Original post: AJAtheMetastasis
As any true follower of the Yi Ching knows: The *hexagrams* point the way. But it is the internal *sage* who gives the answer. I have been a practitioner of the Yi Ching for nearly 20 yrs. and the advice this system provides is amazing. Of all the systems of divination that have been created by man-kind I find the Yi Ching the most profound. "It is a system of magick, ritual, and philosophy, all wrapped up into one."
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Original post: Harmonic_Order
Somebody at my company's Xmas party bought me a gift card for a bookstore. Now I have a new copy of R.L. Wing's apparently-new translation of the I Ching, complete with paintings for each hex. I feel excited about this; his workbook has a synthesis, a comprehensive compilation of "takes" on the I Ching. Now I have his translation, well, wow. I feel like a kid with a new game system.
"Well don't you have any goals? Where do you want to go with your career?"
You know, I don't know. And I don't care. But "once I get into the ways of the Gods, won't I make this planet hop." --AC
Somebody at my company's Xmas party bought me a gift card for a bookstore. Now I have a new copy of R.L. Wing's apparently-new translation of the I Ching, complete with paintings for each hex. I feel excited about this; his workbook has a synthesis, a comprehensive compilation of "takes" on the I Ching. Now I have his translation, well, wow. I feel like a kid with a new game system.
"Well don't you have any goals? Where do you want to go with your career?"
You know, I don't know. And I don't care. But "once I get into the ways of the Gods, won't I make this planet hop." --AC
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Original post: m1thr0s
Someone mentioned running lines and how to determine priorities within multiple lines etc. The Wilhelm/Baynes translation does a pretty good job of explaining all of this. Every hexagram has both a "ruler" and a "constituting ruler" line and these take precedent over the other lines in the event of multiple running lines. In general, ones FIRST hexagram is still the principle response and the changing hexagram outlines the direction it may be leaning. To the best of my knowledge, the use of running lines came in with Duke Chou (or the so-called King Wen) who instituted the "outer world arrangement" and a system of mathematics to justify and define it. Based upon this new arrangement, coins also became the favored method of divination since the mathematics he employed are easily deduced using 3 coins for every line constructed.
It is debateable whether or not the yarrow system involved running lines traditionally as the record is essentially obliterated. China had its book-burning periods the same as the West and the I Ching came under fire numerous times throughout history. But the basic mathematics of the yarrow stalks (from what we do know at least) would seem to allow for the possibility of running lines, depending upon how they are counted. Other systems, such as the Tai Hsuan Ching do not employ these running lines because they are not a "binary" but rather a ternary mathematics. Running lines only occur in a true binary mathematical system...The third "directive" force lurks behind the scene in the binary whereas it comes front and center in the ternary. It would take some time to demonstrate this effectively...With coins it's very easy to determine running lines. Yins have a standing value of 2 and Yangs=3. Coin tosses will always add up to either 6, 7, 8 or 9 of which 6 and 9 will always be 3 of a kind, or "running" lines. To get the same thing in Yarrow Stalks you need only devise a way to get a remainder of 2 or 3 at the end (counting ANY odd remainders as 3 and ANY even remainders as 2 for instance) and count 3 times for each line so our numbers will exactly parallel that of coins. I only point out that it CAN be done. Whether it was or not is anyone's best guess at this point...
As a matter of interest, the shift towards coins also signalled a shift towards mathematical precision that may not always have been deemed so important in previous eras. Historians tell us that prior to King Wen's time it was not uncommon that local townships would each have their own versions of the I Ching - not all of them including all 64 characters for instance and in other instances duplicating certain "favorites" in the mix. So the whole heuristic shifted over to a more universal standard under King Wen that may have earmarked a cultural step towards a more scientific way of thinking in general...
I hope that's not too oblique an explanation...
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Somehow I never knew this about you Aja...no wonder we seem to be on the same page on so many issues...I quite agree...The I Ching is a great deal more than people generally suspect it is.As any true follower of the Yi Ching knows: The *hexagrams* point the way. But it is the internal *sage* who gives the answer. I have been a practitioner of the Yi Ching for nearly 20 yrs. and the advice this system provides is amazing. Of all the systems of divination that have been created by man-kind I find the Yi Ching the most profound. "It is a system of magick, ritual, and philosophy, all wrapped up into one."
