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What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:39 am
by Horny Goat
From Austin Spare's Zos Kia, what do you think Kia is?
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:40 am
by cyberdemon
His imaginary friend.
In all seriousness, a familiar perhaps. I don't remember Spare's work properly, too eccentric and self-centered method of writing for me to actually pay attention to. Was it Kia who delivered the speech through Spare? Either way, a familiar or an invoked demon-class entity is likely.
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:36 am
by Desecrated
Horny Goat wrote:From Austin Spare's Zos Kia, what do you think Kia is?
A representation of his subconsciousness.
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:09 am
by Ramscha
A representation of his subconsciousness.
And in a broader view his working tool.
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:12 am
by Clockwork Ghost
Horny Goat wrote:From Austin Spare's Zos Kia, what do you think Kia is?
Zos is simply the self and Kia is simply a terms synonymous with the Hindu concept of Brahman. In embracing Zos and Kia together, and realising that Kia is actually Zos, the enlightened magician becomes truly liberated from all social conventions and traditional ideas. The embracing of Kia into Zos is the road to a true subconscious realisation of the self - if you can act fully in a state of Kia, then you operate without any barrier between yourself and the self-divine.
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:50 am
by Horny Goat
Gosh, I never thought I'd get replies like this. I thought it was either life energy, which is a poor description, or else it was reality itself - his share of reality. Everything that is currently manifest in his own life. It's not a clear concept.
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:03 am
by JohnTitor
Clockwork_Ghost very well summed up my impressions to the T. I am still working on finishing his collective works, and have yet to finish Self Love, but that was a wonderful clarification. My initial perception of KIA was more that it is US. He says so in one line in particular, and that to see Kia as more is just as wrong as religion. I will repost soon with the specific line. I have it on file in my bookmarks.
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:26 am
by Urscumug
From the definitions of Daemons of pleasure:
A. O. Spare wrote:Kia: The absolute freedom which being free is mighty enough to be "reality" and free at any time: therefoire is not potential or manifest (except as it's instant possibility) by ideas of freedom or "means", but by the Ego being free to receive it, by being free of ideas about it and by not believing.
The less said of it (Kia) the less obscure is it. Remember evolution teaches by terrible punishments - that conception is ultimate reality but not ultimate freedom from evolution.
And later in The Consumer of Religion:
A. O. Spare wrote:I call it Kia I dare not claim it as myself. The Kia which can be expressed by conceivable ideas, is not the eternal Kia, which burns up all belief but is the archetype of "self", the slavery of mortality.
Horny Goat wrote:what do you think Kia is?
[crazy]
I consider myself as a decent reader of English, coming from French, but I find it extremely difficult to read Spare. I wonder how easy (or difficult) it is for a native English speaker.
Let's take a simple case, in the previous quote, does
the slavery of mortality relates to the
"self" (my guess) or the the
Kia that is not the eternal Kia?
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:26 am
by Jaq
Several answers above are 'true', but to put it in other terms, it is basically Spare's personal concept of the 'higher self'. The essential being within the physical shell of mortality. Something that is both spirit and subconscious, yet neither.
Getting one's head around some of Spare's concepts can take some perspective shifting.
Re: What do you think KIA is?
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:31 am
by Haelos
From the books 'Liber Null & Psyconaut', Kia is what most would call God, or the ALL.
It's supposed to be a word without meaning, but the car companies have taken that from us, and for a certain purpose.