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Hirandall wrote:Ok the main reason I ask this is because I have magical thinking OCD(afraid of things getting cursed) but it almost solved,but there is one part of my worry that i am not so sure of that is there is one time I focus and say in my mind anything related to rituals effective forever(and i do this ritual sort of thing almost every day last spring but without the word forever while i trying to seek answer to beat my ocd),by rituals actually I mean it is sort of ocd ritual if not mistaken where I say in my mind such and such are not cursed or somehting like that and maybe imagined some vortex of energy etc.,black energy breaking down etc. after it,the thing is how will anything related be interpreted?Could be possibly mean the curse or curse effect ?I am a bit worried about it,Because while I know its probably just an ocd ritual not a magickal one,but I don;t know what is difference between it and direct magick other than direct magick takes more skill and I have read of people curse things for example Busby's chair?

Basically do you think it could backfire or anything?

First off, slow down and breathe. You have a string of sentences that run into each other. This also reflects, based on what I’ve seen of your experiences and writings style thus far, that you mind is also not enjoying the stops.

Interestingly enough, that is the lesson overall. To enjoy the stops. To find stillness in the periods and commas of your thoughts and the world around you. From the sounds of it, you do not have enough power access yet (if you ever will, who knows) to cause much damage, so the choice is yours.

As far as the fear thing goes, your thoughts are controlling you (causing you to fear doing things accidentally among other things) and not you your thoughts you race through the pauses. If you can control your mind, you can begin to control your magic and continue on this path, if not, you will remain as you are or revert. It’s a choice. But it is a choice you would need to make with a focused mind, and this you do not yet have based on your thoughts communicated and your language usage.

In essence the moral of the story is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSN5TPKMJ24

But to do that, you would need to accept responsibility for your own mind. By your language you are not doing this:

afraid of things GETTING cursed

In addition, you ask about direct magic, imply you are afraid you are doing it accidentally

Could be possibly mean the curse or curse effect ?

Basically do you think it could backfire or anything?

You have also researched enough and asked enough on here to know that Direct Magic is “Pure” will and imagination. Yet in the same paragraph that you worry about this (actually the same sentence but who’s counting) you deny it’s possibility.

I am a bit worried about it,Because while I know its probably just an ocd ritual not a magickal one

You talk about “accidentally” causing curses but do not know your own mind…. Have you figured out yet what you have not yet seen about yourself by your actions (reflected in your obsession on the topic)? Think about it… We’ll come back to that one later.

and maybe imagined some vortex of energy etc.,black energy breaking down etc.

Blackened energy, indeed, considering what you are manifesting… pft. I have seen such out there in my own work…. Pft…. But if it is “breaking down” it can mean cleaning yourself up “energetically” speaking a bit. I would recommend you take control of this visualization and get clean.

Mind magic is the magic of using the imagination to program the conscious and subconscious, and with awareness, the ability to manifest. At this phase of the game, you are talking about programming your subconscious during meditation and the like to “clean up” itself. Thus would mean, however, facing the self, including the darkness of the self, which means a lot of psychological work. This same thing goes for using OCD “ritual” to program self (I’ve already acknowledged that I use driving in the car as a time to “hold meetings” with spirits. Other things are done during the shower. You can use hand motions or positions. Or do it all in your mind. It is not formal ritual, but “ritual behavior”, behavior done with routine, can also be used magic as a means of controlling focus.

but I don;t know what is difference between it and direct magick other than direct magick takes more skill er than direct magick takes more skill

To clarify. Yes and no. The whole point is that everyone is already doing it all the time. The majority of people are just doing it on a subconscious level. It takes skill to control manifestation, no matter what path you go by to get there (cough, cough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSN5TPKMJ24 )

but it almost solved

Alright then. But here’s a hint for the future…. If you are afraid of “accidentally” cursing things, quit thinking about curses at all.

I can read in your more recent posts that you at least seem more lucid and less panicky. But you still have much work to do. Go enjoy the pauses (and don’t forget to eat pizza). Go see yourself, then perhaps you can control manifestation…

[Once again, I want to say to you a big ole Pft for “accidentally” cursing people…. “Control, control, you must learn control”. Pft.]

So do you think there are any curses or anything?Actually my worries start with law of attraction plus magical thinking intrusive thoughts,I keep on researching and read about magick,and to make my rituals more convincing to myself,I incorporated stuffs like imagining energy etc. while researching for an answer.Basically I have no intention of learning and using magick,just that last spring around march to june I did something(daily?) that seems a bit like magick to supposedly destroy curses to calmed me down while I am finding an answer to it.Then I am a bit worried because what if i did not state my intentions accurately and is misintepreted,and lately I read about void of course moon,could it backfire if I done it on those times?

