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My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:04 pm
by LordAnayami
As a Lord of Left Hand I'm very interested how to gain immortality. I thought about it a lot and I have studied too very mutch, so there are my belives. It's very hard topic, so I may make some mistakes, but I belive you will understand main concept.

So, person who want to become immortal have to:

1) Care about it's body.
I think that he should drop eating meat, some jung stuff, sweets, ect. He should at first turn intro vegetarian, then vegan, and at the end he should "eat" cosmic energy. I have read that many people gained ability to feed only on energy. Some of them was sungazing.

2) Meditate and prana breathing.
I belive that meditation help us with improvment of our energy system, which coordanete our energy supply and our physical body. Moreover it opens our chacras, destroy blocades in our system and makes us more fresh.

3)Emotions ands spiritual development.
I think that everyone should try to understand them, what they bring, why they are, what they makes. Try to understand why other people baheve as they behave. I think that everyone has immortal spirit + soul as astral body and physical body. Our mision is to uderstand them to gain knowlage about lots of stuff. I think that everyone have to pass that development and to it has some points. (More in Boomeritis, Ken Willber)

a) 1st level:
- after birht - person who is already born, that person gain knowlage from area where it is placed. At that level person see other people as a movie. They are no living people, but objects.
- second - here person see that it has family, he is concerned about its good, he belives in "God Fire" ect. Person prays into forces of nature. He sees other families as enemy, he fight with them.
- third- here starts gangs, tribes. Person belive in many Gods, like in Egipt, Greece, Roma. That person have main interest in helping his tribe to be rich, ect.
- forth - people creates coutries, they usually belive in one God. They have discipline like in army, they baheve as the rules says.
- fifth - person belive in science, its his god. There are international pacts. He tries to discover as much as he can.
- six - here person belive in compassion, he says that he need tolerancy, feminism, ect, but in reality that person only says, and do nothing. That person try to make everyone to be good, but in reality its only conversations.
b) 2nd level:
- first - here person understands that we are all big family, every councious beeing lihe humans, pets, ect are one big family. He tries to understand the world, how it was created, why and who we really are, how powerfull we are, he tries to make system of rules by considering all 1st level parts
- second - person completed making system, he understands all, he baheve as his system says
c) 3rd level:
- at his level that person is enlightenment, he feels all beeing, he feels love of universe, he can fuse with it or as I wans he can be living all time seperative but as one member of family.

I hadn't wrote all about them, but you can find it by thinking about that levels, about how people bahave.

Usually person who gain enlighenment try to give his knowlage to other people, like Budda or Jezus, but as you can see, it was changed by greed people. He can manipulate the reality, create from energy everything and do amazing things, but he do not seek for popularity and riches.

4) Delete wrong programs in subconscious. (Death ect.) Usually by understanding thy it is and change code into what person needs.

I tried to tell you as good as I could. I may made some mistakes or make someone angry at parts with Gods. I do not belive that they do not exist, but it was only examples to understand main meaning.

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:40 pm
by Asurendra
Anayami-sama,

I do not think there is physical immortality, per se. What all the occult practices of 'immortality' refer to is avoiding the Second Death: that is the decay of the astral body after death in the period one is connected to the astral plane before to whatever may otherwise be one's fate. The trick is to do this without being weak and helpless (hence potential prey) like a ghost or astral shell. This is, at least, my understanding.

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:35 pm
by LordAnayami
In my opinion and as far I researched, there are some blockades in people body that makes death, but when person's fluids from glands, which are places of chacras, are in good form, then that blockades are blocked. They do not work. I had read lots of documents where thre were pointed some people who dained immortality. Most of them were Buddhas priests, who were meditating a lot. In my opinion, if body is not hurt a lot, when glands are fully working in correct way, when person have knowlage how to manipulate reality then where is very big possibility that he can gain phisical immortality.

