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Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:59 am
by kingastray
I have recently converted to satanism for a variety of reasons. Let me start off by saying I became an atheist in 2013 and a satanist in 2014. I was a "Christian" prior to my conversion. I was born into it. I hated it. My parents pressured me into being baptized at a young age. I have been studying demonology and reading through old grimoires for the past couple months. I truly believe I am ready to go through the process of evoking or invoking my first being. I have been practicing meditation and smaller, easier rituals every chance I get to try and build affinity with the demons. I have not done any specific rituals to a certain being quite yet, though. I feel as if I am ready, and I would prefer evocation as I hear it is "safer" for the person performing it. I am aware of what could happen, as I have put a lot of research into it, and this is not a hasty decision. I am certain that this is the route I want to go. I just need some help and advice on what to do next. How do I go about evoking a demon? I have had visuals and encounters with them before while smoking weed, along with a few while I was completely sober.
I am new to this forum, and if I left any questions unanswered, please let me know!
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~Thank you!~

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:49 am
by Desecrated
Get either "into the hermetics" or "modern magick". Do 2 years of training and then you'll be prepared to start with a 6 months program to summon a demon safely.

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:20 am
by cyberdemon
Never, ever, ever, do anything occult-related when under the influence (especially as a beginner). That is all I'll say for now.

Edit:

Like Desecrated said, 2 years + 6 months of pure training is about the adequate preparation required. Doesn't mean you won't get results if you did anything now, though, although you'll be vastly under prepared and in danger of causing manifestations that will be highly taxing on your life's "storyline".

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:04 pm
by corvidus
kingastray wrote:I truly believe I am ready to go through the process of evoking or invoking my first being [. . .] How do I go about evoking a demon?
If you were actually ready, you wouldn't need to ask this question. Study more, reflect on the natural world, meditate on the metaphysical laws governing the natural world; and as they say, "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear."

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:27 pm
by kingastray
cyberdemon wrote:Never, ever, ever, do anything occult-related when under the influence (especially as a beginner). That is all I'll say for now.

Edit:

Like Desecrated said, 2 years + 6 months of pure training is about the adequate preparation required. Doesn't mean you won't get results if you did anything now, though, although you'll be vastly under prepared and in danger of causing manifestations that will be highly taxing on your life's "storyline".
Yeah I completely agree. It was similar to sleep paralysis. I fell asleep and woke up, and barely could move. I couldn't get up no matter what I did. Sleep paralysis were both occasions on which I saw the demons, another was when I had done a hard drug, so I think it may have been a hallucination (this occasion was around ten years ago). It was a complete dark essence. I remember seeing it in my doorway, that was all. I could feel it gazing into me. It had no face nor eyes, only an outline of a figure. However, I just had that deep feeling it was staring at me.
I'm all sober now anyhow, and I am serious about my training.
~Thank you for your reply~

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:27 pm
by kingastray
Desecrated wrote:Get either "into the hermetics" or "modern magick". Do 2 years of training and then you'll be prepared to start with a 6 months program to summon a demon safely.
Do the books include all the necessary training that I will be going through for the next two years?
~Thank you for your reply~

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:38 pm
by kingastray
corvidus wrote:
kingastray wrote:I truly believe I am ready to go through the process of evoking or invoking my first being [. . .] How do I go about evoking a demon?
If you were actually ready, you wouldn't need to ask this question. Study more, reflect on the natural world, meditate on the metaphysical laws governing the natural world; and as they say, "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Yeah, I realize I jumped way ahead and skipped important steps in my training. However, I am serious about it and will read any books necessary to be prepared. I am willing to completely start over as well, if I need to relearn meditation or do some more basic rituals I can do that, no problem.
~Thank you for your reply~

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:54 pm
by corvidus
kingastray wrote:if I need to relearn meditation or do some more basic rituals I can do that, no problem.
It wont be so much as needing to 'relearn' things, but adapting what you have learned in the past to new practices for the future, as well as updating or destroying old 'truths' to conform with new experience. Keep the mind open and fluid, because the biggest hindrance in any training/practice is taking it too seriously and trying to advance too rapidly. It keeps you from calming your mind and deepening your meditative states.

good luck though.

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:13 pm
by cyberdemon
What do you wish to gain after making contact?

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:07 pm
by Desecrated
kingastray wrote:
Desecrated wrote:Get either "into the hermetics" or "modern magick". Do 2 years of training and then you'll be prepared to start with a 6 months program to summon a demon safely.
Do the books include all the necessary training that I will be going through for the next two years?
~Thank you for your reply~
A book rarely gives you the whole picture, but it should be a good enough blueprint for you to figure out the missing parts.
Everyone is different and individual, so what exactly works for me might not exactly work for you, but having a roadmap will get both of us on target most of the time, even if we drive a bit different.

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:18 am
by kingastray
cyberdemon wrote:What do you wish to gain after making contact?
That is one part I am unsure about, with good reason. Some of my readings did inform me that a demon would ask for something in return for the "favor" they grant you. I am not exactly sure what I would want, because I'm not sure what you can wish for, and since I am not ready to evoke a demon yet, it would most likely change by the time I was ready. However, I would like to know: what are some common "favors" people ask their first evocation, and what is typically asked for in return? I know this can vary person to person, but a basis would be nice.

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:19 am
by kingastray
Desecrated wrote:
kingastray wrote:
Desecrated wrote:Get either "into the hermetics" or "modern magick". Do 2 years of training and then you'll be prepared to start with a 6 months program to summon a demon safely.
Do the books include all the necessary training that I will be going through for the next two years?
~Thank you for your reply~
A book rarely gives you the whole picture, but it should be a good enough blueprint for you to figure out the missing parts.
Everyone is different and individual, so what exactly works for me might not exactly work for you, but having a roadmap will get both of us on target most of the time, even if we drive a bit different.
Ah, I see. Thank you for the help, I plan on starting whichever I can find first this week. I appreciate your recommendations!

