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What are the side effects of using death spells? Is it true that when you use one it comes back and you have to die too eventually?

Lets say for example in a scenario when you are using it against either a dangerous and violent extreme-nationalist terrorist who is running loose(eg. people such as the gunman of Norway) and who is about to take innocent lives and goes against your values, in order to try to stop him to save lives, Or to save your own life from someone who endangers you? Would you still get the karma or get it back?

I do not plan on using any death spells yet but I would like to know incase if I needed it one day. Apologies if this question seems insensitive but I need it planned out incase someday I ever have to use it.

I have used a major Death spell before. As always, the rule of Equivalent Exchange occur. Without going into details..

Requested Stygal via Lucifer & Chenor to kill unborn child of female friend with reasoning: she is too young to have children & that would fuck her life up.
Result:
1. Unborn child is removed.
2. Female friend and I can never be close again.
3. Unborn child of another friend is also removed.
4. The other friend and I become close but her life enters a downward spiral.

Thankfully, other friend is mature enough to deal with it and she's made a near full recovery.

As per your question, the situation where you die depends completely upon the scenario of your request. Honestly, the terms of agreement are always made clear to you while you're making the negotiations and you always have the choice to back out without repercussion.

Liberator wrote:What are the side effects of using death spells? Is it true that when you use one it comes back and you have to die too eventually?

In my opinion, this depends on two key factors:

1. What you consider a 'death spell' to be, and
2. What paradigm you are using.

I am a Chaos Magician. I believe that magick essentially works because you believe it does. I know this is a very simple way to describe Chaos Magick, and I could get into such things as the Psychic Censor, subconscious influence over conscious knowledge, and a whole raft of other points, but the key issue for me is that belief is the prime mover of magickal application. If you don't believe in what you're doing, and that belief is not happening on a subconscious level, then you simply will not get a quantifiable result.

Now, lets apply this to the concept of a 'death spell'. What is the most effective way to kill someone using magick? You make them believe that they have been effected by a form of magick that will kill them. To do this you use a system that is preferably supported by the culture they are from, as subconscious belief in the power of a system that is recognised as being efficacious within a culture, preferably historically, will help a target to believe that the magick is both valid and real. Even in cultures where magick is viewed as superstition, if it is from the culture and/or history of the target then they are much more likely to be effected by it.

For example, lets look at the 'evil eye'. In some form or another, the 'evil eye' has existed pretty much all over the world. It is recorded is Islamic doctrine - Muhammad himself is recorded as saying 'The influence of an evil eye is a fact' (Sahih Muslim, Book 26, Number 5427). Authentic practices of warding off the evil eye are commonly practiced by Muslims: rather than directly expressing appreciation of, for example, a child's beauty, it is customary to say 'Masha'Allah', that is, "God has willed it", or through invoking God's blessings upon the object or person that is being admired. And it's not just Muslims who hold the doctrine as a part of at least one of their historical core faiths, belief in the evil eye has at some point popped up pretty much everywhere. Lets look at versions of it from around the world - this list taken from the Wikipedia entry on the topic:

