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is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:53 pm
by Jack-o-diamonds
so here's the backstory. girl i know brought this pendant to me saying she found it in the woods a few years ago. on the back of this pendant someone carved, and i mean dug into it, this symbol:

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any ideas what it is? i told her i'd ask some people who are pretty familiar with angelic symbols, because that's what it looks like to me.

thanks you guys!

-jack

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:37 pm
by Nahemah
Heh.Looks like a Kamea derived symbol.I can't recall which one though. [blush]

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:49 am
by thehermetist
This is not a symbol derived from sigils made ​​in a Magic Square. Not merely.

Look, at first glance, it does not seem a sigil of any Enochian Angel or Kamea Planetary Entity I know.

This seems a sigil drawn using the system used in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which is naturally derived from the traditional system of Magic Squares. Using the Key of Sigils and Rituals, the Rosy Cross, Personal Sigils are drawn.

In summary, these Personal sigils are drawn from the person's name transliterated into Hebrew. After the transliteration, the Personal Sigil is drawn on the Rosy Cross (using the Enochian already consolidated trace system), and finally the Rosy Cross is adjusted according to the person's Astral Map. It's like a transcendent magical signature. The same process was used to drawn the name of Angels, Intelligences and Spirits.

Maybe it was easier to see what is just looking at the rest of the pendant. However I think analyzing the distance between the little ball and the first corner of the drawing, this was drawn using the G.: D.: Personal Sigils System, ie, was designed in the round shaped Rose of the Rosy Cross.

Possibly this pendant was signed by a magician dedicated to the G.: D.: System, or etched with a angelic name using the same system. May have been magnetized for virtually any purpose, as I said, maybe it was easier to see what is just looking at the rest of the pendant.

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:04 pm
by Jack-o-diamonds
thanks a lot :> i'll let her know!

-jack

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:09 pm
by Nahemah
Ok. [thumbup] That's a lot of information Thehermetist,Thanks.

I used the term 'Kamea' to mean magic square.I should perhaps just have said magic square,lol.

It was [and still is]my assumption that magic squares can be used to derive sigils for names and entities and that this methodology can also be used outside of Kabbalah and GD practices.

I'm still pretty sure I've seen that symbol or one very like it before.I'm still not sure exactly,when/where/why, though.

And for me too,purely curiosity,what was it on the back of,Jack?

The design/style of the pendant itself?

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:26 pm
by Jack-o-diamonds
the front of it had this sun/moon design.

like there was a line separating the sun and the moon. kinda hard to tell u exactly because it's been awhile since i've seen it now.

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:02 pm
by thehermetist
Glad to have been of some help.

When I wrote I tried to be succinct. Now I'll try to explain things in a better way.
Nahemah wrote:Ok. [thumbup] That's a lot of information Thehermetist,Thanks.

I used the term 'Kamea' to mean magic square.I should perhaps just have said magic square,lol.

It was [and still is]my assumption that magic squares can be used to derive sigils for names and entities and that this methodology can also be used outside of Kabbalah and GD practices.

I'm still pretty sure I've seen that symbol or one very like it before.I'm still not sure exactly,when/where/why, though.

And for me too,purely curiosity,what was it on the back of,Jack?

The design/style of the pendant itself?
I took the term used by Nahemah (Kamea) as a synonym of Magic Square, to facilitate the understanding of someone who did not know that the two are the same thing, just that. I still remember how the occult may not be friendly at first.

Following the reasoning, Magic Squares ARE USED to draw sigils of several species, exactly the same way that the Key of Sigils and Rituals is used by supporters of the method of the G.: D.:. In the case of Magic Squares, the sigils are drawn from the entity's name transliterated into Hebrew (if the entity name is not inherently Hebraic), then the letters associated with the numbers give rise to the Sigil drawn on the Square. This is the same method used by the Magi before Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim (whom most sigils is copied to this day) and still being used today, and that "gave birth" to the system Key of Sigils and Rituals G.: D.: from the beginning of the last century.

As an example I will show Nachiel Sigil, who is the intelligence of the Sun:

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And the Magic Squares of the Sun and Moon, which may be relevant in this case:

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In addition to The Key of Sigils and Rituals which is also a possibility:

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Jack-o-diamonds wrote:the front of it had this sun/moon design.

like there was a line separating the sun and the moon. kinda hard to tell u exactly because it's been awhile since i've seen it now.

The drawing in the pendant is like these drawings?


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If this is the drawing in the pendant, it is so recurrent, and an image so banal that I doubt the design is correlated with Magic Squares. But it is still a possibility.

But finally, why I think this Sigil was drawn over The Key of Sigils and Rituals?

Basically because:

1. Its shape is characteristic of Enochian Sigils. The Enochian System was of great influence to the G.: D.:. Before the Golden Dawn, sigils were not standardized in its design, containing in their extremities almost anything. After the Golden Dawn, sigils have gone almost entirely to be drawn as the sigils in the determination of The 92 Governors, in the Tablet of Union.

2. The distance between the small ball and the first corner of Sigil, their angle, position and distance from the third bend.

3. This is no Enochian Sigil, no Sigil of Planetary Intelligence, or Sigil of Planetary Spirit that I know, and which are drawn on Magic Squares.


You know, I'm not quite sure yet. If by chance I come to some other conclusion I'll post here.

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:25 am
by Vashta
I've never worked with kamea sigils before, although there is an app called kamea sigil, for android, that you can enter any text, pick a planetary magic square, and it'll generate a sigil based on the text and the square. The sigils it produces look a lot like this, but with the magic square grid still behind them. I'm not sure if it's possible to reverse the process though, like I said, I've not used them myself.

Re: is this an angel symbol????

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:28 pm
by Jack-o-diamonds
thanks for the replies!

the front of the pendant was a lot like that clock.