By the way about black and red energy I just sort of imagine it combined a s a globe and then enclosed inside a gold container and explode,with gold particles enclosing the black ones,something like that and earlier on I imagined some sort of vortex of energy after I done my mental rituals.

I mean Direct enegy is PURE will but could a more messy will from me have any effect?Or is it like comparing throwing a dagger to throwing a dough?

Hirandall wrote:So do you think there are any curses or anything? ....

I see that my statement:

But here’s a hint for the future…. If you are afraid of “accidentally” cursing things, quit thinking about curses at all.

was ignored in practice. Before you ask another question, I recommend that you go back and look again at what has already been said. You have missed a lot of that message up there. (Note: part of mentally pausing is being able to "listen" ).

I didn't want you to think you were being ignored for now, so am replying. I'll answer more questions on this topic at some point, but for now I'm just going to say "See above". Good luck to you.

Well,what about void of course moon?Plus anything else to add?Actually last time when all the ocd things that I am worried about are on some other people,I couldn't remember properly but I suspect I said something in my mind that I prefer to be the victim or something.
http://thefoolspeaks.com/showthread.php?t=5094&page=3

Sorry if I missed something from your message,but are you saying by thinking there is no curse,that is all I need to do?

You're just feeding it energy by obsessing over it. It's a vicious cycle that you're caught in, and trying to stop it you're just feeding it more with your focus. The best I could advise at this time is to free yourself from the cycle by starving it, put your attention elsewhere and let it go. If anything is in motion it's best to let it run it's course and ignore it, otherwise you're just scrambling to stop it and letting it snowball. Try not to worry about it, relax, clear your head and try to let go. Specifically "let go", trying to force yourself not to think about it will just make you think about it more.

Since you appear to have some OCD going on, if you find yourself having trouble letting go of the thoughts, you could use something to divert your attention and represent a shift in focus within your thoughts. Essentially like when long time smokers try to quit and need to find something to occupy their hands or mouth to avoid the habit.

Whatever the case you have to stop letting it take control, if it didn't have the energy to cause anything initially the fixation on it will only feed it and increase the risk. If you can stop the cycle or take focus off of it then it should start to wane.

As far as the punishment rituals and various methods of atonement, generally those are for making penance after the fact, they're not going to negate the cycle and with your OCD they might just keep fueling it. They can be used to train oneself not to do things, or to offer compensation, but considering the situation that's probably not the way to go. Better off with positive reinforcement anyway, just try to let go of it if you want to stop it.

It's not as easy to do as it is to say, naturally you'll find the thoughts surfacing and trying to instigate again, you just have to be able to keep them from taking control. Keep at it and keep your head clear until things die down. There are a lot of methods you can use to relax and clear your mind. Try that and let everything play out, just don't let it provoke or spook you into starting it up all over again. I feel that is the best course of action for these circumstances.

After you get everything straightened out, if you find you still have interest in magic, approach it when you have a clear head and this is off your plate.

What about the things I said above your post?

I see no relation between void of course moon and direct magic (unless you will there to be). I'm not sure what else you feel was not answered. Could you please rephrase the questions?

About last year there is a period where I suspect I wished myself to be the victim than the other person(the OCD at that point is about worrying about curse on another person).And I caught my own angry thoughts that try to curse myself(I am not sure why) a few times and stopped them,now these could be false memories : in a nutshell I worried that I probably wished myself to be the target instead although I don't have any clear memory of it but there could be random thoughts of" I rather be the victim" sort of things.

Hirandall wrote:About last year there is a period where I suspect I wished myself to be the victim than the other person(the OCD at that point is about worrying about curse on another person).And I caught my own angry thoughts that try to curse myself(I am not sure why) a few times and stopped them,now these could be false memories : in a nutshell I worried that I probably wished myself to be the target instead although I don't have any clear memory of it but there could be random thoughts of" I rather be the victim" sort of things.

Alright. I think I understand more of the situation. What do you want to know?

So regarding that specific thing I mentioned is there any danger because I might have intention?Plus,anything else you want to tell me about it?

That and a few years ago,I cursed(the layman sort of curse not those done by people practising magick) in my heart someone when I am very angry,then I was thinking whether the curse would reflect back to me?My magical thinking involve this issue as well,which means I did worry about if something he does would cause any curse to something to me.

Hirandall wrote:So regarding that specific thing I mentioned is there any danger because I might have intention?

Nope. It takes more than just that to do any kind of magic.

So basically wishing is useless?
Btw,what about the thing about any possibility of curse reflecting back?