* In Albanian it is known as "syri i keq" (Standart and Tosk), or as "syni keq" (Gheg) meaning "bad eye". Also "mësysh" is used commonly, meaning "cast an evil eye".
* In Arabic, ʿayn al-ḥasūd, عين الحسود‎, "the eye of envy". ʿAyn ḥārrah (عين حارّة) is also used, literally translating to "hot eye".
* In Armenian, char atchk (չար աչքն) "evil eye" or "bad eye". Regarding the act of giving an evil gaze, it is said (directly translated), "to give with the eye" or in Armenian, "atchkov tal".
* In Azerbaijani, "Göz dəyməsi" – translating as being struck by an eye
* In Chinese it is called 邪恶之眼 (xie e zhi yan, literally "evil eye")
* In German, it is called "böser Blick", literally "evil gaze".
* In Greek, to matiasma (μάτιασμα) or mati (μάτι) someone refers to the act of casting the evil eye (mati being the
Greek word for eye); also: vaskania (βασκανία, the Greek word for jinx)[34]
* In Hebrew, ʿáyin hā-ráʿ (עַיִן הָרַע‎, "evil eye")
* In Hindi and other languages of North India, nazar (नज़र); nazar lagna (नज़र लगना) means to be afflicted by the evil eye.
* In Hungarian, gonosz szem means "evil eye", but more widespread is the expression szemmelverés (lit. "beating with eye"), which refers to the supposed/alleged act of harming one by an evil look.
* In Italian, the word malocchio refers to the evil eye.
* In Japanese it is known as "邪視" ("jashi").
* In Kannada, it is called "drishti". (But cf. "Drishti (yoga)".)
* In Macedonian it is known as урокливо око.
* In Malayalam it is known as kannu veykkuka – to cast an evil eye while "kannu peduka" means to be on the receiving end of the malefic influence. "kannu dosham" refers to a bad effect caused by an evil eye.
* In Persian it is known as "چشم‌ زخم"‎ (injurious look/eyes causing injury) or "چشم شور"‎ (omen eye) "Cheshmeh Hasood", meaning Jealous eye, or "Cheshme Nazar" meaning evil eye.
* In Polish it is known as "złe oko" or "złe spojrzenie".
* In Portuguese, it is called "mau olhado", ou "olho gordo" (literally "fat eye"). The first expression is used in Portugal and second one is more common in Brazil.
* In Romanian, it is known as "deochi", meaning literally "of eye".
* In Russian, "дурной глаз" (durnoy glaz) means "bad/evil eye"; "сглаз" (sglaz) literally means "from eye".
* In Sanskrit, an ancient Indian language, it is called "drishti dosha" (दृष्टि दोष) meaning malice caused by evil eye. (But cf. "drishti (yoga)".)
* In Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin, it is called Urokljivo oko (Cyr. Урокљиво око). First word is adjective of the word urok/урок, which means spell or curse, and the second one means eye.
* In Somali, it is called "il", or "Ilaaco" or "Qumayo" ( first word literally meaning "eye" and the other two words meaning envy eye)
* In Spanish, mal de ojo literally means "evil from the eye" as the name does not refer to the actual eye but to the evil that supposedly comes from it. Casting the evil eye is then echar mal de ojo, i.e. "to cast evil from the eye".
* In Tamil, "கண் படுதல்" (kan padudhal) literally means "casting an eye" (with an intention to cause harm). "கண்ணூறு" (kannooru) "harm from the eye"
* In Turkish "nazar boncuğu" looking with kem göz meaning looking with evil eye
* In Urdu nazar; nazar lagna means to be afflicted by the evil eye.

The evil eye is sort of like a belief in ghosts in the West - lots of people 'sort of' believe in it; they aren't sure, and probably rationalise it away through more commonly held scientific applications of logic, but the belief is so ingrained into their culture that all it takes is for someone to give them the evil eye (or show them a ghost, for instance) and the cultural fervour takes hold.

Liberator wrote: Lets say for example in a scenario when you are using it against either a dangerous and violent extreme-nationalist terrorist who is running loose(eg. people such as the gunman of Norway) and who is about to take innocent lives and goes against your values, in order to try to stop him to save lives, Or to save your own life from someone who endangers you? Would you still get the karma or get it back?

Again, this depends on the paradigm you adhere to. Karma and The Threefold Law are both Right Hand Path (RHP) concepts. If you don't follow a RHP paradigm, or don't even believe in the differentiation between RHP and LHP to begin with, then there is nothing stopping you from simply not believing in karma - it's that whole 'belief' thing again.

Liberator wrote: I do not plan on using any death spells yet but I would like to know incase if I needed it one day. Apologies if this question seems insensitive but I need it planned out incase someday I ever have to use it.

I hope my personal opinion on such things has helped you in some small way. [grin]

All magic has side effects.
Strong magic has strong side effects.