Someone mentioned running lines and how to determine priorities within multiple lines etc. The Wilhelm/Baynes translation does a pretty good job of explaining all of this. Every hexagram has both a "ruler" and a "constituting ruler" line and these take precedent over the other lines in the event of multiple running lines. In general, ones FIRST hexagram is still the principle response and the changing hexagram outlines the direction it may be leaning. To the best of my knowledge, the use of running lines came in with Duke Chou (or the so-called King Wen) who instituted the "outer world arrangement" and a system of mathematics to justify and define it. Based upon this new arrangement, coins also became the favored method of divination since the mathematics he employed are easily deduced using 3 coins for every line constructed.
It is debateable whether or not the yarrow system involved running lines traditionally as the record is essentially obliterated. China had its book-burning periods the same as the West and the I Ching came under fire numerous times throughout history. But the basic mathematics of the yarrow stalks (from what we do know at least) would seem to allow for the possibility of running lines, depending upon how they are counted. Other systems, such as the Tai Hsuan Ching do not employ these running lines because they are not a "binary" but rather a ternary mathematics. Running lines only occur in a true binary mathematical system...The third "directive" force lurks behind the scene in the binary whereas it comes front and center in the ternary. It would take some time to demonstrate this effectively...With coins it's very easy to determine running lines. Yins have a standing value of 2 and Yangs=3. Coin tosses will always add up to either 6, 7, 8 or 9 of which 6 and 9 will always be 3 of a kind, or "running" lines. To get the same thing in Yarrow Stalks you need only devise a way to get a remainder of 2 or 3 at the end (counting ANY odd remainders as 3 and ANY even remainders as 2 for instance) and count 3 times for each line so our numbers will exactly parallel that of coins. I only point out that it CAN be done. Whether it was or not is anyone's best guess at this point...
As a matter of interest, the shift towards coins also signalled a shift towards mathematical precision that may not always have been deemed so important in previous eras. Historians tell us that prior to King Wen's time it was not uncommon that local townships would each have their own versions of the I Ching - not all of them including all 64 characters for instance and in other instances duplicating certain "favorites" in the mix. So the whole heuristic shifted over to a more universal standard under King Wen that may have earmarked a cultural step towards a more scientific way of thinking in general...
I hope that's not too oblique an explanation...
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Crowley gives a description of the I-Ching as the 'Chinese system of Magick', not just a method of divination.I would be very interested in hearing some interpretations of appeals to the I-Ching earlier in the thread regarding John Kerry. The interpretations were wrong, Kerry did not win.
Crowley gives a description of the I-Ching as the 'Chinese system of Magick', not just a method of divination.I would be very interested in hearing some interpretations of appeals to the I-Ching earlier in the thread regarding John Kerry. The interpretations were wrong, Kerry did not win.
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Original post: m1thr0s
To begin with, Treading is NOT a victory report for a challenger. Treading reveals the Trigrams of Heaven Above and The Joyous (Lake) below and it denotes a situation in which the weaker force "treads" upon the status of the greater force above and essentially gets away with it...but does NOT overturn the greater force itself. To the extent that the weaker force conducts itself correctly, it does NOT get destroyed for its actions and thus progress is considered to have emerged from the interplay. This is very different from a situation such as hexagram 23 where the weak force flat out overturns the stronger....
Kerry achieved more than he is given credit for. Bush's so-called "mandate" turns out to be one of the weakest political mandates in US history and barely 2 months after the election current polls indicate that 60% of Americans now believe that Iraq was a bad move on his part...and these numbers are still climbing...some "mandate". It's true that Bush's victory was also a victory for the Republican party itself but as many have pointed out, now it's up to the Republican party to demonstrate that it can actually LEAD this nation...which it has not successfully demonstrated in recent memory...
Kerry put the whole nation on red alert with respect to Bush and his henchmen and this needed to be done. Rumsfeld may not last a full quarter under the new regime and a lot of other top officials have already bailed. So-called Homeland Security is beginning to look like a Fantasyland Fiasco and all is not such a rosy picture at the top just now.
So Treading was a good call...it was just interpreted incorrectly...In one sense, the I Ching can be seen to be taking a jab at the American political machinery in general with this response, since Treading is generally viewed as a kind of joke on the governing system at large, like the Fools of old making fun of the King and getting away with it according to their station and/or the common consensus of the people. It has not responded with a more sobering type of response but rather a sort of "that's showbiz" type of answer...
