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Okay, this is going to be strange, but I don't know where else to ask it.

A few questions: (please note I'm VERY new to much of this)

1. We all talk about invoking entities and such, which many argue have an external existence apart from us. If this is true, and you invoke a demon, aka a seemingly fantastical entity in todays secular and rational world, is Jesus outside the realm of possibility? I ask because I've had my doubts about his true nature as a divine being but since I am now studying a world inhabited by a plethora of beings, my mind is telling me that is certainly in the realm of possibility.

This leads to another question.

2) I've read many things about how, the more in tune you get with things or practice your senses, the more seemingly random or coincidental things seem not so random or coincidental and in fact may be road maps guiding you to some type of destination. Would you agree with this or am I such a newbie that I'm wrong?

Here's why I ask. In the last month or so, I've had several seemingly random things happen, utterances or synchronicities really, which I am starting to notice.

You see, I got into this because I guess I wanted to have an experience that there is more to existence then the simply mundane world of matter, to know that there are other things beyond the veil. Oh sure there are some things which are interesting such as utilizing your will and invoking something to give you a lending hand in certain areas and if you've read my introduction, one of those is a quest to improve myself, with my focus being on acquring a better economic status.

However, with that, I also see to master myself and know what makes me tick beyond the shell of ego. As such, and correct me if I'm wrong, I've been seeking a more spiritual path.

Anyways, I had posted up not to long ago on social media about feeling a "gap" in my life which I would like to feel more complete and well rounded as an individual. Posting this, someone asked me "Do you have a relationship with Jesus?" to which I answered that I had my doubts. A month prior to this, a friend had recommended to me a book called "Wild at Heart" a book with Christian elements.

So, after posting my gap conversation, last week I was driving north out of the town I live in to get beyond a cloud to see the Aurora borealis which was visible in some parts of North America. I ended up driving 25 miles but couldn't escape the cloud which aparently was much further away then I thought. As I drove I was going through the radio stations when I heard someone say "Mind the Gap" and then talk about C.S. Lewis "The Screwtape Letters" and the weapon of giving people "the horror of the same old thing" which drives them ever more into materialism.

Then today, quite by happenstance, I ran into a colleague, who I talked to for several hours about my recent experiences in life to which he recommended I seek out faith. He, being Catholic, mentioned certain saints wbich , when a medallion of one was buried on his parents land (he's older) ensured his parents agricultural bounty when their fellow neighbors had more natural deprivations. My first thought was magick.

3.) What is going on? You hear about the occults associations with darker forces so I have wondered, a. Is this REALLY true (Goetia) and b. If true, is some other mystical force directing me somewhere else. I was really enjoying working through Kraigs book, and the visulizations and practices, and knowledge he reveals but I have paused to figure this stuff out in case long held prohibitions are true. (Not saying that they're right.)

But at the same time, doing the Middle Pillar work I really feel the energy flowing and I like it. (I am reading about kundalini).

4.) However, since Catholics invoke saints, isn't this a form of magick itself? Is there such a thing as Christian magic? Reading through the New Testament and a book I have on Jewish Kaballah, I am wondering if that wasn't what Jesus was originally practicing (whether or not he man/or deity)?

Sorry for the long post, but I feel like I'm spinning around like a top. Has anyone else ever felt these questions?

Thanks for your patience. I apologize in advance if this is the wrong place.

1) "Jesus" as we call him was a real person that lived roughly two thousand years ago, and who was a powerful Saint and Spiritual Master. Folks can argue over the archaeological evidence till they're blue in the face, but anyone with decent Clairvoyance can just look into the past and see his existence for themselves. He was a mortal spiritual teacher who was killed for going against the establishment of his day, and his followers deified him shortly afterwards (a bit like how they do Saints now, or how some Taoists become Astral Immortals after death). This deification inevitably led to idolization and, as the years passed, we now have countless varieties of Christian groups that more often than not completely ignore the mans actual teachings in favor of simply praying to him.

2) Everything in the whole wide world and beyond is connected to everything else on a subtle layer. The more subtle you go, the stronger the connections are. Things like this happen, but you should also be mindful of "seeing what you want." It's a psychology thing. If you look for something long and hard enough, you will see it even where others don't.

