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Like the title says, how can I craft such things? I know I could do visualization with energy, but I want more bang for my prana. None of that thought form stuff either, I mean like a real physical enchanted items. Or physical 'breathing' entities crafted to my liking. Yes I have a god complex ^_^

So what would this take? Or should I evoke that demon that teaches about the arts? Which I'd still need instructions for.

You don't need a demon, but going to amazon.com and searching for some beginners books are not a bad idea.

But just to clarify, do you want to take an object and make it a magic object, or do you want to create a magical object from nothing and have it manifest in this world?

Desecrated wrote:You don't need a demon, but going to amazon.com and searching for some beginners books are not a bad idea.

But just to clarify, do you want t take an object and make it magic or do you want to create a magical object from nothing and have it manifest in this world?

In regards to amazon, I'm poorer than poor lol. So manifesting money would be nice. Or enchanting my wallet to always be full of 20s when I open it would be nice.

Then there is the creating out of thin air, so both. Like if I want say an apple I want to be able to manefest an apple and really eat it and get nutrience like it was a real apple. But I'd also like to be able to say create a magical collar to put on a submissive that claims to be a succumbs made entirely of magic. Or manefest a wand or ring with special abilities.

But there's also creating a magical creature out of nothing like creating a familiar or something like a house elf. LIKE a house elf. No haters please.

Visrite wrote:

Desecrated wrote:You don't need a demon, but going to amazon.com and searching for some beginners books are not a bad idea.

But just to clarify, do you want t take an object and make it magic or do you want to create a magical object from nothing and have it manifest in this world?

In regards to amazon, I'm poorer than poor lol. So manifesting money would be nice. Or enchanting my wallet to always be full of 20s when I open it would be nice.

Then there is the creating out of thin air, so both. Like if I want say an apple I want to be able to manefest an apple and really eat it and get nutrience like it was a real apple. But I'd also like to be able to say create a magical collar to put on a submissive that claims to be a succumbs made entirely of magic. Or manefest a wand or ring with special abilities.

But there's also creating a magical creature out of nothing like creating a familiar or something like a house elf. LIKE a house elf. No haters please.

Theoretically that would be possible. The only thing you'll need is 10-15 years of hard training and a lot of determination.

With all due respect, though insightful, your comment was not helpful in my self education. Also, I have quite a few years of training and have delt with a couple deamons over the years. That instinctual fear is a pain to get past at first.

For someone who is asking for so much help you really do have a whole lot of attitude.

I just love it when people think they can demand answers and think they should be served up on a silver platter.

The path to true power is paved with blood, sweat, and tears. There is no easy way, only time and perseverance will see the way.

As for how to make magickal items, that's easy. Simply restructure an existing object's internal energy to perform the magickal function you desire. Magickal creatures on the other hand... I'm not even going to hazard a guess. I don't do magick on living things.

If you look to Irish and German lore (I'm sure there's others but I'm unfamiliar with them) you'll find lots of info on house elves and/or brownies and other such beings. They're not created - they're befriended.

RoseRed wrote:If you look to Irish and German lore (I'm sure there's others but I'm unfamiliar with them) you'll find lots of info on house elves and/or brownies and other such beings. They're not created - they're befriended.

Exactly [thumbup]

Understandable. All of you.

My understanding is that you can make an enchantment box, and use it to slowly build up a thought form and charge it to do an effect. Would I be able to use that same process to create a 'living' being?

It appears you miss understand my tone or attitude. I'm attempting to be respectful, as a Dom should. I'm not going to grovel to anyone. I will admit that there are subjects I'm unfamiliar with, or have little experience with. But having a succubus as a lover for a time opens ones eyes a tad more after researching many religions and finding out real life is more like the matrix than you would think. This is my point of view. A mentor would be welcome.

Holographic for the record.

Visrite wrote:Understandable. All of you.

My understanding is that you can make an enchantment box, and use it to slowly build up a thought form and charge it to do an effect. Would I be able to use that same process to create a 'living' being?