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To begin with, Treading is NOT a victory report for a challenger. Treading reveals the Trigrams of Heaven Above and The Joyous (Lake) below and it denotes a situation in which the weaker force "treads" upon the status of the greater force above and essentially gets away with it...but does NOT overturn the greater force itself. To the extent that the weaker force conducts itself correctly, it does NOT get destroyed for its actions and thus progress is considered to have emerged from the interplay. This is very different from a situation such as hexagram 23 where the weak force flat out overturns the stronger....
Kerry achieved more than he is given credit for. Bush's so-called "mandate" turns out to be one of the weakest political mandates in US history and barely 2 months after the election current polls indicate that 60% of Americans now believe that Iraq was a bad move on his part...and these numbers are still climbing...some "mandate". It's true that Bush's victory was also a victory for the Republican party itself but as many have pointed out, now it's up to the Republican party to demonstrate that it can actually LEAD this nation...which it has not successfully demonstrated in recent memory...
Kerry put the whole nation on red alert with respect to Bush and his henchmen and this needed to be done. Rumsfeld may not last a full quarter under the new regime and a lot of other top officials have already bailed. So-called Homeland Security is beginning to look like a Fantasyland Fiasco and all is not such a rosy picture at the top just now.
So Treading was a good call...it was just interpreted incorrectly...In one sense, the I Ching can be seen to be taking a jab at the American political machinery in general with this response, since Treading is generally viewed as a kind of joke on the governing system at large, like the Fools of old making fun of the King and getting away with it according to their station and/or the common consensus of the people. It has not responded with a more sobering type of response but rather a sort of "that's showbiz" type of answer...
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I agree with what M. has posted. I tend to look at my results from readings in broad contexts. Though sometimes I find the I-Ching makes considerably specific and explicit readings on more mundane subjects. Almost to the point of being exact.
I very much enjoy how the system evolves itself much like the Qabalah. It leads one along further than the question you ask of it, if you are observant enough to see where it is tugging you.
I agree with what M. has posted. I tend to look at my results from readings in broad contexts. Though sometimes I find the I-Ching makes considerably specific and explicit readings on more mundane subjects. Almost to the point of being exact.
I very much enjoy how the system evolves itself much like the Qabalah. It leads one along further than the question you ask of it, if you are observant enough to see where it is tugging you.
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Original post: Harmonic_Order
Man, I tell you what. I Ching behaves like any other whole world belief scheme, in that you get out of it what you put into it. As a devout practitioner of questionable and dubious religio/philosophical proposals, I find that belief finds its best application as a tool. The more I apply the brain-wave of belief to I Ching, the more I enter a more I Chinglische zeitgeist. Any fool could tell me that this book gives a reading like a fortune cookie. But that Dweller at the Threshold only endures for so long... to enter the trance of the guys who followed this book unquestioningly, I have to behave as if it told the Final Absolute Truth. More, I have to tell myself that it does this. Then things change; once I accept that Mind only has 64 fundamental transitions, I can strive toward the Taoist ideal through I Ching. In other words, as long as I stare into the lion's eyes, i can taste the candy. Dig? And I also have to make excuses and allowances for its inconsistencies. If you believed wholeheartedly in a religion, wouldn't you make excuses for it? So I do that. And I would do that for any religio/philosophical system I wished to explore. I got that from RAW and Crowley, true pioneers in the field of psychology.
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Man, I tell you what. I Ching behaves like any other whole world belief scheme, in that you get out of it what you put into it. As a devout practitioner of questionable and dubious religio/philosophical proposals, I find that belief finds its best application as a tool. The more I apply the brain-wave of belief to I Ching, the more I enter a more I Chinglische zeitgeist. Any fool could tell me that this book gives a reading like a fortune cookie. But that Dweller at the Threshold only endures for so long... to enter the trance of the guys who followed this book unquestioningly, I have to behave as if it told the Final Absolute Truth. More, I have to tell myself that it does this. Then things change; once I accept that Mind only has 64 fundamental transitions, I can strive toward the Taoist ideal through I Ching. In other words, as long as I stare into the lion's eyes, i can taste the candy. Dig? And I also have to make excuses and allowances for its inconsistencies. If you believed wholeheartedly in a religion, wouldn't you make excuses for it? So I do that. And I would do that for any religio/philosophical system I wished to explore. I got that from RAW and Crowley, true pioneers in the field of psychology.
