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Do you know if its possible to send certain entities to someone? I'm looking for a type of entity which deals with retribution such as a poltergeist, feeds on fear and delivers punishment on someone according to how they have treated others. I want it to be something which both terrifies and gives treatment according to their deeds in life.

Best having them show up to wake them or cause activity between 1-3 am in order to terrorise them whether its things like trashing their homes, damaging their possessions, pulling their blankets off, showing up in their face or doing it to them in their dreams, etc. I'm just wondering if it possible to do such a thing as I may have some very evil or malicious people in my life currently, thanks.

I do not have their address but possibly some of their names and photos of them. They've been causing me trouble for awhile and I've had enough of them being allowed to walk freely with no consequence at all.

I just want to know if its possible to send such an entity of/similar to what I described or a poltergeist to haunt them?

I was going to write a long statement about how awful those questions are etc. But as of late I have come to a sort of enlightenment.

The reason I do what I do Liberator, the reason the Dark Order even exists, is to protect all people from actions, among others, like the one you are contemplating today. Rather than tell you how wrong it is, I honestly believe there is a little good in everyone. I am sure you feel your actions are justified and you're intentions are not dark- who am I to judge you across a computer screen?

I can however, draw a conclusion based upon the actions you have said.

What you are planning to do is wrong. It does not matter what someone did to you or who they are, I want to talk about you.

When you go down that road of cursing people and casting against them in such a manner, it will change you. You won't notice but people around you will. Everything we send out into the universe will come back to us, everything resonates- what do you think you are sending out into the universe by doing this?

I have seen firsthand, in front of my eyes, how terrifying the "harmless haunting" can be, I have seen how it has disturbed people for life.

My second and final point would be this. What right do you have to judge others?

When you cast a spell and say "if X is bad this happens to X etc." you are not leaving it up to the gods etc. There is no perfect judge here, it is what you perceive to be right or wrong. You'll forget about it and wreck this persons life over what?

Tell me honestly that you need to resort to this to defend yourself.

Look, the point I'm making kid is this, don't mess around with things like this. Just like in any other walk of life there are a whole load of dark and dangerous things out there and you will be attracting the wrong attention to yourself. In addition to that you will be dramatically harming not just this person, but all the innocent people around him/her too. Violence (and in my opinion this is a form of violence), will do nothing to solve your problems and you'll only be hurting many people, including yourself, in the process.

I guess I'm just trying to stop you crossing that line that you can't come back from, I have seen many talented, kind magicians who have fallen into that trap- don't be one of them.

If you wish to talk about your issue with me further so I can give you some actually useful and constructive advice, please don't hesitate to PM me, I'd love to help you and show you that there are other ways of dealing with things. [gz] [thumbup]

In fact, I insist, I challenge you to be open minded and let me show you how to solve your problems in a constructive way, how magic can be used to help you, how you can see your end goal through without causing so much harm to those around you.

Will you accept my challenge liberator?

Lucius.

Lucius wrote:I was going to write a long statement about how awful those questions are etc. But as of late I have come to a sort of enlightenment.

The reason I do what I do Liberator, the reason the Dark Order even exists, is to protect all people from actions, among others, like the one you are contemplating today. Rather than tell you how wrong it is, I honestly believe there is a little good in everyone. I am sure you feel your actions are justified and you're intentions are not dark- who am I to judge you across a computer screen?

I can however, draw a conclusion based upon the actions you have said.

What you are planning to do is wrong. It does not matter what someone did to you or who they are, I want to talk about you.

When you go down that road of cursing people and casting against them in such a manner, it will change you. You won't notice but people around you will. Everything we send out into the universe will come back to us, everything resonates- what do you think you are sending out into the universe by doing this?

I have seen firsthand, in front of my eyes, how terrifying the "harmless haunting" can be, I have seen how it has disturbed people for life.

My second and final point would be this. What right do you have to judge others?

When you cast a spell and say "if X is bad this happens to X etc." you are not leaving it up to the gods etc. There is no perfect judge here, it is what you perceive to be right or wrong. You'll forget about it and wreck this persons life over what?

Tell me honestly that you need to resort to this to defend yourself.

