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Hi,

Did God became the Universe? I mean think about it for a second, what if an Intelligence decided to realize Him/Her/Itself, and to take a material form by becoming the Universe? What is this Intelligence is made aware of itself through us, that we are all part of the Universal counsciousness?

I am curious to have your take on this. Here's a short youtube video to explains the basic idea more clearly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtmfB2GDIYA

Thanks.

No, the bible clearly says that god created the universe and then throughout the bible he interacts with it and the humans living in his creation.

Desecrated wrote:No, the bible clearly says that god created the universe and then throughout the bible he interacts with it and the humans living in his creation.

I politely respect your views but I don't base my spiritual/metaphysical beliefs on the bible, sorry.

Desecrated wrote:No, the bible clearly says that god created the universe and then throughout the bible he interacts with it and the humans living in his creation.

Bible? Really? A holy fairy tale.... I am sorry but What those 3 big religion ( Judaism,Christianity and Islam) says is all bullshit. I do think philosophical concepts about universe are more reliable. [thumbup]

Philosophical concepts about the universe would also be classified as made up fairy tales and fantasies, while lacking the popular and doctrinal support that the bible has.

On topic, I didn't watch the video as I am at work, but God becoming the universe could make sense. I am my body, but i still consciously interact and speak with it. I've often wondered if our universe was just a cell in God's bloodstream. Maybe just a passing thought or daydream. Hopefully we're a good one.

God is just a convenient and modern three letter word used to describe The All, and The Source from which it came. In the beginning, there was nothing. Then something happened, and now there's everything. Every single mythological creation story, including the one in Theoretical Physics (which is as much a mythology as any other), is just somebody's attempt to explain all of that. There's no reason to get touchy over the Abrahamic stories specifically, because even if you don't prefer that flavor of things, there is a ton of occult and mystical wisdom weaved into those texts. When the actual teachings of those "three big religions" are understood properly, they are as reliable and enlightening as Plato or Lao Tzu.

A mystic or a magician can achieve union with The All in the way that you're asking though. In some schools, that's the primary goal, and more than a couple of people have achieved it over the years. It's achieved through various forms of practice depending on the school, but in Magic the most common method is through a proper and full Invocation -- by Invoking the gods often, you raise yourself up a little closer to their level of consciousness until eventually you are on the same level. It's called Henosis in the Greek systems, and there is a specific Samadhi name for it in the Yoga texts as well that I can't recall at the moment.



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I dont think everything poped out from nothing becouse once there is "nothing" litterally there cant be something anymore.

If you write god in a thread about theology, I'm going to assume that you are talking about the christian god.
Otherwise post it somewhere else and us a a different word.

Tyho wrote:Hi,

Did God became the Universe? I mean think about it for a second, what if an Intelligence decided to realize Him/Her/Itself, and to take a material form by becoming the Universe? What is this Intelligence is made aware of itself through us, that we are all part of the Universal counsciousness?

My personal view would put me in the God IS the Universe camp,... but I don't view God as a being, and Gods 'Intelligence' would look like Universal laws,... like gravity and duality.

Atzmuth wrote:

Desecrated wrote:No, the bible clearly says that god created the universe and then throughout the bible he interacts with it and the humans living in his creation.

Bible? Really? A holy fairy tale.... I am sorry but What those 3 big religion ( Judaism,Christianity and Islam) says is all bullshit. I do think philosophical concepts about universe are more reliable. [thumbup]

lolol you funny my main bullfrog rule was forgive 3 world wide realigions copyright under bullshit lol

Desecrated wrote:If you write god in a thread about theology, I'm going to assume that you are talking about the christian god.
Otherwise post it somewhere else and us a a different word.

You're defining 'theology' in the christian sens of the word, but this section is about general theology, which is the systematic and rational study of God(s) and it's influence upon human beings.

Here's the basic definition of the word 'theology' from the dictionnary:

''the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.''

From: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theology

That being said, you are entitled to your opinions but what I am describing here from a theological standpoint is a form of Pantheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism) or PanDeism, which combine elements of both Pantheism and Deism. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism)

Atzmuth wrote:I dont think everything poped out from nothing becouse once there is "nothing" litterally there cant be something anymore.

I don't either though I find it very hard to picture ''something'' outside space and time. That is mind boggling to say the least. But assuming there was ''something'' before the big bang, could it be that 'God' did not create a machine apart from Him/Her/Itself but that the Universe is actually a physical incarnation of this Deity undergoing a self-realization process? That just like our brain can uncounsciously regulate our metabolism at a much smaller scale, that so the Universe which is God's body, can function rationally from God's unconscious, the laws of physics allowing for the formation of Stars, Planets and Galaxies and all that which we know. Does that make sens?

Tyho wrote:

Desecrated wrote:If you write god in a thread about theology, I'm going to assume that you are talking about the christian god.
Otherwise post it somewhere else and us a a different word.

You're defining 'theology' in the christian sens of the word, but this section is about general theology, which is the systematic and rational study of God(s) and it's influence upon human beings.

Here's the basic definition of the word 'theology' from the dictionnary:

''the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.''

