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I was thinking about these things the other day and I figured I'd write them out here. For one thing I was thinking about Time. I was thinking about those times when time seems to slow to a crawl and the other times when it seems to move very quickly....and then ofcourse the times it's just normal. Those things seem to describe what happens when you (you, me, Fotamecus...whoever) manipulate time. That got me thinking that maybe Time itself manipulates time in the same fashion, except that instead of manipulating it for just one person or a van full of magicians, it would be for perhaps the whole universe or galaxy, solar system....maybe a whole planet. Maybe Time needs to be balanced out the same way Fotamecus and I'm assuming then also Time Magicians need to (well....all that stuff about Fotamecus speeding up time, but needing to slow it down the same amount somewhere else to balance it out). *lol* or Time HAS to now, because of all the Time Wizards and Fotamecus users that are messing with it. And this could be for either the god of Time scenario where he is the one doing the manipulating or for Time being a totally natural phenomena that self-regulates and all the manipulations happen on their own..sort of on an auto-pilot.

So, either way...do you think that perhaps when it appears to us that time is moving at a faster or slower rate then normal...that it isn't just perceptual? That it is an ACTUAL difference in how time is moving?


Another thing I was thinking about was that person who posted that they had once done a traffic (car trip) related time manipulating and not only sped time up for the car and it's inhabitants, but also slowed down time for those in the rest of the world (...well, I'm sure probably just in the general vicinity of them, but anyway). He said that the people outside were moving visibly slower. So this brings up another question: If Time Wizards can manipulate time for the world at large (like I said I'm sure it just a vicinity thing), could atleast SOME of the instances of time speeding up or slowing down be caused by Time Wizards messing with the time of the outside world?

You always ask such easy questions... [crazy] [geek2] lol.

I will have to have a wee think on this one before replying.Time is something most people think of as a linear measurement only,but it's much more than that alone,in my opinion anyway.

In saying that,I have quite a loose grip on time,to start with,lol,I was born 'late' and I have never been very good with 'deadlines' which always seem to be more 'a loose set of suggested guidelines' for me than actual non negotiable rules,lol.

More later.I'm off to get my leg plastered again this morning,so plenty of time to think about time in the waiting room,lol. [greensmile]

I always thought Time was linear, too. But now I'm questioning that.

Why does History repeat itself...?

Because no one listens the first time.

An old adage,but one that applies,I feel,to this subject. [greensmile]

...Time being a totally natural phenomena that self-regulates and all the manipulations happen on their own..sort of on an auto-pilot.

I like this idea and that's my kind of thinking on it. [thumbup]

I remember reading something about polarity reversal and time dilation,but I need to go data mining to check what and how and where I recall this was coming from.

Geomagnetic excursions.

This:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_excursion

One possible expanation of Global warming/birds dropping out of the sky en masse,etc...? [RE:we could be going into an excursion period atm,say some theorists]

...Since no excursions have been recorded within human history, it is unknown precisely what effects one would have. However, it is likely that nothing serious would occur, as the human species has certainly lived through at least one such event; Homo erectus and possibly Homo heidelbergensis lived through the Matuyama reversal with no known ill effect, and excursions are shorter lived and do not result in permanent changes to the magnetic field. The major hazard to modern society is likely to be similar to those associated with geomagnetic storms, where satellites and power supplies may be damaged, although compass navigation would also be affected. Some forms of life which are thought to navigate based on magnetic fields may be disrupted, but again it is suggested that these species have survived excursions in the past. Since excursion periods are not always global, any effect might well only be experienced in certain places, with others relatively unaffected. The time period involved could be as little as a century, or as much as 10,000 years.
Possible relationship to climate

There is evidence that geomagnetic excursions may be associated with episodes of rapid short-term climatic cooling during periods of continental glaciation (ice ages).[3

There is a theory somewhere that these lead to pockets of time dilation and contraction,but I'll need to go and see if I can find more info.

Oh yeh and there is a lot of Woo and Bad Science connected to this idea,via 2012 and Doomsday scenarios,so here's some good stuff for anyone needing reassured,lol [but seriously...]

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... ersal.html

For me,the Magick happens when you begin to understand that time is not a constant,all the time...I think we start to get into the Quantum stuff from there on in,relatively speaking of course. [greensmile]

Heisenberg anyone...?

Honestly time in a since is kinda based around gravity if you think of it in since of days...
By seconds.... well wtf is a second?

There is no more past, thats gone. There is no future, its has not yet come... There is only right now.
So I guess now is a second.....

But a minute is 60 seconds...and once one of those seconds is gone its gone and the others yet to come so can there truly be a minute, if there's only now?
You can only have 1 second at a time.

At its very core time in and of itself is nothing.
Like the noises that come out of our mouth---Mean nothing if we didn't give them definition.

If the only time you have is this moment here, you're always manipulating time by how you choose to use those moments.


(P.S.) Meth makes a day feel A LOT longer than it really is, and time i guess you could say slows cause u get so much done. So time manipulation? Meth!

(P.S.) Meth makes a day feel A LOT longer than it really is, and time i guess you could say slows cause u get so much done. So time manipulation? Meth!

A ex-meth addict once told me that one time, she was living with someone else and she came down off it one day and saw ALL this food one the kitchen counter and she said to the other person something like, "Geez! Look at all this food you've eaten today!" and then they said something like, "No. This is all the food you've eaten for the past 5 days."

She thought the last 5 days had only been one.

are there any good reading material about magic time manipulation, apart from the stuff about fotamacus, this is an area I'm becoming more and more interested in. there's a book by milton erickson about time distortion in hypnosis as well that I'm going to get round to reading soon

beero wrote:are there any good reading material about magic time manipulation, apart from the stuff about fotamacus, this is an area I'm becoming more and more interested in. there's a book by milton erickson about time distortion in hypnosis as well that I'm going to get round to reading soon

Yeah, I'd like to know, too! I'd really love to learn this, but I really don't want to use Fotamecus.