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:03 pm
by Ramscha
Wouldn´t those buddha priests then be alive and tell that personally to the whole world? Don´t get me wrong but as far as I can see it there was never a living proof for that. Living proof would be that he would be alive now, on physical stage. As Asurendra says, most systems are pointing into the direction of the 2 death, however this one is interpreted. Of course some cultures like the old egypteans mummificated their corpses because they believd that the souls would need them in afterlife. Also the christians had that believe (otherwise fire burrial wouldn´t have been forbidden for so long).

I would also have some questions about your conclusions:
1)
he tries to make system of rules by considering all 1st level parts
How do you come from this to this? I don´t really get the connection.
at his level that person is enlightenment, he feels all beeing, he feels love of universe, he can fuse with it or as I wans he can be living all time seperative but as one member of family.
2)
change code into what person needs.
And what is it what a person needs? When he already is able to live from cosmic energy, what else would there be, also when he already is enlightend and know all about love and that family?

3)
He should at first turn intro vegetarian, then vegan, and at the end he should "eat" cosmic energy. I have read that many people gained ability to feed only on energy. Some of them was sungazing.
First part sounds good so far, but the part with the sun I don´t get. So in order to live from cosmic energy which is seemly produced by atomic fusion (how else does the Sun create energy?) I have to blind myself by looking into the sun and live from it?

4)
In my opinion and as far I researched, there are some blockades in people body that makes death, but when person's fluids from glands, which are places of chacras, are in good form, then that blockades are blocked. They do not work. I had read lots of documents where thre were pointed some people who dained immortality. Most of them were Buddhas priests, who were meditating a lot. In my opinion, if body is not hurt a lot, when glands are fully working in correct way, when person have knowlage how to manipulate reality then where is very big possibility that he can gain phisical immortality.
Sounds reasonable somehow but wouldn´t you have to apply point 4 first? In order to gain immortality you have to get your glands in a good shape but in order to keept that up you of course have to prevent aging (time is not waiting) or betray death somehow by setting out this "program". Whoch then would lead to the beginning of the circle again. Somehow paradox or I am just confused [bummed]

Ramscha

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:10 pm
by LordAnayami
Ramscha wrote:Wouldn´t those buddha priests then be alive and tell that personally to the whole world?

I do not know how you make reply, but I use that type. Some people will try to change them into guinea pigs or try to kill them with bullet ect. They give info how to do it, but they do not show. Most of them are inside of underground cages and usues they abilities to see what is up.

I would also have some questions about your conclusions:
1)
he tries to make system of rules by considering all 1st level parts
How do you come from this to this? I don´t really get the connection.

By thinking about how you and other people bahave you can compere it and contrast, then change yourself to be better person and understant more.
at his level that person is enlightenment, he feels all beeing, he feels love of universe, he can fuse with it or as I wans he can be living all time seperative but as one member of family.
2)
change code into what person needs.
And what is it what a person needs? When he already is able to live from cosmic energy, what else would there be, also when he already is enlightend and know all about love and that family?

To be with other people, to gaim more knowlage, to have fun, so on so on.

3)
He should at first turn intro vegetarian, then vegan, and at the end he should "eat" cosmic energy. I have read that many people gained ability to feed only on energy. Some of them was sungazing.
First part sounds good so far, but the part with the sun I don´t get. So in order to live from cosmic energy which is seemly produced by atomic fusion (how else does the Sun create energy?) I have to blind myself by looking into the sun and live from it?

If you sungaze in about 1 hour before it disapear, then UV is about 0. But, you do not have to sungaze, you have only breath propetly, gain tons of energy from universe and have your energetic system in the good condition. Sungazing wakes up some parts of brain making them more active, which help too with our energetic system. If it is more good, more in good way, then it can absorb from universe more energy, and what means you need less food.