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Original post: m1thr0s
Whereas the historical judgements and commentaries and so on may follow a kind of religious theme in their own way, it is good to bear in mind that the I Ching is a geomantic biofeedback enginery not quite like any other ever devised. It taps the DNA matrix itself in some unseen way (see DNA and the I Ching by Johnson F Yan) and therefor approximates what Leary and others have referred to as DNA Consciousness directly. So, quite unlike a fortune cookie, the responses we derive are uniquely personal in all instances. It is also good to cross-reference the I Ching in as many ways as possible to be ever on the alert to higher layers of this ongoing Knowledge & Conversation. The 6 lines of the hexagram readily correspond to the 6 chakras aligned to the body proper (the 7th hovers above) just as an aside, and there are many ways to integrate various 4=5 elemental systems etc. Therefor, the wholer meaning of the trigrams and subsequent hexagrams is NOT a finished book by any means. This book is being written and rewritten all the time...
I mention these things because it is otherwise an undeniable fact that taken only at surface value, there are certain built-in limitations to the language we find in the I Ching itself. There is a great deal of moralizing and there are attitudes towards women etc that may not always sit especially well with us in the present. It is good to be aware that the mathematical enginery and the historical interpretations of the I Ching are separate variables of which only the former is inherently pure and ultimately infallible. Be that as it may, I find it is still perfectly possible to work effectively within these historical guidelines and it can only broaden the depth of our understandings that we also be aware of what limitations may potentially exist and why. The Book of Changes is a book of exploration that evolves as we evolve and this is just one of its justifiably powerful attractions.
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Whereas the historical judgements and commentaries and so on may follow a kind of religious theme in their own way, it is good to bear in mind that the I Ching is a geomantic biofeedback enginery not quite like any other ever devised. It taps the DNA matrix itself in some unseen way (see DNA and the I Ching by Johnson F Yan) and therefor approximates what Leary and others have referred to as DNA Consciousness directly. So, quite unlike a fortune cookie, the responses we derive are uniquely personal in all instances. It is also good to cross-reference the I Ching in as many ways as possible to be ever on the alert to higher layers of this ongoing Knowledge & Conversation. The 6 lines of the hexagram readily correspond to the 6 chakras aligned to the body proper (the 7th hovers above) just as an aside, and there are many ways to integrate various 4=5 elemental systems etc. Therefor, the wholer meaning of the trigrams and subsequent hexagrams is NOT a finished book by any means. This book is being written and rewritten all the time...
I mention these things because it is otherwise an undeniable fact that taken only at surface value, there are certain built-in limitations to the language we find in the I Ching itself. There is a great deal of moralizing and there are attitudes towards women etc that may not always sit especially well with us in the present. It is good to be aware that the mathematical enginery and the historical interpretations of the I Ching are separate variables of which only the former is inherently pure and ultimately infallible. Be that as it may, I find it is still perfectly possible to work effectively within these historical guidelines and it can only broaden the depth of our understandings that we also be aware of what limitations may potentially exist and why. The Book of Changes is a book of exploration that evolves as we evolve and this is just one of its justifiably powerful attractions.
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Original post: syzygy
Has anyone read "The Tao of I Ching" by Jou Tsung Hwa? I just finished it and got a lot out of it. It has a brief history of how it was put together and the concepts behind it. It also explains a method of divination I hadn't heard of before called the Hsien Tien method, which uses the year, month, day, and hour of the event in question to get the hexagrams. I used my birthday and it fit quite nicely for who I am and what I am currently going through. It also contains a translation complete with ancient wood block prints. Check it out.
Has anyone read "The Tao of I Ching" by Jou Tsung Hwa? I just finished it and got a lot out of it. It has a brief history of how it was put together and the concepts behind it. It also explains a method of divination I hadn't heard of before called the Hsien Tien method, which uses the year, month, day, and hour of the event in question to get the hexagrams. I used my birthday and it fit quite nicely for who I am and what I am currently going through. It also contains a translation complete with ancient wood block prints. Check it out.
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Original post: Zaii
I just threw some coins, and my question was "How can I go about finding the right martial arts teacher for myself?" as I've just recently put down my studies in my previous martial art (ninjutsu) and am seeking a new one. I've been leaning looking into Jeet Kune Do and Jun Fan Gung Fu, but i'm keeping my options open.