Look, the point I'm making kid is this, don't mess around with things like this. Just like in any other walk of life there are a whole load of dark and dangerous things out there and you will be attracting the wrong attention to yourself. In addition to that you will be dramatically harming not just this person, but all the innocent people around him/her too. Violence (and in my opinion this is a form of violence), will do nothing to solve your problems and you'll only be hurting many people, including yourself, in the process.

I guess I'm just trying to stop you crossing that line that you can't come back from, I have seen many talented, kind magicians who have fallen into that trap- don't be one of them.

If you wish to talk about your issue with me further so I can give you some actually useful and constructive advice, please don't hesitate to PM me, I'd love to help you and show you that there are other ways of dealing with things. [gz] [thumbup]

In fact, I insist, I challenge you to be open minded and let me show you how to solve your problems in a constructive way, how magic can be used to help you, how you can see your end goal through without causing so much harm to those around you.

Will you accept my challenge liberator?

Lucius.

You do not understand. The people I am dealing with people are SOCIOPATHS who have even made death threats against me on the phone with relatives. Everytime you report them they will just lie, find an excuse to get away from trouble and there is not much they can do about threats here.

I am not judging from assumption. I am saying this from my experience with them, they manipulate people and have so far attempted it with me and relatives. They are EXTREMELY manipulative, excellent liers even in court and you will only know when you have been with them. Even had someone tell me what they said and had in a plan for me behind my back, it was all full of malice and personal gain. I experienced the manipulation myself and have also been targetted by other sociopaths once a few in a lifetime.

I would have missed the old times that were described in history when manipulation would not take you anywhere and against manipulative people full of malice you could just go in and prove to them using force not to mess with you.

I already had/have forgiven them countless times but recently I learned they are sociopaths and will use it as even more of an opportunity. Calling me "retarded" for trusting + forgiving them continuously with somebody else I know on the phone.

I am merely delivering the appropriate retributory punishment on them for their malice/wrongdoings. Hopefully they will be learn or be broken by it, no longer able to manipulate and continue it anymore.

To be cautious however I want to make it that the being will only torment them when sent if it has detected that they have infact done something wrong incase by a 1% chance its somehow "not what I think". This is also a matter of security/safety.

I wouldn't recommend you use an entity for this, the kind of entity you are asking for are the Dark Dead and extremely hard to work with. You should only really ever use those entities for very serious offenses. We are talking about dealing with child molesters, murderers, very dangerous individuals like that. Not for teaching a two-bit sociopath a lesson.

Although unlike Lucius I have no objection to using them when utmost required, I will echo that using them does have an effect on you. Even using the dark dead to perform such an action requires you to shield yourself from their energies which are obviously not particularly pleasant, and there is a risk theyll infect you and your home. Especially if the guardian spirits of that power think you are misusing it and withdraw their protective powers.

I have a basic variant of the Tanglefoot charm which I adapted, that can bind such a person so they are no longer a nuisance when correctly performed.

If you are interested, ill gladly fix the PDF up and PM you with it. I sent it to a friend in a local pagan group, and it worked for her, albeit it needing reinforcing down the road due to the targets resistance.

Sypheara wrote:I wouldn't recommend you use an entity for this, the kind of entity you are asking for are the Dark Dead and extremely hard to work with. You should only really ever use those entities for very serious offenses. We are talking about dealing with child molesters, murderers, very dangerous individuals like that. Not for teaching a two-bit sociopath a lesson.

Although unlike Lucius I have no objection to using them when utmost required, I will echo that using them does have an effect on you. Even using the dark dead to perform such an action requires you to shield yourself from their energies which are obviously not particularly pleasant, and there is a risk theyll infect you and your home. Especially if the guardian spirits of that power think you are misusing it and withdraw their protective powers.

I have a basic variant of the Tanglefoot charm which I adapted, that can bind such a person so they are no longer a nuisance when correctly performed.

If you are interested, ill gladly fix the PDF up and PM you with it. I sent it to a friend in a local pagan group, and it worked for her, albeit it needing reinforcing down the road due to the targets resistance.