4)
In my opinion and as far I researched, there are some blockades in people body that makes death, but when person's fluids from glands, which are places of chacras, are in good form, then that blockades are blocked. They do not work. I had read lots of documents where thre were pointed some people who dained immortality. Most of them were Buddhas priests, who were meditating a lot. In my opinion, if body is not hurt a lot, when glands are fully working in correct way, when person have knowlage how to manipulate reality then where is very big possibility that he can gain phisical immortality.
Sounds reasonable somehow but wouldn´t you have to apply point 4 first? In order to gain immortality you have to get your glands in a good shape but in order to keept that up you of course have to prevent aging (time is not waiting) or betray death somehow by setting out this "program". Whoch then would lead to the beginning of the circle again. Somehow paradox or I am just confused [bummed].

I did not made it from most important to less, becouse I did not thought about it. I tried to make it in way, that you will understand. So whitch number has a part it has no great meaning. I try to do it all in one time, hmm, how to say, I try to focus on all of them in my day, like when I eat i try to eat well, when I watch anime I do it for entertainment + I compare and contrast other people behavion in it. I try to learn from every situation and try to do my the best.

Ramscha

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:28 pm
by Asurendra
If you aim for physical immortality then I wish you luck in your pursuit, Anayami-chan.

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:40 pm
by Ramscha
I see, from your answer to point 4 I assume our all day life behaviour is not so different after all. I wish you success for your efforts.

Ramscha

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:47 pm
by LordAnayami
In my opinon, if I gain physical immortality and power of Buddha or Jesus, then I can take my body with me and later when I will want to come back here I will not tave reborn. As far I had researched, The Ascension of Jesus is only changing vibrarions of body and taking it with himself to other realams, planets, ect. I have read about the same think but without going into air by other filosopher, and it was looks like the same. But I think I shall later create special topic for it :D

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:04 am
by ne1
I wouldn’t call your thread an Assumption, to mention your use of English. You have what we call a Hypothesis. Still I think I am understanding where the ideas are going, and will rephrase some of them for clarity in the reply. If from your understanding, I misinterpreted anything, please correct me.

Overall, interesting research path in magic. Your hypothesis is supported in ancient and mystical literature. The most common “aftermath” in such stories is not them hanging around but going elsewhere (Flying off on firey wheels and the like), so I can see how you have connected the two together in your last post.

As my co-posters have noted, “immortality” is something typically thought of as being as a spirit, but it is an interesting hypothesis to wonder if such things are possible and manifestable in physical reality. I can see where you are getting some of your ideas from, but have some other things to recommend to you to consider as you work through your theories.
LordAnayami wrote: He should at first turn intro vegetarian, then vegan, and at the end he should "eat" cosmic energy. I have read that many people gained ability to feed only on energy. Some of them was sungazing.
I understand the theoretical principles that you are reflecting in the process you propose. The essence that the physical form feeds off “death” so to speak, and thus separating the body from such a need.

I fault, however, the logic of the progression. By this it is somehow “better” to be killing plants than it is to kill animals… Yeah, no. Death is death. You are still killing something else to suck the “energy” off of it. If you think about it in terms of “moralistic” standards of ingesting death every time you eat a carrot, humans would be lower on the scale than a mosquito. At least it lets it’s victims live… Basically, by this logic it is “better” to only be killing plants to survive. (Cause, you know, fuck those plants. ALL GREEN VEGETABLES MUST DIE!! MUAHAHA!! ;) ). While I understand the principles, the logic and thus the path, would, I think, need some adjustment..
LordAnayami wrote: I have read that many people gained ability to feed only on energy.
As a process of “focus” and the way to experiment would not, I think, be murdering something different (plants vs animals), but eating LESS. What you seem to be referencing is the benefits of fasting:

“Q: How did the Buddha's own experience influence the Buddhist approach to fasting?
A: The Buddha's spiritual awakening is directly related to fasting, but from the reverse. That is to say, only after the Buddha stopped fasting did he realize his mahabodhi, or great awakening. The founding story of the Buddhist faith relates how the Buddha was cultivating the Way in the Himalayas, having left his affluent life as a Prince of India. He sought teachers and investigated a variety of practices in his search for liberation from the suffering of old age, death and rebirth. In the course of his practices he realized that desire was the root of mortality. He determined, incorrectly, that if he stopped eating he could end desire and gain liberation from suffering. As the story goes, he ate only a grain of rice and a sesame seed per day. Over time he got so thin that he could touch his spine by pressing on his stomach. He no longer had the strength to meditate. He realized that he would die before he understood his mind; further, that desire does not end by force. At that point a young herds maid offered him a meal of milk porridge which he accepted. He regained his strength, renewed his meditation, and realized Buddhahood. So by quitting fasting, and eating in moderation, he realized the central tenet of Buddhist practice, moderation.” (From here http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma9/fasting.html )


This is legit in hypothesis, and is referenced in materials on fasting. For the record, while I agree with the practice (and practice fasting a great deal myself when “spiritually” working) but I’m a fan of my MEAT ( ;) pizza. The enjoyment of foods I love is for me a part of the experience of life in the family of physical form beings, or as you referenced yourself
To be with other people, to gaim more knowlage, to have fun, so on so on.
I agree. :) You can have tofu if you wish. I like my pizza ;)


This part
Some of them was sungazing.
And your explanation of the metaphor:
If you sungaze in about 1 hour before it disapear, then UV is about 0. But, you do not have to sungaze, you have only breath propetly, gain tons of energy from universe and have your energetic system in the good condition. Sungazing wakes up some parts of brain making them more active, which help too with our energetic system. If it is more good, more in good way, then it can absorb from universe more energy, and what means you need less food.
I’ve seen some sungaze myself, and I’m familiar with the research. I’m personally glad to note that you consider the practice a metaphor when it comes to the idea of using fasting as a focus. Cool.

The principle of using energy from the “universe” rather than energy gained from death makes sense in the context of your overall theory. It is a step in gaining control of how you can use “energy” to sustain, or augment, bodily functions. But this alone is a tough aspect to master, even Buddha got skinny on his diet. If you are loosing weight, that means that your body is having to use energy reserves to sustain itself. The point of the Buddha story is that he controlled enough to SLOW DOWN is digression and the way his body functioned. Thus meaning ability to "control such". This does not mean, however, that in order to alter the body using the mind you would need to be able to go totally without food. In other words, Buddha started eating again afterward (Still recommending pizza, just FYI :) ). The point is to learn to control it consciously.

If someone has mastery over how the energy is used within the bodily system, I agree that it may be possible to alter the cellular programming to stop or reverse physical signs of aging. But this means this change would, I think need to be deeper than simply in the glands which contribute to aging.
In my opinion and as far I researched, there are some blockades in people body that makes death, but when person's fluids from glands, which are places of chacras, are in good form, then that blockades are blocked. They do not work.
I can understand where you are getting your theory from, but I think the concept needs to be more more nuanced.I would recommend research into other areas to broaden the scope.
In my opinion, if body is not hurt a lot, when glands are fully working in correct way, when person have knowlage how to manipulate reality then where is very big possibility that he can gain phisical immortality.
Aging and death are a part of the cellular makeup. While the glands can assist in the “slowness” (ie vitality, etc) of aging, this is still not on a deep enough level to lead to actual physical "immortality" or greatly increased longevity (due to aging, injury etc are other issues, btw).

Before attempting this magical experiment, I would recommend that you do more research into biology, particularly the process of “aging” on the cellular level (particularly where the genetic switches are and what they cause). Theoretically, if you can 1) control the physical body on a cellular level to “feed it” then it may be possible to alter the genetic code of the cell so that when it reproduces the “fix” multiplies with it and gradually replaces the old cells. But again this is just theory.