And btw about my ocd rituals could they backfire because maybe I might not have specify my words inside my brain properly?You get what I mean?Sometimes I just say in my mind something like rituals from some day to another day effective,and what if that ritual is misinterpreted?Would it cause it to snowball?Sorry if I asked too much questions.

Anyone?

The only way it could be misinterpreted is if you misinterpreted it yourself.. is that what you meant?

I mean in my mind I use phrases such as anything related to rituals effective,which seems kinda vague,anything related to is quite broad right?

I'm afraid you have to explain what you mean a bit more, I'm not understanding it.. use an example?

I use phrases such as anything related to rituals/rituals' effects effective,by rituals I mean mental sort of ritual I done last time to sort of cleanse any curse if there is any that i made it up,so later on I worried about how does anything related to rituals/rituals" effects are interpreted?could it mean curse as well?Then I try to cancel it out in my mind and later on might try to restore the part I want or something ,can't remember accurately.

I'm sorry, but could you please write an example of what you mean? I don't understand what you mean by too much of it to even guess. Or somebody native english might understand, this is my second language after all.

Hmmm,I am not exactly sure how to explain to you right now,I think it is a bit complicated to explain it.

btw,ne1 are you still here?Do you think there is any risk for example if something that suppose to curse something but probably won't happen(the first few examples I gave one,but what you mean is everything is safe right?) sort of came in contact or involve in the thing that I might or might not have wished or just randomly thought of being the victim instead of another person?

Hirandall wrote:Hmmm,I am not exactly sure how to explain to you right now,I think it is a bit complicated to explain it.

Notice how people are having trouble understanding you? Remember the pauses. ^^

Hirandall wrote:btw,ne1 are you still here?

I was offline (Life happens) and am back. While it was good that you spoke with others (there are many paths to understand on here), it would seem your mind is still moving faster than your communication. Think slow, chillin. No worries. The previous poster may have insight into your situation if you can explain to him/her what is going on. There was kindness in trying to understand, to call me back by name does not, I think, acknowledge their efforts to assist.

Hirandall wrote:Do you think there is any risk for example if something that suppose to curse something but probably won't happen(the first few examples I gave one,but what you mean is everything is safe right?)

Basically, yeah. "Accidents" can happen, and maybe you had one (this would need more analysis to tell for sure). But they are rarely repeated as such. If you did indeed have an accident then the solution is to learn from it. What you learn is up to you, but if you don't learn then the common idea is that the universe teaches.

Hirandall wrote:sort of came in contact or involve in the thing that I might or might not have wished or just randomly thought of being the victim instead of another person?

If you mean calling back said "curse" then yes, you could have brought it on yourself. This does not mean it was "magic" (meaning pure will and imagination, without physical or psychological cause). In most cases the calling back of a curse on oneself is psychosomatic. In other words the person thinks something will happen so they subconsciously act in a way to make it happen.

The typical novice thing to do at this point would be to object and say it "wasn't psychological" and "wasn't in their head." Perhaps it is and perhaps it isn't; the point is if you actually want to control the practice of any magic you would need to seriously consider the possibility. Think about it this way. If you want to be good at playing the guitar, it does no good to practice basketball.

So in sum, no, there is nothing to worry about with your experiences. And again my advice is for the time period, leave the subject and the concerns alone. Don't think about them for a while. When one day you realize it has been a while since anything about it entered your mind, then it may be time to think about it again. But if you do not get away from it (thus ending the OCD pattern of thoughts) then you will not be able to get perspective to be able to grow.

Ok,what about this one?

Hirandall wrote:That and a few years ago,I cursed(the layman sort of curse not those done by people practising magick) in my heart someone when I am very angry,then I was thinking whether the curse would reflect back to me?My magical thinking involve this issue as well,which means I did worry about if something he does would cause any curse to something to me.

This is a belief system. The Wicaans would call it the law of three, others would call it Karma, others would call it self-fulfilling prophesy manifesting subconsciously most likely from guilt feelings, still others would say it was all three. There is also the other view that there is nothing outside of this form and wouldn't think there was anything at all. It depends on what you believe.

Since you are asking the question, and thus put the two ideas together already, what you are describing would be essentially this:



Just keep in mind Karma is the cosmic teacher. Once the lesson is learned, there is no reason for karma to continue the instruction. It is then time to move on to the next lesson and the next phase. The question would then be: what have you learned?

Hi,thanks for replying and sorry for bothering you again:

Regarding your previous post, what do you mean by "typical novice thing" and " Perhaps it is and perhaps it isn't" ?When you say there is nothing worry about my experience ,you mean just go and do whatever that I suspect might be cursed because the only potential problem is psychosomatic and it is negligible ?And what do you mean by accident?