If you have the power to kill someone with magic, you have the power to stop them doing whatever they're doing without killing them.

Rin wrote:If you have the power to kill someone with magic, you have the power to stop them doing whatever they're doing without killing them.

If you have the power to kill someone (which is disturbing someones natural path), you might have enough power to avoid the punishment? (which would be a natural reaction to the previous action).

Although, the universe has a funny way of evening things out. It seems to be hard to prepare yourself for everything it can throw at you. Especially when it throws it at someone near you.

There aren't many people that can build enough energy to wield death magic. There are less people that know and understand the underlying mechanics and even less that are willing to share that information. Especially with someone who wants to know in case there's a need for it in the future. You'd have better luck getting that info privately if and when the need was actually there.

You can learn the rituals and/or spells. It doesn't mean that you can actually make it work.

Oh, and we all die. Every one of us. To say that we'll die because of it, well, death is a given. It's the only given in this life.

Killing someone brings side effects, whether you use magick or not, unless you are some kind of psychopath.

RoseRed wrote: It's the only given in this life.

Besides taxes.

I know people that have figured out how to skip out on taxes.

RoseRed wrote:
You can learn the rituals and/or spells. It doesn't mean that you can actually make it work.

And might I add.
These kind of rituals have a nasty habit of blowing up in ones face. They have enough force by themselves to willing try to go astray.
There is a lot of natural resistance to get something like that out of yourself without hurting yourself in the process.

The chances of accidentally killing the intent victim would be much less then accidentally killing yourself or something much closer to you then your intent victim.
It's nothing to attempt, just to see if it works.



Personally, I would rather use someone as a shield then try to kill the shooter.

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Desecrated wrote:
If you have the power to kill someone (which is disturbing someones natural path), you might have enough power to avoid the punishment? (which would be a natural reaction to the previous action).

But overcoming universal consequences isn't just a matter of power - there are plenty of otherwise capable magicians who've failed utterly when going up against the force of karma. One good example is Franz Bardon - despite knowing that a young girl's tuberculosis was karmically induced, he felt a deep pity for her and healed her anyway. Consequently his own health collapsed, and he was forced to go back to the girl and return the disease to her (with her permission, though it's interesting to ponder what he would have done had she not given it).

Another example is Aleister Crowley's failure to save the life of his first child - magic just washed off like water on glass, which he attributed to his breaking the oath he had made to devote his full power and capability to spreading the law of Thelema.

Of course karma isn't as simple as "if I kill someone them someone else will kill me afterwards," but it will come back down on you eventually, in one lifetime or the next. Why risk it, when there are ways to achieve your goal without murder? Is the thrill of being able to kill someone worth going up against the spiritual (and of course psychological) repercussions?

Liberator wrote:What are the side effects of using death spells? Is it true that when you use one it comes back and you have to die too eventually?

Lets say for example in a scenario when you are using it against either a dangerous and violent extreme-nationalist terrorist who is running loose(eg. people such as the gunman of Norway) and who is about to take innocent lives and goes against your values, in order to try to stop him to save lives, Or to save your own life from someone who endangers you? Would you still get the karma or get it back?

I do not plan on using any death spells yet but I would like to know incase if I needed it one day. Apologies if this question seems insensitive but I need it planned out incase someday I ever have to use it.

Killing always has side effects. It doesn't matter if you kill a rabbit or an enemy soldier or your ex-wife, when you take a life, something inside you goes with them. You can be insensitive to the change and not notice it until it has already driven you mad, but there is always a change. Ask any soldier. Hell, ask anyone that really hunts. If you ever don't feel a little bad about a kill, it's time to question what happened to your humanity. And I'm not getting on a moral bandwagon and saying that killing should never happen, because such violence is just the way of the world and anyone that has survived a war or a street fight knows it. Violence happens, and there are no rules in mortal combat. You either survive it or you don't, and there will be consequences either way.

