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Assume that you cast a spell or performed a ritual which gave you significant results.
For example a binding spell which kept someone from causing you harm by their actions.
It worked great! Awesome!
Assume this person to be someone who is a permanent part of your life and the spell was something to redirect their chaos back towards them rather than their family.
Not as a curse, just a binding or their destructive behavior to them.
Kind of like wishing someone upon themselves while putting them in a confinement of their own making.
Is this something that needs to be reinforced over time or should it be considered permanent?
If it needs to be bolstered from time to time how often and how should it be done?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Most workings like this should be repeated over time. It. would be difficult to tell exactly how often to repeat them would be a hard question to answer without fully knowing the situation you are in. How often you interact with the person should generally have something to do with it.

You mentioned that this person is a permanent part of your life. Again, I don't really know the situation but maybe you should just talk to them about it and ask them to stop doing whatever (IF that's a possibility). I was just thinking that that would probably be easier.
-Alex

Thank you.
In a perfect world that would be best.
[clown]

Assume this person to be someone who is a permanent part of your life and the spell was something to redirect their chaos back towards them rather than their family.
Not as a curse, just a binding or their destructive behavior to them.
Kind of like wishing someone upon themselves while putting them in a confinement of their own making.

That's playing with words and making justifications for baneful acts. I don't personally think there's anything wrong with the above but that is more than a simple binding. That is also retaliating and 'teaching them a lesson' with no chance for it to be learned. By binding their destructive behavior to them you keep them in a state of self destruction.

Don't kid yourself - the confinement is not of THEIR making - it is of YOURS - by doing the binding in that manner.

I don't really care what people do but look at the actions honestly and take full responsibility for the magical acts that you do. It's one thing to fool other people - it's a totally different thing to fool yourself.

Is this something that needs to be reinforced over time or should it be considered permanent?
If it needs to be bolstered from time to time how often and how should it be done?

There is no set answer to this. It depends on your own magical strength and ability. Whether or not you want it to be permanent (and that is decades or a lifetime).

The other thing to consider with a working of this nature, especially if you plan to bolster it with further workings, is that you are binding yourself to this destructive person. If you don't know how to cut the strands between you - you're keeping it in your life without even realizing it.

When I do a binding - I have no need of reinforcing it later. A lot of times it's not permanent as people do change and grow and when the conditions are met the binding will lift. The other thing to consider is how to power the binding without it requiring your own personal energy to maintain. Think of it like a light attached to a solar panel. You could hold the power cord and let the electricity flow through you to light the light OR you could attach it to a solar panel and let the sun power it. If there is a specific act that you find reprehensible enough to do the above binding you can power it through that specific act. Each time it's repeated the binding reinforces itself. If that behavior stops then eventually the binding will fade since it's power source has ended. Doing a working in such a way allows the person to learn and grow instead of being forced to remain the same.

Another thought about bindings - depending upon how tightly someone is bound - it can completely stop them from learning and growing. They become stuck in the place they were at. Imagine a 70 year old woman who behaves like a spiteful 6 year old. She was bound too tight in an effort to save her from herself but the help also hurt in ways that were never considered.

People think bindings are no big deal but they can seriously fuck with a persons entire life. Do you truly want to take the full weight of that responsibility? It'll be yours to answer for some day. The best advice I can give is to really and truly think about long term consequences before working magic. We can never think of all of them but we can honestly weigh our decisions without playing word games to rationalize them.

Basmu wrote: Assume this person to be someone who is a permanent part of your life and the spell was something to redirect their chaos back towards them rather than their family.

You are playing 'god' but go ahead.

The spell will not only 'last', but escalate!

The whole situation will compound and when next you next cast the 'spell' in order for the 'effect' to remain similar as to potency, you will have to 'escalate' said 'spell'; eventually to the point of 'squaring' your effective spell.

Then it swirls round a deeper spin...
...a comely vortex in the making

I do not believe I wish to tell you anymore just now. It is just such a 'marvelous' open door...

I learned so much from such activities myself you see.

Kind regards,

Really what I am trying to achieve is constructive guidance because all more 'mundane' efforts have failed.
This after many years of trying everything else I could think of.
We punish or reward based upon behavior and this is just another means to an end.
Just so happens this puts the rod and the cookie in the hands of the recipient.
Very fair and compassionate I would think. We should all be visited upon ourselves.
I personally feel no more karmic or moral responsibility for a binding then for sending someone to prison for their actions.
Which does not mean I do not feel any responsibility, just no more.
This binding bound them to rapidly feel the effects of THEIR actions while protecting others from the fallout as best as possible.
It was reflective and good reflects as was as bad and the choose is theirs, just like obeying the law or breaking it.
As for morality, putting a pet to sleep is also playing God but sometimes the most considerate and compassionate thing to do.
I have done so and did not feel good about it any more that I feel good about doing this.
It broke my heart to do so because it pains me to have to do any corrective action that causes pain.
But part of being an adult is making a hard decision and accepting the cost of doing so.
Idle hands are the devils workshop and good intentions pave the way to hell, so it seams I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't. [neutral]
All action, even benign or good intentioned is an imposition on anthers path and a violation of the Prime Directive. [devil]
My question was about maintaining something that seemed to be working well and healing a family.
This abusive addict has finally personally suffered their own actions and is trying to change.
I am simply enjoying finally seeing hope and some light at the end of the tunnel for a family in need and am desirous to keep it going.
If I must suffer some blow back it is a matter of physics, that being equal and opposite forces, not some moral law.
I understand I pulled the trigger and am willing to accept that.
If it puts meat on the table of my starving family I gladly accept the karma and I do thank you for your suggestions and input.