It appears you miss understand my tone or attitude. I'm attempting to be respectful, as a Dom should. I'm not going to grovel to anyone. I will admit that there are subjects I'm unfamiliar with, or have little experience with. But having a succubus as a lover for a time opens ones eyes a tad more after researching many religions and finding out real life is more like the matrix than you would think. This is my point of view. A mentor would be welcome.

Holographic for the record.

Perhaps I have misunderstood your tone. What is coming across is that you're asking questions and you're not happy with any answer other than the one your expecting. And that you're expecting it.

I have no idea what a 'Dom' is. I don't know if that will change the meaning of your paragraph or not. No one expects you to grovel.

I'd love to know what you learned from your succubus. That should prove to be interesting.

And yes, you can enchant damn near anything. I don't use Ceremonial Magick for such things.

That's going to depend on what you consider a 'living being'. If you want to create something of flesh and blood out of nothing - it ain't gonna happen. If you want to create an artifical spiritual/energetic intelligence - people do that every day.

A Dom is a Dominent person in the dynamics of interaction, it is where I get my ethics and code of honor. It is a psychological aspect of BDSM. Gentleman and chivalry behavior is what I was taught a proper Dom should convey at all times and in all aspects of life.

A 'living being' is an intelligent being, preferably one that can take physical form. Such as a golem is just a construct, but if given instructions properly as to it having some kind of mind of its own, than it would be a living being.

I'd like to create life, but that's a tick stretching the definition of life. But making an astral construct and willing it into a physical existance with a margin of intelligence and 'free will' to create a race of mystical creatures would be ideal. If I have to eventually create blank clones and seal ethereal constructs into those genetically engineered bodies that is an experiment I will eventually do when my resources allow.

I don't think like others. I also don't expect any of you to catch me if I fall off a cliff like a lemming. But your rationalities and experience are appreciated in attempting to keep me from fate probably worse than death. I also know some of you probably don't care, but you've imparted your knowledge anyway. Thank you.

Please stop. This is not a roleplaying forum.

If you want actual serious advice, on binding spirits into objects, then people here will be more than willing to help you. But please dispense with the DnD. BDSM also does not teach you how to relate to strangers on a discussion board.

I hate to be strong as I'm not a mod or anything like that, and this is the internet so i might have misjudged your tone. I must say though I've seen multiple threads like this you have posted, and every time i feel genuinely inclined to help you I cant get over how insincere your posts sound and how it comes across as playacting.

For example from another one of your posts:

Like I want immortality like highlander, or Daniel Jackson after he accends, or even like that of a god on the physical plane. Forever youthful, forever alive, unkillable, I essentially want to be a god or at least a demigod of some sort.

I'm a stewart of humanity and want to make sure our race doesn't kill itself.

Refer to my comment on roleplaying above.

I am writing an essay on creating familiars / summoning and tying them to doll bodies. I might share it, on my blog or here if it works as expected. Maybe that will be able to help you out if you are serious about working with ensouling spirits into objects.

The comment you linked was in the immortality discussion. This is not acting sir, I'm being very serious about everything I've stated. I cannot see any limitations to how I can effect reality and usually use others observations and opinions to ground myself and put limitations on what I actually try and what order. Such as evoking anything at this point and time would not be the best idea for me until I learn more and grow.

I haven't played DnD for years. I don't even see the connection to that and anything I've discussed except using fiction to describe my desires. Articulation is not my forte.

As for your doll idea I had a similar thought in doing that. But then the horror fan in me goes to the puppet master series and thinks I should ask advice before jumping to that practice. Especially since dolls is a phobia I've been trying to overcome. Feels like a silly phobia now that I'm older, but however extreme I seem I do try to err on the side of caution over loonicy. That's exactly why I'm here searching, reading, and posting. [neutral]

Your spirit box Sypheara is close to an idea I was constructing for a box of enchantment and thought form incubation and programming. Would you mind if I alter your formula a bit for my purposes? Any suggestions are welcome. I've read if you make items out of inorganic material that they will not loose power as fast as a decaeble material. Options? Experiences?