Actually they have attempted to plan murder such as by poisoning the food of my relatives over a decade ago in order to acquire property/money when inviting which we were informed of, talked about doing it as well as planning to "get rid of me". They were caught talking about it in report but not much was done. My relatives did not bother to collect much evidence at that time(Very Foolish I know) and focused on evading it, while I couldn't do much cause of age.

Which is why they've asked me for my address and etc, make very weird requests and etc.

I need them to be dealt with before they become a threat again or further threat. They are/were POTENTIAL murderers but not so far, and their intentions are driven by mainly greed, jealously and hatred. Which is why I feel angry and unsafe cause of them.

Explain the Dark Dead btw? Is it possible to make it that they will only go hurt them if they infact are doing something wrong?

The Dark Dead are a varied lot, so at risk of generalising a brief explanation would be mainly two distinct categories from what ive worked with and seen.

Firstly, the human types, or once were human. Ghosts of Murderers, the murdered, the burned, the drowned, the devoured, the insane and the lost. All those spirits that are not able to move on and become earthbound, slowly but surely disintegrating.

Then there are spirits of death that are related to these spheres, who have never incarnated, daemons that are the textbook case of soul sucking leaches of negation.

Try a lesser hex first, of binding them the fuck out of your life, then move up from there if it proves ineffective. I wouldn't recommend escalating to 200% before that is attempted first.

Sypheara wrote:The Dark Dead are a varied lot, so at risk of generalising a brief explanation would be mainly two distinct categories from what ive worked with and seen.

Firstly, the human types, or once were human. Ghosts of Murderers, the murdered, the burned, the drowned, the devoured, the insane and the lost. All those spirits that are not able to move on and become earthbound, slowly but surely disintegrating.

Then there are spirits of death that are related to these spheres, who have never incarnated, daemons that are the textbook case of soul sucking leaches of negation.

Try a lesser hex first, of binding them the fuck out of your life, then move up from there if it proves ineffective. I wouldn't recommend escalating to 200% before that is attempted first.

I've thought about binding but I'm worried they might track me down etc, try something again one day and for some reason when I've tried binding on some other people in my life it did not work. For potential murderers if I must resort to getting help from the dark dead do you think the spirits of the murdered type would be the best to use?

If you want to do that work its long and involved, and highly demanding. Its literal blood and sacrifice work.

It would depend on what you want to afflict your target with. Most of them will cause serious effects, possibly even death. They can be constrained, and unleashed, under specific sets of circumstances, but are difficult to control so you must be prepared for the fallout if they decide to go 'to far' which they will inevitably try to.

The murdered would work, but id personally use one of the insane dead for the kind discord you want to cause. The vampiric death spirits are also possible to use, and are very saturnine in how they work.

If the binding spell is done properly they should not be able to track you down nor interfere with you in any manner, hence why it is 'binding' spell. If its ineffective, and see evidence of that it can be reinforced with further malefica.

If you agree to first perform the binding spell, and to pursue other methods first, I will reluctantly ask the powers that be if its suitable to release the actual working to you and for guidance as to whether this is the correct approach if it proves to be ineffective. They might suggest another way of going about this.

Ill also It is not wise to let these people push you into a reactionary course of action but instead find the method most appropriate to dealing with them.

Sypheara wrote:If you want to do that work its long and involved, and highly demanding. Its literal blood and sacrifice work.

It would depend on what you want to afflict your target with. Most of them will cause serious effects, possibly even death. They can be constrained, and unleashed, under specific sets of circumstances, but are difficult to control so you must be prepared for the fallout if they decide to go 'to far' which they will inevitably try to.

The murdered would work, but id personally use one of the insane dead for the kind discord you want to cause. The vampiric death spirits are also possible to use, and are very saturnine in how they work.

If the binding spell is done properly they should not be able to track you down nor interfere with you in any manner, hence why it is 'binding' spell. If its ineffective, and see evidence of that it can be reinforced with further malefica.

If you agree to first perform the binding spell, and to pursue other methods first, I will reluctantly ask the powers that be if its suitable to release the actual working to you and for guidance as to whether this is the correct approach if it proves to be ineffective. They might suggest another way of going about this.

Ill also It is not wise to let these people push you into a reactionary course of action but instead find the method most appropriate to dealing with them.