But if you have enough power to and fortitude to kill someone, it's usually a lot easier to just incapacitate them. Whether it's an occultist and you bind them (remove their ability to ever use real magick again no matter how hard they try - and yes, we really can do that) or an ordinary person and you curse them in this way or that, it's usually a lot simpler and less traumatic to simply neutralize the threat. Whether it's a spell or a bullet, you very rarely need to kill someone to make them stop. Hell, with most bullies, it's usually enough to just scare the crap out of them and put them in their place.

Rin wrote:Another example is Aleister Crowley's failure to save the life of his first child - magic just washed off like water on glass, which he attributed to his breaking the oath he had made to devote his full power and capability to spreading the law of Thelema.

I have been trying to remember which story that was for months. Ten thousand thank you's, Rin. [yay]



~:Shin:~

A couple of observations.

First, death magic isn't really in the purview of the "beginner's info" section of the forum. There is a certain disconnect with that as the basis of this conversation.

Second, I'm not sure I understand the "what if" of the question. In the hypothetical, how do you know the ultra nationalist or whatever is really about to kill people? Are you what-if-ing a scenario where you are casting spells on some jihadi in a cave somewhere, or are you asking if it's practicable to get powerful enough to cast such a spell on the spot if you happen to be in a public space when such an active shooter/ Mumbai style commando raid is happening? As in, a killer starts killing and you whip out your wand and kill him on the spot? That sounds far fetched. Not that I don't believe it's possible to do work that is that powerful, but historically even really powerful mages knew when it was time to cast the magic spell of good old fashioned physical violence. Supposedly Crowley shot someone in some third world scrape and King Solomon certainly used violence when and where it seemed the right tool and he was powerful.

Third. The side effects of using a death spell are unpredictable in the specifics but you can bet that a high cost is to be paid. If the target is worth it, than the target is worth it. Ask yourself, is casting this spell worth paying the cost that would be attached to killing them without magick? (ie, you draw their fire and risk your own life, you may go to prison, you may bring retribution from their allies onto your family, etc) Now apply the same decision making to the use of magick because the end is the same. If there is clear and present cause to use lethal force, then pay the price for your choice to do so. Maybe you save the day and are celebrated as the hero, or maybe your life swirls around the toilet bowl until you die. If it isn't worth facing that coin toss, stay out of the fray. If it is worth whatever price must be paid, then what does it matter what that price will be? The same is true if your instrument of action is a magic spell or if you act with a knife or a gun. There will be a reckoning after the fact. Know ahead of time what you will and will not face potentially limitless consequences for, and act only when you know you are in it without hesitation.

Procel wrote: Death magic isn't really in the purview of the "beginner's info" section of the forum. There is a certain disconnect with that as the basis of this conversation.

Good point. I'm moving this to the Off-topic (Occult) board instead. [thumbup]

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wow, your laws are strict.

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I don't know if this thread is even still open. Someone said they didn't think it was possible to become so powerful as to be able to whip out a wand and kill someone on the spot.

Aleister Crowleys friend and magical mentor Alan Bennett used to carry a magickally charged staff with him at all times. He got into a debate with a theological student about the power of this 'blasting rod.' Alan discharged it at him, rendering him senseless/unconscious for some 14 hours.

I forget this characters name now but he's always mentioned in books on Chi Kung. He was a Chinese Kung Fu master and therefore had learned to accumulate and direct a lot of chi energy as this is integral to their practice. During WW2 his country was occupied by the Japanese - they were notoriously cruel. One day he was crossing a bridge and two Jap soldiers accosted a Chinese woman. Well, you've all heard of the rape of Nanking. The Kung gu master discharged his chi into both of them, they collapsed in agony, fatally wounded. The othe Japanese soldiers looked about fearing a sniper but the Chinese present knew it was this innocuous looking old man.

Either story illustrates a power that would disable any violent man.

Horny Goat wrote:I don't know if this thread is even still open. Someone said they didn't think it was possible to become so powerful as to be able to whip out a wand and kill someone on the spot.