While I think that nothing is totally out of the realm of possibility where magick is concerned, I do think that some things are beyond the reach of us mortal humans. One life time is simply too short to learn everything. What you've asked, how to make a living creature of flesh or stone, is something I would call lost magick. It is written about in some old texts, but even if it was possible once there is simply no one who knows how to do it today. (No one I've ever heard of anyway.) Binding entities to objects is indeed possible, but I think creating new life is stretching the boundaries of what is humanly possible.

Some decent materials for energy workings are metals and crystals as they seem to hold energy best. I've found that even common quartz is often enough for energy working purposes. As for programming, many resources on servitors suggest sigils. Might be worth a look if you're interested.

As for your dom persona, I don't mean any offense, but attempting to have dominance over the people you're requesting help from is counter productive. It is best to take a humble attitude when seeking help as you're less likely to put people off.

So was the Jewish golem just a thought form bound to clay?

Has anyone ever thought about spred their consciousness acrossed say several thought forms? Or is that actual what a thought form basically is?

I don't know anything about the whole BDSM thing or how someone is supposed to behave when interacting with others. What I do know is that the way you come across leaves me much less inclined to answer your questions. That's pretty much the reaction you can expect on occult forums.

Anyways - I think that part of the problem here is that you just asked what a thought form is. You have grand ideas but no basis in which to ground them. If you're serious - start with the basics and learn like the rest of us had to. No one is going to hand it to you on a silver platter. What's more likely is that someone will hand you something similar yet different enough to bite you in the ass to teach you 'a lesson'. I can't tell you how many times I've seen that happen. It's not something that I do but it happens quite often.

You might want to look towards witchcraft instead of Ceremonial Magick.

What Red Rose said.

Thoughtforms have been written about and discussed for a long time, and have made their way into western esotericism through eastern practices. I hate to quote the source of information/disinformation that is wikipedia, but this paragraph does a good job of describing Tulpa.

'The term is used in the works of Alexandra David-Néel, a Belgian-French explorer, spiritualist and Buddhist, who observed these practices in 20th century Tibet. Alexandra wrote that “an accomplished Bodhisattva is capable of effecting ten kinds of magic creations. The power of producing magic formations, tulkus or less lasting and materialized tulpas, does not, however, belong exclusively to such mystic exalted beings. Any human, divine or demoniac being may be possessed of it. The only difference comes from the degree of power, and this depends on the strength of the concentration and the quality of the mind itself.”[10] Alexandra also wrote of the tulpa's ability to develop a mind of its own: “Once the tulpa is endowed with enough vitality to be capable of playing the part of a real being, it tends to free itself from its maker's control. This, say Tibetan occultists, happens nearly mechanically, just as the child, when his body is completed and able to live apart, leaves its mother's womb.”[11] Alexandra claimed to have created a tulpa in the image of a jolly Friar Tuck-like monk which later developed a life of its own and had to be destroyed.[12] Alexandra raised the possibility that her experience was illusory: “I may have created my own hallucination.”'

In my own experience, a thoguhtform that is created that has a physical home or base grows much more rapidly, as it is given a literally body to inhabit. Depending on the materials used in its construction, should ideally be compatible with that thoughtforms type etc, so its necessary to have some clear idea of what the spirit is before you attempt to seat it. You can seat spirits that arnt thoughtforms but that you are in contact with in a similar manner. It is possible to create both a mental and physical body for an existing spirit in the same way you would thoughtforms with some adaption.

If you wish to use any material I upload to my blog, feel welcome, but do realise that I work within a set magical current. It is not possible to simply swap out the spirits / powers involved, and you should have some established groundwork with them if you are to work with them and their sigils, which i mention in the write up. Additionally, i recommend you do not work with the dead before establishing a much greater occult foundation, and have some form of spiritual, discarnate teacher that can provide protected from the attention of shells and larvae which can be drawn to such work. These can be obsessive and cause obsessive dreams, desires etc that need to be controlled and can be very frightening/challenging.