Time is space and space is time. Just like energy is mass. Time magicians are space magicians. The manipulation of what we think is one. Part of the spectrum is really the maniupulation of all.

Consider an A4 page. It has a vertical straight line on it. If you fold it in half, the line appears shorter. These are the tricks that space plays with its reflective self, time. Folded space is folded time.

I suggest that you take a look at 4 dimensional shapes and 4 dimensional theory. It has a lot to say about space, time and their play on perception.

And as for time dilation, I have experienced such a thing before. I felt denser/heavier during those time dilation sessions.

This talk of time manipulation can get really confusing really fast. Are you speaking of the kind in which all entities move equally or the kind of Time manipulation in which it affects the world but because you felt time slow you personally were not affected? I believe tht time magic all works around awareness, if you know it's happening then you are not affected. I may be completely off topic, your post gave me a headache reading it. It was so complex.

Pretty cool thread. This is how I always thought of time. Time is like rubber/plastic, it can bend and stretch and tends to do it whenever it feels like so it would be relatively easily to manipulate. Steven Hawking backs this up, he wrote about it in one of his books. I think time is one of the most bizarre laws of physics we have. We as people seem to experience time individually, like time for me could be really slow but there could be a guy sitting next to me and time could be going much faster for him. If you wanted to start manipulating time it could be really easy and useful too. I have a Chronos tattoo on my hand for this exact reason, since I got that tattoo time in general seems to be nice to me. It only slows down when I want it to and when it does slow down it's so I can get alot of stuff done in as short a time as possible. At times I seem to process faster in time than other people when I'm in a situation where I need to do that.

I think that in the "spirit world" where all of our spirits originated there is no time, anyone can be anywhere and any time they want to be in doing multiple things. I think spirits can be in 2 places or more on the other side. I believe our collected souls for the most part dictate the reality for this realm so it would make sense that time doesn't always make sense if we all come from a place where there is no time.

I always thought that someone with a lot more skill in magick should create a companion to Fortimecus who manipulated space . One would say, crinkle space ahead of you then uncrinkle it behind you. Warping space.

From what I know of Metaphysics time is not at all linear, and it only appears so because we can only perceive time going "backwards and forwards."

At least how it was described to me, all time, the past, present, and future, is happening all at this moment. We just cannot view time as anything different than how we see it, due to our sense not being able to pick up on it.

Time can fold in on itself, and has something to do with the dimensions (going from the 1st dimension all the way up to the supposed 11th dimension).

I honestly don't know if that is right or not (probably not, but its my two cents *shrug*). [crazy]

This video explains it fairly well: (still don't know how to put videos in posts, so just click the link [tongue] )

The fourth dimension and beyond deals with time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCQx9U6awFw

An interesting topic.To explain time,you will first need to understand what it is.An attribute of mind to associate patterns is both space and time in itself.Time however,measures the degree of change in that pattern,so to explain time you must go into the domain of your very own perceptual concepts.Now,change can either be described as movement(a) or transformation (b)(within the domain of mind these are the same,but for clarification reasons,well use this to differentiate between the perception and the percieved,ie.from within it seems like movement,from without it is perceived as transformation on a grand scale,it all really depends on your point of view).Our very perception of time is distorted from its natural harmonic flow since your heartbeat tends to mimick the rhytmicall balancing of your surroundings,in a state of waking consciousness(we know that with the change of the mental state the perceptions of both time and space change to a degree).Now,this rhytmical balance is really the sum total of incoming information from the senses reflected trough the mind in a way of separation and acknowledgment of the senses.This information in the end is pure mental impulse whcich reflects our reality to our being.Thus,in time,we came full circle,from observation to the next one,pattern to pattern,forming a sequence,and this sequence or rhytm is how we differentiate time from other patternical phenomena.The time itself,it is the vibration and motion that sets the rhytm.Understanding of the matter in question brings a certain control over it,so for instance as long as you accept it as a phenomenon of refracturing of patterns that arise in mind trough motion,you will come nearer to seting the degree of motion,vibration or the rhytm itself.It is not that hard at all to do when you understand that what you see is just a reflection of yourself.So for instance,you may use these following excercises to experience time distortion.
Take an ordinary ticking clock,put it near,take the meditative state and clear your mind from all associations of patterns or the ideas that arise within it.You are to experience only the ticking sound of the clocks rhytm and nothing else.Feel the ticking echoing inside you and become the motion or rhytm in question.Your capability of sequential observation is reduced to a tiny tick and is existential only within that split second of the tick.Now feeling its rhytm(being able to predict each of the following ticks)imagine a double speed tick,for instance within each 4 ticks there are additional 4 tickings in between of the real ticks.Keep this imagination until you perceive the imagined ones as being real.You will experience a doubling in the speed of motion,as for the rest you will see for yourself.
Here is another one,which can be used for accelarating or slowing down bodily circulation and pressure.
Observe your hearbeats.With each heartbeat,you are to feel the blood rushing trough your whole body.
Having experienced its rhytm,continue imagining that this rushing is getting faster and faster or slower and slower.Just dont give yourself a heart attack.Hope this helps,
V

So, either way...do you think that perhaps when it appears to us that time is moving at a faster or slower rate then normal...that it isn't just perceptual? That it is an ACTUAL difference in how time is moving?

Both. I don't think time has an existence separate from our perceptions of it. If you change your perception of time, you change time.

I doubt you could change everyone's perception of time because, well, that would be changing the perceptions of 7 billion people. But I can't think of a case where you'd want to change everyone's perception of time.