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Hello super sensory occultists (and other occultists),

My main question is: how prevalent is belief in aliens in the occult community? Are certain types of occultists more prone to believe in aliens and incorporate them into practices?

At first I thought that aliens were mainly a New Age thing. Then, I heard Poke Runyon say he visited the galactic council and talked to a giant praying mantis. I'm guessing that most occultists more or less believe in aliens, but not all occultists care about interacting with aliens. Some occult orders like the Typhonian Order seem to be totally obsessed with aliens.

Do you believe in aliens? Is alien just another word for non-physical entity (spirit)? What is your attitude toward aliens? Do you want to communicate with them? Are there occultists who don't believe in aliens? How can I tell if the alien stories are real or just crazy talk?

If you do believe in aliens, how far does it go? Do you accept the entire New Age pantheon of aliens (Pleidians, Arcturians, Sirians, Reptilians, blah blah, et cetera? Do you believe that there are intergalactic battles going on right now?

I feel like a noob asking this question (because I am a noob), but that's never stopped me before. I was looking at the website for the International Guild of Occult Sciences and thought "this sounds really crazy." However, I'm not sure how accepted that flavor of occultism really is. Thank you very much.

There are surely other living creatures in the galaxy and plenty in the universe but very far away and they would not necessarily develop a technology enabling faster than light space travel.
If it was the case, we would see a lot of them and I doubt they would all leave us in peace.

It is also true that there was a time where I didn't believe in magick [grin2]

Hello Frumens,

I have been thinking about our post. It touches upon a number of questions.

First, the 'classical' definition of aliens in the modern world are physical beings like ourselves who travel space in 'nut-n-bolt' craft created and powered by advanced technology. There has been a growing trend of 'inter-dimensionalism' but I think the classical definition is still dominant in the culture. From the perspective of your question this is important because these rival paradigms are subalterns of a broader metaphysics. Those who are inclined towards Materialism will generally favor the 'nut-n-bolts' approach. For them, the idea of evoking ANYTHING in a triangle, much less an advanced being like an alien, is as bizarre as an Aztec shaman trying to conjure a Spaniard (although the gulf is much greater).

But, can the term 'alien' really be applied to all inter-dimensional beings? Can a Celestial Deva like the Supreme Lord Shiva really be the same category as a gray that is said to have abducted Whitley Streiber? Does that make Kashmir Shaivism a UFO cult like Heaven's Gate? I don't think so, I think these are different orders of being. But, speaking theoretically, if physical beings on another world are somehow advanced enough that they can use techniques of consciousness to project, in some form, across those vast distances at the speed of thought, I suppose they would be truly 'alien.' While I accept the theoretical possibility, I have to admit that when it comes to New Age channelers and their shallow moralism pieced together with fragments of warped theoretical physics in regurgitated revelations from the Pleidians I just tune it out. (Even if they are floating out there, who the hell are they to lecture us? I don't want to start my Pleidian Rant!)

Those are some of my thoughts on the issues.

...But, can the term 'alien' really be applied to all inter-dimensional beings? Can a Celestial Deva like the Supreme Lord Shiva really be the same category as a gray that is said to have abducted Whitley Streiber? Does that make Kashmir Shaivism a UFO cult like Heaven's Gate? I don't think so, I think these are different orders of being. But, speaking theoretically, if physical beings on another world are somehow advanced enough that they can use techniques of consciousness to project, in some form, across those vast distances at the speed of thought, I suppose they would be truly 'alien.' While I accept the theoretical possibility, I have to admit that when it comes to New Age channelers and their shallow moralism pieced together with fragments of warped theoretical physics in regurgitated revelations from the Pleidians I just tune it out. (Even if they are floating out there, who the hell are they to lecture us? I don't want to start my Pleidian Rant!)

Those are some of my thoughts on the issues.

What Asurendra says above echoes my own views on this subject rather well.

I'm open to possibilities but I remain rather sceptical,personally and I don't want to rant about Pleideans either,lol. [grin] So I'll shut up now.

I would love a rant if anyone's in the mood.

My understanding of alien mythology was that all of the aliens are on non-material dimensions. I'm surprised that you suggest the opposite.

The UFO phenomenon has gone through distinct phases. The first phases was the 'flying saucer' phases that was simply sightings which began in the US after the Mt. Rainier sighting of 1947, although, there were the famous Foo Fighters of WWII so it might be more accurate the set WWII as the beginning of the modern phenomenon.
This quickly moved into the Contactee Phase: this was the early days of George Adamsky and George Van Tassel. This is where the 'nuts-n-bolts' thesis came into being. Think of the original film 'The Day the Earth Stood Still,' which is drawn from the contactees, and you'll have an idea. The aliens were all what are now called 'Nordics.'
The next phases started with Betty and Barney Hill in 1967: this is the 'abductee phase.' Here again, physical advanced beings are here just studying us and tagging us with implants the way we might track a gazelles in Africa. All the 'Space Brother' talk of Adamsky was gone. In their place were the gray aliens which had nothing good to say to anyone. The 'special revelation' tradition from the contactees in continued with Billy Meier and thru the New Age channelers. But they are not 'main stream' ufology.
The first mention of the interdimensional thesis was Jacques Valle. But, this was a radical departure and it didn't really come into its own until the current phase which is dominated by 'the reptilians' beginning in the 1990's. These are David Icke & Credo Mutwa's Chitahuri.
There seem to be roughly 20 year cycles.

What's real or true? I don't know. How one views this will be determined a lot by ones metaphysical lens. SO, I would tend to think along the lines of the interdimensinal view.
I still don't think that means that the Celestial Devas are just aliens, though (despite vimanas)! Oh my religion!

As Asurendra pointed out there can be different kinds of aliens. Personal I have no problem in believing in both types material and other dimensional/spiritual. As for the channelled ones well I doubt there material and most of the time I think there on unclear channels and tend to stay far away from it. I'm pretty sure that humans have had contact with material aliens through out are history why we don't accept this and have common knowledge of it well I'll leave that to the conspiracy theorist. As for the non material types well your on a magic forum there's a lot of stuff on conntacting them. [lol]

I believe that aliens in all likliehood exist on some planet somewhere, but they are merely other mortal species not to be worshiped unlike holy immortal spiritual beings such as Gods and Spirits. I believe they should be treated with the same dignity as humans but no better than.