It is also to be noted that some of the ingredients used within that work are very specific to the dead. Feel free to let it inspire you and give you some ideas as to construction of your own boxes, but remember those three key points as they will need careful, considered and respectful adaption. For me to not say that would be disrespectful to the spirits that helped me create my own spirit box and indicated the method to me.

Whilst fiction sometimes contains elements of truth, or subsumed magical folklore, it is best not to base occult expectations or goals based on the profane entertainment industry. Movies games etc are fun, but hardly a representation of the Occult in reality.

Well in my attempt to be respectful and serious I've seemed to have given you all the rub as it were. I feel like you all think 'oh great, another kid who watches too much Hollywood garbage'.

Well I'd like to thank those of you that have provided serious feedback, it has been very helpful especially your links to source material.

I'm not sure if more background about me would be beneficial or even cared for. Most of my works have been from a pagan/energy background and thought only experiments. I've researched all of the major religions and occult category was the last sector to research. From my own perspective I understand the physics behind reality and spirituality. I guess my experiences are my experiences and not common. My use of emoticons may have been taken the wrong way as well.

There's only one question I'd really like an answer for at this time I haven't asked, and no this has nothing to do with Johnny. Has anyone read material or seen the man in black? An elderly figure all dressed in black, top hat, cane, day suit, with red eyes? I've always noticed spirits seem to watch me from afar but this one has stood out like a sore thumb, like he wanted me to notice him where as all the others hide, or they seem to try and hide.

That sounds almost like the description of several entities or Exu within the school of Quimbanda, but its something i only have academic knowledge of, not practical. So i wouldn't like to say its x or y, but its worthy of investigation if you are seeing this entity regularly.

Most of my works have been from a pagan/energy background and thought only experiments. I've researched all of the major religions and occult category was the last sector to research. From my own perspective I understand the physics behind reality and spirituality.

Lumping everything not a major religion into one category of occult is incorrect. Occult simply means 'hidden' or 'secret', and is an umbrella term for MANY different beliefs and practices. Chaos Magick could be rated Occult, Traditional Witchcraft Occult, Gnostic Satanism Occult, Laveyan Satanism Occult etc and each one have very, very different teachings. Even within those categories beliefs and practices can vary wildly. Pagan is also a catch all term, given by christians to all non christian beliefs at the time where the church held majority power, so it also specifies very little. The Neopagan reclaiming of the term is one for convenience only, a mask.

It is more your references to examples from movies etc and lack of demonstrating what your previous knowledge was that got peoples, including my own ill admit, backs up. On occult forums you do get a certain subsection that dont take the subject seriously, usually because they are of a young age and have been introduced to it through pop cultural references rather than stringent, diligent reading and personal revelation. People are loathe to help such people out when they approach them in an overly assertive manner, and especially when they introduce references to shows from pop culture. So maybe people got the wrong end of the stick at that.

Pagan for me includes Druidic,runes, voodoo, hoodoo, neopagan, Wiccan, shamanic. Off the top of my head.

Christianity, nuff said.

Occult for me started with LeVay and would include anything involving ancient rituals especially those involving 'evil' workings or 'deamons' like with Solomon, sumarian, Egyptian.

Major religions not including Christianity would be jewdism, Muslim, Budism, Hindu, etc.

Tribal includes things mainly from Africa, and native American cultures.

Then there's the mythologies of Norse, roman, and Greek.

I have 20 years studying and cross referencing and my option is that occultist know more about the inner workings of reality than most, but things such as ritual, prayer, and thought have a basis in scientific reality and the ancient practices and traditions have a much higher effect than any Christian or modern teaching.

That's a rather sweeping generalization.

I have come across devout Christians that were very powerful. There are plenty of pagans and occultists that choose theurgy because it works for them.

RoseRed wrote: I have come across devout Christians that were very powerful.

That's intresting. Do you concider them unconcious mages, or are describing something else?

manofsands wrote:

RoseRed wrote: I have come across devout Christians that were very powerful.

That's intresting. Do you concider them unconcious mages, or are describing something else?

Every time I go to a Christian church i feel like all my energy is getting taken from me. My cousin is a pretty strong Mormon but because of his powerful faith he let's his potential stay stifled.