Overall, awesome, magic research idea! [yay]

PS
Most of them are inside of underground cages and usues they abilities to see what is up.
I think the word you are looking for is "caves". That they are inside their metaphorical "caves" and use their abilities to interact. ;)

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:39 am
by LordAnayami
ne1 wrote:I wouldn’t call your thread an Assumption, to mention your use of English. You have what we call a Hypothesis. Still I think I am understanding where the ideas are going, and will rephrase some of them for clarity in the reply. If from your understanding, I misinterpreted anything, please correct me.

Yes, you are right :D

Overall, interesting research path in magic. Your hypothesis is supported in ancient and mystical literature. The most common “aftermath” in such stories is not them hanging around but going elsewhere (Flying off on firey wheels and the like), so I can see how you have connected the two together in your last post.

Not only ancient, but nowadays philosophy too (for example Gregg Braden).
LordAnayami wrote: He should at first turn intro vegetarian, then vegan, and at the end he should "eat" cosmic energy. I have read that many people gained ability to feed only on energy. Some of them was sungazing.
I fault, however, the logic of the progression. By this it is somehow “better” to be killing plants than it is to kill animals… Yeah, no. Death is death. You are still killing something else to suck the “energy” off of it. If you think about it in terms of “moralistic” standards of ingesting death every time you eat a carrot, humans would be lower on the scale than a mosquito. At least it lets it’s victims live… Basically, by this logic it is “better” to only be killing plants to survive. (Cause, you know, fuck those plants. ALL GREEN VEGETABLES MUST DIE!! MUAHAHA!! ;) ). While I understand the principles, the logic and thus the path, would, I think, need some adjustment..

Eating meet is very unhealthy. Our body do not fast enough destroy it into small pieces, so it is transpoted to bowel still in some parts. That parts are slowly roting and produce toxins. That toxins are transported to all parts of organism causing illnesses. But if you eat fruits and vegetables they are faster destroyed and they help better our organism. But still eating vegetables is killing. But if you need less and less material energy then you kill less. Slowly if your energetical system is more cleaned and chackras are opened then you eat less, because you gain more needed energy from uniwerse. It's like in the libra(scale, waga, item to weight things), you have 2 systems (energetical and alimentary) and if the second is more gaining energy then you use less food from outside. I forgot to write that after vegan you only drink juices and then water, and then nothing.
LordAnayami wrote: I have read that many people gained ability to feed only on energy.
This is legit in hypothesis, and is referenced in materials on fasting. For the record, while I agree with the practice (and practice fasting a great deal myself when “spiritually” working) but I’m a fan of my MEAT ( ;) pizza. The enjoyment of foods I love is for me a part of the experience of life in the family of physical form beings, or as you referenced yourself

Personally i dislike meat, when I was young I only liked pork Chops, but now I disslike all types of meet. I only eat them when I'm at home with mum. At studies I usually eat fruits, nuts, musli and sometimes vegetables. I try to stop eating jung food and sweets too. But about fasting, I think that doing it helps too on gaining immortality. Because it helps to detox bodies and learn body to use more energetical system than alimentary.


If someone has mastery over how the energy is used within the bodily system, I agree that it may be possible to alter the cellular programming to stop or reverse physical signs of aging. But this means this change would, I think need to be deeper than simply in the glands which contribute to aging.

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Aging and death are a part of the cellular makeup. While the glands can assist in the “slowness” (ie vitality, etc) of aging, this is still not on a deep enough level to lead to actual physical "immortality" or greatly increased longevity (due to aging, injury etc are other issues, btw).

Before attempting this magical experiment, I would recommend that you do more research into biology, particularly the process of “aging” on the cellular level (particularly where the genetic switches are and what they cause). Theoretically, if you can 1) control the physical body on a cellular level to “feed it” then it may be possible to alter the genetic code of the cell so that when it reproduces the “fix” multiplies with it and gradually replaces the old cells. But again this is just theory.

I belive that if you learn your subconscious that death is inlogical, that you want to feed on energy and do fasting, that you want phisical immortality, then it can automaticly deactivete death codes in dna, it can manually do that work, what you poited before.