Here was the reading:
INNOCENCE
Innocence brings exceptional progress. There is an advantage in correct progress. If someone does not act appropriately, it would be a mistake. There is no advantage in moving toward a goal.
The arousing (thunder) rolls under the creative (heaven) aligning all of matter with its natural state of Innocence. The ancient rulers, therefore, made a strong and proper alignment with the times, thus nourishing the outside world.
"The time demands an alignment with the flow of the cosmos. This adjustment must be made before furhter action is taken, otherwise you will begin to make mistakes. When actions that seem perfectly reasonable and cleverly planned are executed, they will end in difficulty and confusion. In order to harmonize your actions with the cosmos it will be necesarry to adopt an attitude of Innocence. Examine your motives. They will be the cause of your problems. This is a time for acting without conscious prupose, without ulterior motive, and with complete rectitude. Do not aspire to be rewarded for your actions, nor direct them cunningly toward personal advancement. Act innocently and react spontaneously.
The path to your goal is now an indirect path. You must rely on your principles and inner virture rather than clever strategies. This will not lead you away from success-on the contrary, Innocence with spontaneity will bring creativity to many areas of your life.
It is important to keep in mind that laws of the cosmos are divine and do not neccesarily follow the desires of man. Therefore, when acting in Innocence, you will also experience the unexpected, the exceptional, the unpredictable. Be prepared for a surprising turn of events. What occurs will stimulate new ideas, even if at first this seems unnerving or full of complications."
The second, fourth, fifth, and sixth lines of this reading were changing lines, and they read as follows:
2 - Do not dream about the results of yoru work or the attainment of your goal. Instead, devote your full attention to what you are now doing. Only in this way can you achieve your aim.
4 - Do not be influenced by the designs of those around you. If you trust your inner vision you will make no mistakes.
5 - What may appear as an unfortunate turn of events has internal causes. External remedies will not solve the problem. Let nature take its course. The solution will come of itself.
Here's the real kicker
6 - Even innocent actions will create chaos. Do not attempt anything new, or try to improve upon your surroundings. Do not do anything at all.
(what???)
The second hexagram read as follows
PROMOTION
Promotion begins in exceptional progress. There is an advantage in correct persistence. When the eigth month comes there will be misfortune.
Receptivity (earth) borders upon fullness (lake) from above forming the condition for Promotion. An enlightened person, therefore, is inexhaustible in his willingness to teach and without limit in his support of others.
The Chinese correlated this hexagrama to the end of winter and the very beginning of spring. Like the sprout of a new plant shooting forth its first burst of creative activity, you can now make you first positive advancements toward the attainment of your goal. You will be able to skillfully influence and support others. It would be wise however, to address yourself to the concerns of those around you, thus consolidating your position.
This tremendously positive time will not last forever, so you must use it to its best advantage. The original text states: "When the eight month comes there will be misfortune." This refers to the decline of autumn, which lies unavoidable ahead. Therefore you should make the most of your spring of power and optimism to prepare yourself for the natural cycle of decline.
There is now a dynamic emphasis on inner growth. Physical and spiritual strength will be enhanced as you sense a Promotion into new worlds of Self realization. Try to develop a permanent perspective of the confidence you are now experiencing to guide you through upcoming confusion or depression.
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Does anyone have any interpretation to offer? Thanks in advance.
I just threw some coins, and my question was "How can I go about finding the right martial arts teacher for myself?" as I've just recently put down my studies in my previous martial art (ninjutsu) and am seeking a new one. I've been leaning looking into Jeet Kune Do and Jun Fan Gung Fu, but i'm keeping my options open.
Here was the reading:
INNOCENCE
Innocence brings exceptional progress. There is an advantage in correct progress. If someone does not act appropriately, it would be a mistake. There is no advantage in moving toward a goal.
The arousing (thunder) rolls under the creative (heaven) aligning all of matter with its natural state of Innocence. The ancient rulers, therefore, made a strong and proper alignment with the times, thus nourishing the outside world.