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:20 am
by kingastray
corvidus wrote:
kingastray wrote:if I need to relearn meditation or do some more basic rituals I can do that, no problem.
It wont be so much as needing to 'relearn' things, but adapting what you have learned in the past to new practices for the future, as well as updating or destroying old 'truths' to conform with new experience. Keep the mind open and fluid, because the biggest hindrance in any training/practice is taking it too seriously and trying to advance too rapidly. It keeps you from calming your mind and deepening your meditative states.

good luck though.
Thank you!

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:07 pm
by cyberdemon
kingastray wrote:
cyberdemon wrote:What do you wish to gain after making contact?
That is one part I am unsure about, with good reason. Some of my readings did inform me that a demon would ask for something in return for the "favor" they grant you. I am not exactly sure what I would want, because I'm not sure what you can wish for, and since I am not ready to evoke a demon yet, it would most likely change by the time I was ready. However, I would like to know: what are some common "favors" people ask their first evocation, and what is typically asked for in return? I know this can vary person to person, but a basis would be nice.
I think it's a misconception that a demon will actually ask and/or barter. A demon or a force will simply give and take. When I got into ritual summoning I made sure the written-part of the ritual (the contract) clearly stated I wanted everything to happen under the Law Of Equivalent Exchange. This universal law is one's guardian in all magickal matters. If you leave it out, your contract serves as just a statement of intent and not as a proper set of boundaries. What kind of things do demons take? In general, they have want for nothing when they are +1 or more over humans on level, and they have want for a lot if they are -1 or lower.

You need to understand this part as much as you can. When you cause a demon to bring something into your life whether it is a material object or an achievement or a favour, there will be an appropriate backlash which can be part of or the whole of the exchange. These are real life things. I'll try to give you a simple example but it won't be accurate since it's just an example. I don't want to give out real-life example right now from my end 'cause those are personal matters.

Suppose you ask for an event to happen which brings a certain person closer to you in your life. The reaction may be that this person is nothing of what you imagined, or that your other people don't appreciate them at all, or they do something that disrupts your life, or something well out of nowhere happens and your dog dies, or worse, acts forever different because it has become possessed.

What do people ask for from higher powers? The olden fools used to ask for riches, money, fame and so on. It's said that many current day celebrities have "made deals with the devil" for their luxury. On the other hand people pray to higher powers for help in their everyday endeavours. Some receive them. It changes on a person-to-person basis.

The current most powerful and most modern set of sigils in existence come with the specific warning that they should not be used unless in times of extreme emergencies. That means you should not pursue this for pleasure, but you should give it a shot when you are in a desperate situation. Does it mean that demons have limited resources? Maybe. Does it mean that there is a limited number of demons? Of course, same with the number of humans. Either way, it is a guideline to not invite into your life a factor that you do not truly need in your own storyline.

Re: Evocation of a Demom

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:58 pm
by kingastray
cyberdemon wrote:
kingastray wrote:
cyberdemon wrote:What do you wish to gain after making contact?
That is one part I am unsure about, with good reason. Some of my readings did inform me that a demon would ask for something in return for the "favor" they grant you. I am not exactly sure what I would want, because I'm not sure what you can wish for, and since I am not ready to evoke a demon yet, it would most likely change by the time I was ready. However, I would like to know: what are some common "favors" people ask their first evocation, and what is typically asked for in return? I know this can vary person to person, but a basis would be nice.
I think it's a misconception that a demon will actually ask and/or barter. A demon or a force will simply give and take. When I got into ritual summoning I made sure the written-part of the ritual (the contract) clearly stated I wanted everything to happen under the Law Of Equivalent Exchange. This universal law is one's guardian in all magickal matters. If you leave it out, your contract serves as just a statement of intent and not as a proper set of boundaries. What kind of things do demons take? In general, they have want for nothing when they are +1 or more over humans on level, and they have want for a lot if they are -1 or lower.

You need to understand this part as much as you can. When you cause a demon to bring something into your life whether it is a material object or an achievement or a favour, there will be an appropriate backlash which can be part of or the whole of the exchange. These are real life things. I'll try to give you a simple example but it won't be accurate since it's just an example. I don't want to give out real-life example right now from my end 'cause those are personal matters.

Suppose you ask for an event to happen which brings a certain person closer to you in your life. The reaction may be that this person is nothing of what you imagined, or that your other people don't appreciate them at all, or they do something that disrupts your life, or something well out of nowhere happens and your dog dies, or worse, acts forever different because it has become possessed.

What do people ask for from higher powers? The olden fools used to ask for riches, money, fame and so on. It's said that many current day celebrities have "made deals with the devil" for their luxury. On the other hand people pray to higher powers for help in their everyday endeavours. Some receive them. It changes on a person-to-person basis.

The current most powerful and most modern set of sigils in existence come with the specific warning that they should not be used unless in times of extreme emergencies. That means you should not pursue this for pleasure, but you should give it a shot when you are in a desperate situation. Does it mean that demons have limited resources? Maybe. Does it mean that there is a limited number of demons? Of course, same with the number of humans. Either way, it is a guideline to not invite into your life a factor that you do not truly need in your own storyline.
Yeah, I agree with you. Your experience is personal, thank you for explaining it for me. Right now, I was thinking about just having a better connection with the demons and my lord. There are a few things I would like, but I agree with you on they should mainly be used only when needed (i.e. Emergencies) as well. Thank you for all the help, I truly appreciate it. I plan to stay active on this forum as much as possible, so I'll make my best attempt to keep you all filled in as my training progresses. If I need any help, I'll try to ask one of you, if that is okay.