PS
Most of them are inside of underground cages and usues they abilities to see what is up.
I think the word you are looking for is "caves". That they are inside their metaphorical "caves" and use their abilities to interact. ;)
Yes, I made mistake, I wanted write caves, than cages, but somehow I wrote wrong :D Thx for finding it.

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:46 am
by ne1
Eating meet is very unhealthy. Our body do not fast enough destroy it into small pieces, so it is transpoted to bowel still in some parts. That parts are slowly roting and produce toxins. That toxins are transported to all parts of organism causing illnesses. But if you eat fruits and vegetables they are faster destroyed and they help better our organism.
I'm not denying the health benefits :) or even that the practice of them wouldn't assist in the actual magical experiment. I just like "junk food" and so choose another way. :)

Therefore I agree, as you say, it may help in focusing the will. I would also agree that the stages of the practice that you outline may assist others in helping them focus their will. I would only object to the idea that it is *necessary.*
I belive that if you learn your subconscious that death is inlogical, that you want to feed on energy and do fasting, that you want phisical immortality, then it can automaticly deactivete death codes in dna, it can manually do that work, what you poited before.
Again, I agree with the principles, such is similar to the idea that magical manifestation is brought about through Will and Imagination. Well, yeah, but that's really vague.... That is a *theory* that guides a process not a process itself. I've seen this concept a lot actually, like if you just believe enough you can somehow implant the "command" for everything to just "automatically" do something or that by focusing enough Will things will just "automatically" work out.

Magical manifestation takes a number of things to work, one of which is IMAGINATION. That is the language through which your mind and Mind can speak to each other. When you think of things as "Automatic" you are not able to IMAGINE the process (in a way that would work within the realms of "natural" development else it isn't going to work either). If you want your mind to be able to communicate with your mind you would, I think, need to know how the process actually works on a biochemical and genetic level that way your mind has a language to begin communicating. If you want to use will and imagination to cancel the "death codes" you would, I think, first need to know what they are and how they work in the process of aging.

Again, just to be clear, I like the idea. I hope you keep working on the theories and design experiments for it. I'd be interested in the results. I'm simply recommending additional research on the theories before you progress too far on attempts so that you are not relying on the magic to somehow "magically" work out on it's own.

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:07 am
by Ramscha
Eating meet is very unhealthy. Our body do not fast enough destroy it into small pieces, so it is transpoted to bowel still in some parts. That parts are slowly roting and produce toxins. That toxins are transported to all parts of organism causing illnesses. But if you eat fruits and vegetables they are faster destroyed and they help better our organism.
Again I must disagree. The normal human diggestion apparatus doesn´t let the vegetable rot inside you because you go to the toilett before it starts to rot. There are no toxins built before (except you ate something toxic before). Also the big bowl does not take up nutriens anymore, he just takes up water (except the cooperating bacteria in the bowl which still do some diggestion processes) Also fruits and vegetables are not "faster destroyed". They just pass faster because you can´t diggest big parts of them (depending on their containig amout of ruffage). The human diggestion apparatus normally needs more time for meat because he can get out more of it. Animal proteins are much more cooperative and easier to take up and use then plant proteins. Only problem is the fat in the meat because it takes very long to break down the fatty acids. But still in a healthy diggestion system those additional hours in comparison to vegetables/fruits do no general harm if you keep your diet balanced (that was a very short summery of course, the whole topic is much more complex then that).

I agree with ne1 that it would maybe be helpful for you to get your basic facts about biology and how your organism exactly works before going into deeper research of physical immortality. Genetics would be a keyword for you I think [happy]

Ramscha

Re: My belives (assumptions) about gaining immortality.

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:21 am
by Asurendra
The hominids from which we are descended adapted to eat meat to have a broader diet so they could survive and thrive in a difficult environment. This greater source of protein not only made them successful in that, but also gave us the brain we have. We exist because of meat eaters.