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Can anyone help me out with magical squares and using them? I have a very poor copy of the book ( like my version of the magus) spelling errors , hard to read font etc. Thanks

If you can be more specific, I'll see what I can find. Magic Squares are found among diverse cultures and groups, so, knowing more about the nature of your inquiry would help to narrow down the search.

ST_Cyprian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:10 pm Can anyone help me out with magical squares and using them? I have a very poor copy of the book ( like my version of the magus) spelling errors , hard to read font etc. Thanks

I have a friend with a copy. Let me know if there is something specific you'd like discussed or decoded.

I am looking at how to activate the squares in general; as well their construction. I gather that spirits, demons and angels perform the tasks. But my copy misses how to get them to obey the squares.

ST_Cyprian wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:51 pm I am looking at how to activate the squares in general; as well their construction. I gather that spirits, demons and angels perform the tasks. But my copy misses how to get them to obey the squares.

OK, I'll see what I can find.

I found this. It looks to be an authentic example:





Regarding the other questions; those are foundational. While I could answer them from my own lineage, I would prefer to research further what is in the Aber--Melin and answer from that context and perspective.

ST_Cyprian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:10 pm Can anyone help me out with magical squares and using them? I have a very poor copy of the book ( like my version of the magus) spelling errors , hard to read font etc. Thanks

Which version are you reading? I am looking at the MacGregor-Mathers translation, third printing, 1948.

Have you read chapters 2 and 3 of the 2nd book? Do you agree to what is written there?

Chapter 2 is titled:

WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER BEFORE UNDERTAKING
THIS OPERATION.
We have already said what is the Science...

Chapter 3 is titled:

OF THE AGE AND QUALITY OF THE PERSON WHO
WISHETH TO UNDERTAKE THIS OPERATION.
In order to describe the aforesaid...

Do you need me to send you copies of those pages?

I have the Mathers edition as well, but it was made from a poor printing company and it’s filled with missing letters and misspellings. F’s are S’s are on example. I would welcome the chapter pages sent.

Magic Squares


The types of magic squares are varied. Some called kameas are a special case magic square used for creating sigils. The square is constructed as a 3X3 matrix where each individual row, column, or diagonal adds up to 15 : row 1 : 4, 9, 2; row 2 : 3, 5, 7; row 3 : 8, 1, 6; column 1 : 4, 3, 8; so on and so forth - all 9 numbers together add up to 45.

You take the name of the power you wish to evoke/invoke; if it is written in English then you would translate to Hebrew/Enochian and gematria is the process referred in converting that alphabet to its numerical equivalents. Numbers larger than 9 may be reduced to their theosophic equivalents by adding together the individual digits that comprise the number. If the number is still too large then repeat the process.

The first number is found on the square and a line will be drawn between that and the position of the second number, and then between the 2nd and 3rd, so on and so forth. Once completed you have the sigil for the power in question. To finish you add a small circle to where you began drawing the sigil from, and another where the drawing was ended.

After that, do whatever you want with it. If it was me I would probably just print it out and affix it somewhere in my ritual space. Some might make amulets/talismans with it to have on their person; some might charge them with sexual energy/meditation.

Other magic squares are pre-made and their function depends on their construction.

Hebrew is read from right to left so I suppose you might want to reverse the order when drawing on the square.

I just read that the Abramelin uses the word magic squares and not the numbered ones.

ST_Cyprian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:56 pm I have the Mathers edition as well, but it was made from a poor printing company and it’s filled with missing letters and misspellings. F’s are S’s are on example. I would welcome the chapter pages sent.

Private message sent. Please let me know if you have trouble with the scans.

Spida wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 3:00 pm Hebrew is read from right to left so I suppose you might want to reverse the order when drawing on the square.

Hee... I would have said the opposite.

Ziran wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:08 pm

Spida wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 3:00 pm Hebrew is read from right to left so I suppose you might want to reverse the order when drawing on the square.

Hee... I would have said the opposite.

It makes sense that you would draw it on the square the same way it's read.

I don't think those types of squares are relevant to what he's doing anyway.

Spida wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:10 pm
It makes sense that you would draw it on the square the same way it's read.

Right, how is it being read AND understood, by the one who is making it. same question for the one who will be gazing at it. or possessing it?

When it is being crafted, is the maker's intellectual investment, like you described, including a mental directive: "reverse order, reverse the order, reverse the order..." while the letters are being written? There's a lot more to this than just putting the correct letter in the correct position in an array. That's just writing something.

And are the hebrew letters actually being used? or are english letters being used but written in reverse?

I would probably use Hebrew names and convert to numerical and begin on the right and work towards the left( the way it's read) when drawing on the square; extracting just the sigil portion of the operation, but this is heading in a different direction than the Abramelin.