Aleister Crowleys friend and magical mentor Alan Bennett used to carry a magickally charged staff with him at all times. He got into a debate with a theological student about the power of this 'blasting rod.' Alan discharged it at him, rendering him senseless/unconscious for some 14 hours.

Isn't that the guy who became a Buddhist monk? I think Crowley had a reputation for embellishing his stories.

Procel wrote:A couple of observations.

First, death magic isn't really in the purview of the "beginner's info" section of the forum. There is a certain disconnect with that as the basis of this conversation.

Second, I'm not sure I understand the "what if" of the question. In the hypothetical, how do you know the ultra nationalist or whatever is really about to kill people? Are you what-if-ing a scenario where you are casting spells on some jihadi in a cave somewhere, or are you asking if it's practicable to get powerful enough to cast such a spell on the spot if you happen to be in a public space when such an active shooter/ Mumbai style commando raid is happening? As in, a killer starts killing and you whip out your wand and kill him on the spot? That sounds far fetched. Not that I don't believe it's possible to do work that is that powerful, but historically even really powerful mages knew when it was time to cast the magic spell of good old fashioned physical violence. Supposedly Crowley shot someone in some third world scrape and King Solomon certainly used violence when and where it seemed the right tool and he was powerful.

Third. The side effects of using a death spell are unpredictable in the specifics but you can bet that a high cost is to be paid. If the target is worth it, than the target is worth it. Ask yourself, is casting this spell worth paying the cost that would be attached to killing them without magick? (ie, you draw their fire and risk your own life, you may go to prison, you may bring retribution from their allies onto your family, etc) Now apply the same decision making to the use of magick because the end is the same. If there is clear and present cause to use lethal force, then pay the price for your choice to do so. Maybe you save the day and are celebrated as the hero, or maybe your life swirls around the toilet bowl until you die. If it isn't worth facing that coin toss, stay out of the fray. If it is worth whatever price must be paid, then what does it matter what that price will be? The same is true if your instrument of action is a magic spell or if you act with a knife or a gun. There will be a reckoning after the fact. Know ahead of time what you will and will not face potentially limitless consequences for, and act only when you know you are in it without hesitation.

I'm talking about casting it remotely such as in the jihadi in the cave scenario example you gave, most ultranationalist leaders do ethnic cleansings when they get in power so 99% of the time they will. Which means I'm about over 90% sure they would be planning to carry out an atrocity.

Rin wrote:If you have the power to kill someone with magic, you have the power to stop them doing whatever they're doing without killing them.

Wise words

Liberator wrote:What are the side effects of using death spells? Is it true that when you use one it comes back and you have to die too eventually?

Side effects?
As the others said, it depends on your paradigm.

Liberator wrote:I do not plan on using any death spells yet but I would like to know incase if I needed it one day. Apologies if this question seems insensitive but I need it planned out incase someday I ever have to use it.

What you're describing here is called Red or War Magic.

Black or Death Magic is not something you use for self-defense.
It's more like a magical sniper rifle.
Or a genetically engineered killing virus.

It would be redundant to describe all the ethics and paradigmatical effects (as I said the others already did that), but I want to tell you something...
Don't.
Don't use Death Magic.

Not because it isn't working. Oh no, it works, I can tell you - I know, because I used it a few times (although mos of the times not directly / intentionally, but I'll say no more).

A few years ago someone held this little speech to me and then I just laughed about it.
Now I know what he meant.

Using nasty magic will corrupt you.
It leaves marks... scars.
Because you are your own magic.
Trust me: you won't wash it away. You're gonna carry the burden till the grave.

I know this sounds melodramatic. I thought the same thing when I heard it.

So these are the only side effects.
Nothing more.
Black magic is surprisingly easy - but forgetting is much harder.

Oh, and one more thing: hurting people who hurt you is, as I said, really easy.
Hurting public enemies and "celebrities" (so basically people who you don't know directly) are very difficult.

But again: I think you seek Red Magic and not the Balck one.