Hello again,

I intervene much as you have outlined, even lately and near always with telling results. Lots of study and practice.

There is 'physics' involved however.

I will simply share some of my own ways and you pick and chose as you please.

1. Take no solace in appearances of 'success'.
2. Once in command you are always 'on watch'.
3. Study up much and often.
4. Every appearance no matter its seeming is opportunity to apply 'fire'.
5. Keep to silence and unfold Self.
6. You can always invoke a higher principle IF you own that principle already.
7. Relax, 'change is our friend he takes us where we desire or design'.

I have hundreds like this if not thousands collected and experimented with.
Tomorrow I am sure to have two more, each day is that way.

Kind regards,

I will chew on your suggestions.
Any chance you could elucidate a bit on point 4?
Thank you for your time and consideration!

Hi again,

"4. Every appearance no matter its seeming is opportunity to apply 'fire'."

What I have noticed is how frequently, affairs once dealt with are brought round to ones attention. This aphorism addresses that.

In a 'etheric world' which I sense are far more common than an earth-plane; cycles of existence appear and disappear based almost 'solely' by conjuring or the 'love of ones attending', usually though by collective effort. Noting that an earth-plane is an denser overlay upon same scheme or principle, then 'fire' is ones' attention. Upon any opportunity of appearance, including 'hearsay' apply 'fire' of the ideal or spell. Thereby 'layering' etheric inner girding which gives rise or pattern to physical experience.

This can collect and strengthen ones world stronger and more sure than any steel girding used here for buildings.

Kind regards,

If I understand, your saying what we pour our energy into is what we manifest into the earth plane?
So watch what I pay attention to and add Fire to those things I wish to be and dismiss those I wish to dispel?
Am I on the right tract here?
Thanks!

Yes exactly,

What you imagine and intend builds up a 'sub-structure' ethereally upon which all circumstance hangs. That is why a magician does consider 'appearances', except as an 'excuse' of inspiration be/being what you intent/are anyway.

The English language is somewhat clumsy as pertains to metaphysical logic. Meditating on 'symbols' where you focus on ideal or archetype is most effective. Such as found in ANY well thought out scheme.

Take any symbol or make any symbol and invest your soul-fire with it and that will work 'magick'. Some call these 'sigils'.

Kind regards,

You completely missed my point.

Basmu wrote: My question was about maintaining something that seemed to be working well and healing a family.

Well if the end goal is to heal a family, then why don't you heal the family directly?

RoseRed is right, you're likely teaching a lesson that won't be learned. In addition, it has great potential to harm this person- whether that's your intention or not. This is not your only option and since family, the people you care about are involved, you should take a step back and look at the possible negative outcomes. There are plenty of other ways to approach fixing this problem. The situation you are in is serious and you should treat it as such by examining other, less potentially harmful methods.

-Alex

Alex and Red Rose,
All other methods I could think of were tried.
I am not a quitter, which is part of what make me a effective tool for change.
I know my ability to endure and am a rock amongst croutons!
Tenacious to a fault and only softened by mine generous and most humble nature.
Hail me! [yay] (Look, I'm laughing at me and hope you can do the same.)
Much as it may make you feel superior, I was not asking for a moral viewpoint from high atop Mt. Self-Righteous cast down dimly through thunderheads of brimstone and, well, you get the point.
Beware that first step, by the way, its a doozy! [smile]
In fact, Satan made that same trip upon a time, so they say.
The left and right, liberal and conservative moral compass shall never align as the wise recon!
Thus the wise avoid casting judgement where they are ill equipped or improperly informed to judge, lest they be deemed judgmental.
Such a thing have I myself have never suffered.
That being said, (tongue wedged deep in cheek I shall add before you get all worked up) , I was asking for something completely different, so it was you perhaps who missed the point of this entire question.
Sometime a 'healing' requires removal of the tumor.
I learned that on You Tube I think.
I was inquiring about perpetuating good effects and you seem to misunderstand that things have been going great for all of us.
The 'target' of the spell included.
I simply wished to continue what has been an effective 'healing' without a separation of the parties involved.
This is not about trying to contain good, I am trying to contain evil, as it were.
Sorry if I did not get my point across, sometimes its easy to know what you meant to say and not say what you meant.
As for moral inventory, I take one daily and most people who honestly do judge their own actions are slow to judge others.
I suffer my own pangs of guilt about many things, because I am honest about my reasons, but I am not afraid to do the hard thing when it seems necessary.
Personally, I am glad we had Patton rather than Gandhi during WWII and that should help you with understanding my moral compass.
Yet once again, the question was not about 'should I have' it was about 'how do I continue this good thing'.
Do you really think I want to continue something harmful?
Thats insanity.
Best wishes.