"The time demands an alignment with the flow of the cosmos. This adjustment must be made before furhter action is taken, otherwise you will begin to make mistakes. When actions that seem perfectly reasonable and cleverly planned are executed, they will end in difficulty and confusion. In order to harmonize your actions with the cosmos it will be necesarry to adopt an attitude of Innocence. Examine your motives. They will be the cause of your problems. This is a time for acting without conscious prupose, without ulterior motive, and with complete rectitude. Do not aspire to be rewarded for your actions, nor direct them cunningly toward personal advancement. Act innocently and react spontaneously.
The path to your goal is now an indirect path. You must rely on your principles and inner virture rather than clever strategies. This will not lead you away from success-on the contrary, Innocence with spontaneity will bring creativity to many areas of your life.
It is important to keep in mind that laws of the cosmos are divine and do not neccesarily follow the desires of man. Therefore, when acting in Innocence, you will also experience the unexpected, the exceptional, the unpredictable. Be prepared for a surprising turn of events. What occurs will stimulate new ideas, even if at first this seems unnerving or full of complications."
The second, fourth, fifth, and sixth lines of this reading were changing lines, and they read as follows:
2 - Do not dream about the results of yoru work or the attainment of your goal. Instead, devote your full attention to what you are now doing. Only in this way can you achieve your aim.
4 - Do not be influenced by the designs of those around you. If you trust your inner vision you will make no mistakes.
5 - What may appear as an unfortunate turn of events has internal causes. External remedies will not solve the problem. Let nature take its course. The solution will come of itself.
Here's the real kicker
6 - Even innocent actions will create chaos. Do not attempt anything new, or try to improve upon your surroundings. Do not do anything at all.
(what???)
The second hexagram read as follows
PROMOTION
Promotion begins in exceptional progress. There is an advantage in correct persistence. When the eigth month comes there will be misfortune.
Receptivity (earth) borders upon fullness (lake) from above forming the condition for Promotion. An enlightened person, therefore, is inexhaustible in his willingness to teach and without limit in his support of others.
The Chinese correlated this hexagrama to the end of winter and the very beginning of spring. Like the sprout of a new plant shooting forth its first burst of creative activity, you can now make you first positive advancements toward the attainment of your goal. You will be able to skillfully influence and support others. It would be wise however, to address yourself to the concerns of those around you, thus consolidating your position.
This tremendously positive time will not last forever, so you must use it to its best advantage. The original text states: "When the eight month comes there will be misfortune." This refers to the decline of autumn, which lies unavoidable ahead. Therefore you should make the most of your spring of power and optimism to prepare yourself for the natural cycle of decline.
There is now a dynamic emphasis on inner growth. Physical and spiritual strength will be enhanced as you sense a Promotion into new worlds of Self realization. Try to develop a permanent perspective of the confidence you are now experiencing to guide you through upcoming confusion or depression.
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Does anyone have any interpretation to offer? Thanks in advance.
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Original post: SubtleEnergies
I have been studying the I CHing for a while now.
I don't use any form of divination, I study it and apply it. I believe the hexagram sequence is significant. Also that the boolean results for the lines can be determined by me since how I view the situation is probably a significant factor in determining my situation. Also, actually coming to an understanding of energies represented by the trigrams/ hexagrams is of a great help.
I also tend to find the I Ching not as an oracle giving me mysterious knowledge that I never would have know, rather, it tends to be a tool for bringing out the knowledge that's already in me. I meet it half way and together we examine me in my situation.
I would be interested in talking to anyone who aproaches the I Ching, or is interested in approaching it in a similar manner to me.
I have been studying the I CHing for a while now.
I don't use any form of divination, I study it and apply it. I believe the hexagram sequence is significant. Also that the boolean results for the lines can be determined by me since how I view the situation is probably a significant factor in determining my situation. Also, actually coming to an understanding of energies represented by the trigrams/ hexagrams is of a great help.
I also tend to find the I Ching not as an oracle giving me mysterious knowledge that I never would have know, rather, it tends to be a tool for bringing out the knowledge that's already in me. I meet it half way and together we examine me in my situation.
I would be interested in talking to anyone who aproaches the I Ching, or is interested in approaching it in a similar manner to me.
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Original post: Dracophoenix
I Ching is THe Book of Changes. Yes it can be used for divination in the sence of seeing possile outcomes for the future. I use the I Ching in many ways. Divination is one f many uses I have for the I Ching. To better understand situations and the why of things changing as well as in majik are a couple other reasons as well. But these aren't the only reasons I use the I Ching. Depending on what I'm using the I Ching for will determine my approach on using it. I see the I Ching as a tool with countless applicatons and approaches to using.
