't help but think that while they're well intended they're making simple entry-level occultist mistakes and having their beliefs fed back to them along with these visions in ways that really don't tie out with the future.

That research was a bit of a metaphysics lesson as well - ie. you know what you know and if you're going to have a nudge from your subconscious you'll just have what bits of knowledge you have reunited to new ideas and concepts rather than having whole new ones added in. To that end if a person has overdosed on one very particular way of thought all they may get it some permutation of that train of thinking.

At this point though I rest rather comfortably on the following assumption - if the devil were given cart blanc to plant dinosaur bones, fabricate overwhelming evidence for evolution, send false NDE's and mysticism to make people think God's not judgmental, send a fallen angel to pretend to be Mary to lead most Catholics to hell for undoctrinal belief (or I should say the remainder that might have had doctrinal belief) - the bowl of wrath Jesus took on the cross, per the exoteric narrative, was 90 to 98% in vain depending on just how profound the numbers of people going to hell would be which doesn't make a lick of sense. It would also exclude a loving God to deliberately trick people into destruction or set up a 'strong delusion' made to wash as many people as possible down the waterslide to fire and worms.

Lol, sorry if I went a bit deep on reflection with that - my point is I tend to analyze things from their own internal logic and if that logic explodes on it's own postulates something is fundamentally wrong and the theory needs to be tossed out. I just consider myself incredibly lucky to have the leeway to read and think as much as I do, otherwise I could be dragging along as a nominal somewhere.