What do the murdered basically do, are capable of and how would they treat targetted people who are potential murderers or attempted it since thats how they died? Also what kind of "fallout" is there if they do go too far?

The murdered are those spirits who have had their lives cut short through the actions of another. The majority are either highly vengeful, melancholic or both, wandering aimlessly. They can be forced onto a target to attach causing at best feelings of intense depression, potentially leading to suicide or madness. This begins to affect the target in dreamingstate usually but quickly escalates to working on the physical plane. At worst they can manifest as poltergeist phenomena as you describe, and cause very physical injury, cuts, scratches etc on the flesh.

How they treat the target is down to that particular spirit, each is an individual so generalising with them is like generalising about people. It depends entirely on that spirits nature, which its specific manner of death and how death process itself usually massively affects. Some are much more intelligent than others, but all of them are quite deranged in one way or another.

The fallout is that your target could literally liquefy through some horrific disease. Ive heard of and felt evidence of this kind of intense malefica when its been taken to its maximum conclusion. Others are your targets are likely to be attacked by the dead as well - even those just in the general area if the wording of the command isnt specific and they are not bound correctly which they absolutely have to be.

Unlike talking to chthonic daemons or 'normal' ghosts, these guys have to be treated with the appropriate caution the damage they can do. Lucius has hinted at that in his own post.

As per PM, ill see what i can come up when i have the time this weekend.

The danger in pointing this kind of malefic intent at someone is that you're really pointing it mostly at yourself. Remember that the limbic brain functions through mirror cells, parts of the brain responsible for projecting ourselves into others. The representational world of day-to-day life is comprised of a combination of sense perceptions, memories, and expectations. The person you're perceiving as "them" is no more them than any of the characters which populate your dreams, which your brain also manufactures. These people you want to punish so badly are actually elements of your own identity which you have projected onto them as a means of allowing you to feel empathy -- a homunculus. Deliberately inflicting direly malevolent Will at what you believe is "them" is actually self-destructive, targeting yourself.

PoisonPen wrote:The danger in pointing this kind of malefic intent at someone is that you're really pointing it mostly at yourself. Remember that the limbic brain functions through mirror cells, parts of the brain responsible for projecting ourselves into others. The representational world of day-to-day life is comprised of a combination of sense perceptions, memories, and expectations. The person you're perceiving as "them" is no more them than any of the characters which populate your dreams, which your brain also manufactures. These people you want to punish so badly are actually elements of your own identity which you have projected onto them as a means of allowing you to feel empathy -- a homunculus. Deliberately inflicting direly malevolent Will at what you believe is "them" is actually self-destructive, targeting yourself.

But I am talking about people in reality.

Liberator wrote:But I am talking about people in reality.

No, you really aren't.

I apologise, I couldn't help myself.

Seriously though no, he is on about real people, who are intent on causing harm. You can go on about mirror neurons all you like, it doesnt stop other people from existing and having goals of their own.

One can go into the philosophy of mental modelling in regards to creating mental models to SIMULATE what those people are going to do, but at the end of the day, the basic truth is that they are external agents acting towards a goal.

Which in this case, is causing harm of some sort. Physical, real harm, like poisoning.

PoisonPen wrote:

Liberator wrote:But I am talking about people in reality.

No, you really aren't.

I mean real people* I do not mean in my dreams. Actual people in my life who I no longer live with but continue to attempt manipulation by asking for strange requests which could be used by them to gain money in court, sometimes even threats through phone.

They are external agents acting towards a goal. They have a will of their own, real people. Why did they actually attempt harm and still do so?

Sypheara wrote:

I apologise, I couldn't help myself.

Seriously though no, he is on about real people, who are intent on causing harm. You can go on about mirror neurons all you like, it doesnt stop other people from existing and having goals of their own.

One can go into the philosophy of mental modelling in regards to creating mental models to SIMULATE what those people are going to do, but at the end of the day, the basic truth is that they are external agents acting towards a goal.

Which in this case, is causing harm of some sort. Physical, real harm, like poisoning.

Question about the banishment spell. What if you do not know the appearance of some of those who pose a threat to you?