From: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theology

That being said, you are entitled to your opinions but what I am describing here from a theological standpoint is a form of Pantheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism) or PanDeism, which combine elements of both Pantheism and Deism. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism)

If you go to the university and sign up for theology, then yes, it will be christian.

My personal belief is that I really don't give a fuck about god, the origin of the universe or what that or this might be.
I was just answering from the perspective of theology.

Atzmuth wrote:I dont think everything poped out from nothing becouse once there is "nothing" litterally there cant be something anymore.

It's not nothing in that sense. This video explains it better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGktVQdNg

Desecrated wrote:If you go to the university and sign up for theology, then yes, it will be christian.

I have no doubt that in some Western countries where christianity is the dominant faith, 'theology' courses will only be concerned about that specific religion but the term 'theology' can be applied more broadly than the Judeo-Chrisitan context.

From wiki:

It is seen by some to be a term only appropriate to the study of all religions that worship a supposed deity (a theos), i.e. more widely than the Judeo-Christian tradition, and to presuppose belief in the ability to speak and reason about this deity (in logia). They suggest the term is less appropriate in religious contexts that are organized differently (religions without a single deity, or that deny that such subjects can be studied logically). ("Hierology" has been proposed as an alternative, more generic term.[28])

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology

Desecrated wrote:My personal belief is that I really don't give a fuck about god, the origin of the universe or what that or this might be.
I was just answering from the perspective of theology.

I can't relate to that in any way, since my interest in spirituality, metaphysics and theology is actually what lead me to the occult. But to each it's path.

Most of what you say is true from my perspective. However, God did not become the Universe: rather, the Universe is a part of God that turned on itself, trapping itself in pain. It's a temporary oddity, and I do not and perhaps never will know how it happened. Of course, it isn't real to begin with, but I don't know why it appears to be real. As something that is of the Universe, my mind is incapable of truly comprehending the Universe.

Desecrated wrote:If you write god in a thread about theology, I'm going to assume that you are talking about the christian god.
Otherwise post it somewhere else and us a a different word.

There is no "Christian" God. There's only a universal God, present in all philosophies.

Tyho,

That seems like the same as saying there was nothing else for it to be but everything, therefore as it embarks on all new endeavors as matters of self-exploration it embarked on our big bang. In that sense it would be all things, plus more - ie. panentheism rather than just pantheism. Sounds fine with me.

In the Becoming of the Universe, it is very important to note that it is all made of One Thing (God, The ALL, the Source, Consmic Intelligence, etc) through Adaptation of Itself.

This necessary adaptation of Itself to form new things is responsible for the separation of Itself from Itself, which creates the so-called Veil of Illusion between our fixt point of reference and the true and universal nature of reality. Adaptation is ultimately the technique/method responsible for achieving the re-Union which Shinichi speaks of -- that is, the fixt point of reference must re-Adapt it's way of Being in order to know Enlightenment/Union/Gnosis/etc.

This is why the masters are called Adepts, because they are 'proficient and skillful' at Adapting themselves.

Guys what if; we are Gods? Can you proove othervise? We do have freewill.
Ps. By 'God' I dont mean an all seeing all knowing creep.

I hold the Hermetic view from 'The Kybalion' that this universe is the mental creation of 'the Source', 'God', 'the All', etc. The Source has nowhere else to go as there is nothing outside it and so it created this universe in It's mind. I believe that It's essence is existent within the universe just like a painter's essence is present within one of his canvas paintings. But that doesn't make the painting the painter himself. The book also reminded us that the misinterpretation of this concept made many people declare, "I am God."

Hi Tyho

"Did God became the Universe? I mean think about it for a second, what if an Intelligence decided to realize Him/Her/Itself, and to take a material form by becoming the Universe? What is this Intelligence is made aware of itself through us, that we are all part of the Universal counsciousness?"


All of the older religions have a high theology, the main bits of which are common to them all
The Bible is as good a source as any because it is commonly available and accessible
Occultists often forget that over 90% of the Bible was pre-Christian church
The Christian church is only BASED on the teaching of Jesus, from there it wandered off and created its own nonsense


High Theology teaching is that God (Source & Center / Father) is outside of matter, energy, space and time
and created it by expanding himself into a separate entity (Son)
Both the original God and the expansion of himself (son) are part and parcel
One God with two aspects, both of which have personality


God is not made aware of himself through us
To understand why humans were created just look at how they were created
It looks to me like the human world has been constructed in such a way that the genetic blood-line is more important than the individual
It looks as if the genetic blood-lines are rising toward a destiny some time in the future


You are also interested in 'being part of the universal consciousness'
That is a separate matter
Anyone practiced and skilled at meditation knows that they are or can become part of the universal consciousness
This seems to be a mechanical ability of the human mind or spirit


To close this, may I answer the inevitable question "where did God the source and center come from"
The proof that a God in some form exists is the blunt fact that nothing in the human world should work
All human constructions depend on the arithmetical figure zero
Yet the truth is that the figure zero does not exist. Humans invented it as the only way they could make their sums add up
In the entire creation there is no such thing as 'nothing'. There is no 'vacuum'. There is no zero
God the source and center exists because if he didn't there would be nothing, and 'nothing' is an impossibility
That is the theological position anyway