3) Goetia is real, as are the spirits in it, though they aren't the only spirits that exist in the Otherworld. That grand and fantastical place is populated by much more than "angels" and "demons." But, not everybody who works with Magick or Mysticism works with the Goetia. There are many other ways to pursue your goals, many of them very neutral and some of them very extreme. As for a mystical force guiding you, well. Maybe you should read up on the Holy Guardian Angel concept. We all have one, whether we know it or not.


4) There are many forms of Christian Magick. From all the stuff with saints to the incantation prayers to the toolbox of an exorcist. Even a rosary is a magical tool. As for what Jesus actually practiced, well. According to the Gnostics, he spent his "absent years" (the years where his whereabouts are unrecorded in the bible) traveling around, learning many things from many Temples, including and especially Yoga. The Holy Science by Sri Yukteswar Giri, a Yogi who compared the teachings of Jesus to those of his own traditions, is a good book to look into either way.

And, yes, many people seek answers to these and similar questions. Don't feel bad about asking, just ask and seek and Google and learn. It's good for you. [yay]



~:Shin:~

Hey there.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I appreciate your response.

Yeah, it has been weird. I guess there was a part of me that was asking if perhaps, as so many say, that messing with the Occult is to lose your soul to the proverbial dark powers as described in the existing Christian paradigm. When I started seeing all of these things pertaining to Christianity, I was thinking that maybe some other worldly force was trying to prevent me from being "lost" from the whole "Jesus is the truth, the light, no man enters the kingdom etc," thing.

It was just weird. I do know that recently I've had some difficulty spiritually, (thinking that perhaps its depression or maybe, just maybe, some sort of Kundalini experience which I'm just now reading about) and I am seeking the divine. I was recently reading that Carl Jung went through a depressive period in his life and wrote his "Liber Novus" or "The Red Book." He explained the archetype of the cave or facing the inner darkness as part of the life journey. In his book, from all accounts (i haven't read it yet) he spoke to a being named "Philemon" which sounds an awful like lot the High Guardian Angel. He was also certainly known to look into Alchemy in his later days which I assume was a term to avoid then existing negative notions that he was examining other occult practices. I'm going to spend the next week or two reading his work as well as the Red Book. I'm curious what he has to say.

Anyway, THANK YOU very much for the response. It was very helpful friend.

One thing you should keep in mind is that there is a difference between Magick and Mysticism, although many of us practice them as two halves of a whole. If you want to practice your spirituality more seriously, you don't need to "mess with the occult," as it were. You don't need to train psychic powers, or learn metaphysics, or work with spirits, or any of that. These things aren't inherently "dark" as religions would have you believe, but they are powerful, and powerful things can cause bad problems when mishandled. There are dangers to walking the wise man's path.

There are plenty of very old and very powerful ways of just sitting down and practicing your spirituality, though. The various spiritual traditions of Yoga, the Daoist and Buddhist traditions, and the aforementioned Gnostic Christians just to name a few. If you want to explore a deeper and more practical spirituality than what you find in church, but you don't want to "mess with the occult," you can do that very easily. You just have to look for the right things.



~:Shin:~

Shinichi wrote:1) "Jesus" as we call him was a real person that lived roughly two thousand years ago, and who was a powerful Saint and Spiritual Master. Folks can argue over the archaeological evidence till they're blue in the face, but anyone with decent Clairvoyance can just look into the past and see his existence for themselves. He was a mortal spiritual teacher who was killed for going against the establishment of his day, and his followers deified him shortly afterwards (a bit like how they do Saints now, or how some Taoists become Astral Immortals after death). This deification inevitably led to idolization and, as the years passed, we now have countless varieties of Christian groups that more often than not completely ignore the mans actual teachings in favor of simply praying to him.

2) Everything in the whole wide world and beyond is connected to everything else on a subtle layer. The more subtle you go, the stronger the connections are. Things like this happen, but you should also be mindful of "seeing what you want." It's a psychology thing. If you look for something long and hard enough, you will see it even where others don't.