Spida wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:06 pm this is heading in a different direction than the Abramelin.

indeed.

The original post wasn't very explicit and since I'm not very well versed with the Abramelin I just started writing about magic squares in general. I'd even be inclined to just use the Hebrew font all by itself printed out big and bold landscape orientation.

Spida wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:29 pm The original post wasn't very explicit and since I'm not very well versed with the Abramelin I just started writing about magic squares in general. I'd even be inclined to just use the Hebrew font all by itself printed out big and bold landscape orientation.

From what I'm reading in the book there is an entire process of "initiation" perscribed by the author which is required before the squares can be attempted for practical purposes.

Ziran wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:04 pm

Spida wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:29 pm The original post wasn't very explicit and since I'm not very well versed with the Abramelin I just started writing about magic squares in general. I'd even be inclined to just use the Hebrew font all by itself printed out big and bold landscape orientation.

From what I'm reading in the book there is an entire process of "initiation" perscribed by the author which is required before the squares can be attempted for practical purposes.

Yeah that sounds about right. Isn't the primary function of the Abramelin to invoke the HGA?

Spida wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:35 pm Yeah that sounds about right. Isn't the primary function of the Abramelin to invoke the HGA?

I'm reading that as an HGA, not the HGA. Each person has their own. It's a Mazel. Technically a Mahzawl. מזל . Mem-Zayin-Lamed. A specific type of angel. Mem = pouring, Zayin = scepter, Lamed is connecting it to above. It would be individual scepters of God's divine providence which is bestowed on each and every "thing" that exists.

From Midrash Rabah B'reisheet 10:6

אָמַר רַבִּי סִימוֹן אֵין לְךָ כָּל עֵשֶׂב וְעֵשֶׂב, שֶׁאֵין לוֹ מַזָּל בָּרָקִיעַ שֶׁמַּכֶּה אוֹתוֹ, וְאוֹמֵר לוֹ גְּדַל, הֲדָא הוּא

Says Rabbi Simon: "There isn't a single herb or spice that doesn't have a מַזָּל in the firmaments that smacks it and tells it to grow."

Then they go on to talk about different mazalot ( mazel plural ) in the heavens. It's become common to associate the constellations with the mazalot, but, that's not exactly how it was originally intended. I always enjoy it when non-believers wish someone a "Mazel Tov"... and I think to myself "you just praised an angel. "Good angel, good job." "Mazel-Tov".

So there's a process of initiation where the practioner makes contact with their Mazel, their HGA and maintains contact.

I do recall some confusion in terminology from several years ago with respect to HGA, Holy Guardian Angel, Higher Guardian Angel, or just simply guardian angel, and Crowley issued some sort of warning with respect to this.

I recall there is a "guardian angel" attached to individuals at birth, and I have felt at times that something was intervening in my own life to avoid likely negative outcomes; with others it might seem their GA is on hiatus or never assigned to begin with.

And as far as the other two, I recall thinking about this a few years ago and thinking that HGA was an acronym for higher guardian angel (the higher self), and likely the one referenced in the Abramelin. The other: Holy Guardian Angel is either synonymous with that or it means something different.

At around the same time I also briefly entertained this idea that Holy Guardian Angels might serve as some form of protector of the holy trinity, sort of like guardians at the gate and maybe the "gate" is symbolic of the abyss which renders another interpretation of HGA: Holy Guardians (of the/at the) Abyss.

Some of this sounds a bit crazy I know, and it really isn't a part of the path I'm currently heading down.

Spida wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:17 pm Some of this sounds a bit crazy I know, and it really isn't a part of the path I'm currently heading down.

It doesn't sound crazy to me.

Spida wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:17 pm with others it might seem their GA is on hiatus or never assigned to begin with.

True or not, right or wrong, if the author is devout-Jewish ( what's written strongly suggests they are ) then they would believe that everything that exists has an angel, technically a chain of angels in a troop, a host, going all they way up. Nothing is excluded from this... Rocks, trees, E-flat-minor, what ever it is, has its friendly-neighborhood-Mazel which is at the end of the chain, the "tip-of-the-spear" so to speak. And then depending on a person's actions this Mazel is drawn-down or it is pushed-away. So, according to this author, I'm not saying they're correct, just that I would suggest, that everyone and everything has a Mazel assigned, with one or two exceptions.

Regarding the Mazel missing in action, that gets very tricky. It could be a result of their actions or not. In a way this seems unfair, and in a way it is. But it's also very fair. In theory, if there was a one-to-one perfect symmetry, good deed produces good fruit, bad deed produces bad fruit, then people would be judged based on what is apparent and obvious and not on the content of their character.

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Here is another example I found:

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