Sorry for the above rant but if a carpenter on a carpentry forum told me to fix my roof with a spell before using a hammer I would have rightly chastised him as well.
If said carpenter informed me I should never have lifted said hammer to fixed the roof I would have suspected they had never suffered a leaky roof and were enjoying the warmth of a cottage maintained by another.
This is an occult form for Christ's sake and telling me I should have used the hammer and not the spell is figgin silly.
To assume I did not first pursue all workable mundane solutions which were at my disposal is an unjustified grope in the dark meant to slap someone asking a question.
You never asked, you assumed and we tend to travel the path we know, which is telling.
Confucius say, "Those who fart in oven should asbestos pants be wearing."

Of course I don't think that you are trying to harm anybody, the fact that you're doing this all for family proves that you're a good person. I'm just saying that what you're doing could have unintended consequences. You don't want this person to suffer, but that doesn't mean they won't.

Sure, you didn't ask for "a moral viewpoint from high atop Mt. Self-Righteous cast down dimly through thunderheads of brimstone", but you did ask for thoughts on the subject. [wink]

-Alex

'unintended consequences' is 'escalation' and normal. Once in the game you plan for it. This is the classic 'growth' opportunity, for now the 'fun' truly begins.

Escalation however, follows out patterns and these too bring more opportunities for mastery. Are there that many planets right now in this universe to practice wizardry?

Enjoy this long lingering moment... (note to self, place mirror here)

Kind regards all,

True, I did and thank you.
I felt a bit judged for trying to help someone in a last ditch effort and let it emotionally impale me.

Thats for the suggestions, I'm just enjoying the 180 degree change back to the saneness we once had and fear the other boot crashing down.

Most of my past workings war fire and forget.

This is something that may need bolstering and that is where my confusion and concern lies.

How to keep the healing and sanity, how to keep the 'demons' bound yet allow the person to out so to speak.

And I'm not kidding, demons of one sort or another may be a distinct possibility here, insanity, addiction, madness or something more spiritual.
Whatever it is, it aint good.

Sorry, that last post was a typographic mess.
Its way past my bed time and I'm seeing double.
Thanks and I do appreciate the suggestions.

Who the fuck are you to chastise me? Seriously?

Much as it may make you feel superior, I was not asking for a moral viewpoint from high atop Mt. Self-Righteous cast down dimly through thunderheads of brimstone and, well, you get the point.

This only serves to prove by how much you missed the point that I was making.

I'll make it simple. Be honest with yourself about your choices and actions instead of hiding behind justifications and rationalizations.

And as far as spouting from atop Mt. Self Righteous:

I don't personally think there's anything wrong with the above but that is more than a simple binding.

What you did WAS MORE than a simple binding. I still don't think there's anything wrong with it. Your life - your choice. If saying be honest with yourself is Self Righteous then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

RedRose,
You started the chastisement , I only return the stone you cast from your glass tower.
So to quote someone you obviously feel above reproach,
"Who the fuck are you to chastise me? Seriously?"
Turn about is fair play.
Once again, it is you that missed the point, which is that I never asked for your moral view point.
Moral viewpoints are like assholes.
1: Everyone has one
2: Yours stinks as bad as the next.
3: Mine is exit only, keep your nose out please unless I invite you to insert it.
4: If you keep inserting your noise without invitation you may get a BrownNose to go to with that RedRose. [happyface]

As for your comment.."I'll make it simple. Be honest with yourself about your choices and actions instead of hiding behind justifications and rationalizations."
Perhaps you should check your reasons for assuming you know my workings?
"Making it simple" and assuming me to be dishonest are both attacks as a simple application of elementary social skills would inform you.
You could have ASKED my reasons and suggested I check myself, but no.
Is it possible you find this cruel because if someone wished you upon yourself you would find yourself in a horrid place?
See how I ask rather then inform?
I myself would would be OK with myself, hell, I once spent 5 days mostly in isolation chambers alone in my head.
Very informative, you should try it.
All views are through a lens of our own inner workings and that is why making ill informed, snap judgements on the actions others is more a reflection of ourselves than an statement of truth.
Ten ill informed individuals would give 10 incorrect theories on why Hitler or Stalin did what they did.
Me, I would like to ask them.
Chow.