3) Goetia is real, as are the spirits in it, though they aren't the only spirits that exist in the Otherworld. That grand and fantastical place is populated by much more than "angels" and "demons." But, not everybody who works with Magick or Mysticism works with the Goetia. There are many other ways to pursue your goals, many of them very neutral and some of them very extreme. As for a mystical force guiding you, well. Maybe you should read up on the Holy Guardian Angel concept. We all have one, whether we know it or not.


4) There are many forms of Christian Magick. From all the stuff with saints to the incantation prayers to the toolbox of an exorcist. Even a rosary is a magical tool. As for what Jesus actually practiced, well. According to the Gnostics, he spent his "absent years" (the years where his whereabouts are unrecorded in the bible) traveling around, learning many things from many Temples, including and especially Yoga. The Holy Science by Sri Yukteswar Giri, a Yogi who compared the teachings of Jesus to those of his own traditions, is a good book to look into either way.

And, yes, many people seek answers to these and similar questions. Don't feel bad about asking, just ask and seek and Google and learn. It's good for you. [yay]



~:Shin:~

And just for discussion. How is it that they have managed to so effectively dismiss/undermine paranormal entities for hundreds-thousands of years including even some spirits/ghosts? Therefore also allowing some people to make the claim that "ghosts are demons in disguise"? Any thoughts? The religion has so far become like a defence force to protect ordinary people from what is soon as harmful paranormal entities.

Yes, it has but such is the purpose of religions. Or at least one of their purposes.

The world is much bigger than Christian good and everything else bad.

Catholicism 'borrowed' most of it's practices, holidays and celebrations from the Pagans they conquered. It's a very magical system, theurgic in nature, and not every local spirit was demonized - many of them were sainted and incorporated into the religion.

Have you read the bible for yourself yet? It's very different than what you're taught in church - of whichever denomination.

to answer your last question - are you able to protect yourself from the big bad monsters out there or do you want to go running to a 'daddy god' and 'big brother/friend/high priest to do it for you?

Liberator wrote:

Shinichi wrote:1) "Jesus" as we call him was a real person that lived roughly two thousand years ago, and who was a powerful Saint and Spiritual Master. Folks can argue over the archaeological evidence till they're blue in the face, but anyone with decent Clairvoyance can just look into the past and see his existence for themselves. He was a mortal spiritual teacher who was killed for going against the establishment of his day, and his followers deified him shortly afterwards (a bit like how they do Saints now, or how some Taoists become Astral Immortals after death). This deification inevitably led to idolization and, as the years passed, we now have countless varieties of Christian groups that more often than not completely ignore the mans actual teachings in favor of simply praying to him.

2) Everything in the whole wide world and beyond is connected to everything else on a subtle layer. The more subtle you go, the stronger the connections are. Things like this happen, but you should also be mindful of "seeing what you want." It's a psychology thing. If you look for something long and hard enough, you will see it even where others don't.

3) Goetia is real, as are the spirits in it, though they aren't the only spirits that exist in the Otherworld. That grand and fantastical place is populated by much more than "angels" and "demons." But, not everybody who works with Magick or Mysticism works with the Goetia. There are many other ways to pursue your goals, many of them very neutral and some of them very extreme. As for a mystical force guiding you, well. Maybe you should read up on the Holy Guardian Angel concept. We all have one, whether we know it or not.


4) There are many forms of Christian Magick. From all the stuff with saints to the incantation prayers to the toolbox of an exorcist. Even a rosary is a magical tool. As for what Jesus actually practiced, well. According to the Gnostics, he spent his "absent years" (the years where his whereabouts are unrecorded in the bible) traveling around, learning many things from many Temples, including and especially Yoga. The Holy Science by Sri Yukteswar Giri, a Yogi who compared the teachings of Jesus to those of his own traditions, is a good book to look into either way.

And, yes, many people seek answers to these and similar questions. Don't feel bad about asking, just ask and seek and Google and learn. It's good for you. [yay]



~:Shin:~

And just for discussion. How is it that they have managed to so effectively dismiss/undermine paranormal entities for hundreds-thousands of years including even some spirits/ghosts? Therefore also allowing some people to make the claim that "ghosts are demons in disguise"? Any thoughts? The religion has so far become like a defence force to protect ordinary people from what is soon as harmful paranormal entities.

seen* I'm not a follower of their religion but just discussing why its been seen to be so effective at dismissing so many paranormal entities.