I Ching is THe Book of Changes. Yes it can be used for divination in the sence of seeing possile outcomes for the future. I use the I Ching in many ways. Divination is one f many uses I have for the I Ching. To better understand situations and the why of things changing as well as in majik are a couple other reasons as well. But these aren't the only reasons I use the I Ching. Depending on what I'm using the I Ching for will determine my approach on using it. I see the I Ching as a tool with countless applicatons and approaches to using.
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Original post: DragonScholar
I've been studying the I Ching for some time, and have begun studying the Trigrams and their associations in detail. I was wondering if people could indicate any resources on Trigram symbolism and association that seem reliable historically.
I have seen discussions of the trigrams associated with such things as sense functions, organs of the body, the Eight Immortals, and soforth, but am curious as to where such associations come from.
I've been studying the I Ching for some time, and have begun studying the Trigrams and their associations in detail. I was wondering if people could indicate any resources on Trigram symbolism and association that seem reliable historically.
I have seen discussions of the trigrams associated with such things as sense functions, organs of the body, the Eight Immortals, and soforth, but am curious as to where such associations come from.
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Original post: MysteryMan
Can anyone suggest to me a good translation aside from the Wilhelm one?
FSEM
Can anyone suggest to me a good translation aside from the Wilhelm one?
FSEM
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Original post: Qaexl
Thomas Cleary's translations.
Qaexl
Thomas Cleary's translations.
Qaexl
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Original post: Dracophoenix
I think that my mom has a copy from Llewlyn because the old copy she had for over 20 years started falling apart but I'm not sure who translated her old copy. I don't think it was
Wilhemn. I was taught the I-Ching when I lived in Chinatown so I'd be no good to helping you with a decent translated copy.
I think that my mom has a copy from Llewlyn because the old copy she had for over 20 years started falling apart but I'm not sure who translated her old copy. I don't think it was
Wilhemn. I was taught the I-Ching when I lived in Chinatown so I'd be no good to helping you with a decent translated copy.
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Original post: palindroem
I've been using The Illistrated I-Ching and The I-Ching Workbook, both by R. L. Wing.
There very good, and between the two provide a nice breath of scope.
Honestly, I've never really been satisfied with either Wilhelms or Baynes work. It's just me, but I do find that someone that IS of the culture has an intuitive presentation of the classic text that can't really be otherwise provided.
Jan Fries also has some interesting ideas in Living Midnight.
(not a suggestion, but Duquettes new book Ordinary Oracles has a funny take on the commentaries . . . the oracle of Mi Lo :lol: )
I've been using The Illistrated I-Ching and The I-Ching Workbook, both by R. L. Wing.
There very good, and between the two provide a nice breath of scope.
Honestly, I've never really been satisfied with either Wilhelms or Baynes work. It's just me, but I do find that someone that IS of the culture has an intuitive presentation of the classic text that can't really be otherwise provided.
Jan Fries also has some interesting ideas in Living Midnight.
(not a suggestion, but Duquettes new book Ordinary Oracles has a funny take on the commentaries . . . the oracle of Mi Lo :lol: )
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
Here are some links I have been using daily for the past few moons:
The IChing Oracle - reads your fortune and is very very accurate. Wai Kahan is in the machines!
Wikipedia:
Article on Fu Xi
Article on The Lo Shu Square
Article on the I Ching
Mutational Alchemy:
Wilhelm Online Version (easy lookup for using the 001 Tree Fields mirrors)
The Book of Mirrors m1's site...doot doot doot
discussion area for The Book of Mirrors
Here are some links I have been using daily for the past few moons:
The IChing Oracle - reads your fortune and is very very accurate. Wai Kahan is in the machines!
Wikipedia:
Article on Fu Xi
Article on The Lo Shu Square
Article on the I Ching
Mutational Alchemy:
Wilhelm Online Version (easy lookup for using the 001 Tree Fields mirrors)
The Book of Mirrors m1's site...doot doot doot
discussion area for The Book of Mirrors
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Original post: Wolf Spider
"Don't push the River", although considered a quote from Taoist thinking, is to me also an I Ching type statement. Beyond the wall of mud lies the Tiger awaiting
the dawn of Sun's rising. Respectfully, Wolf Spider
"Don't push the River", although considered a quote from Taoist thinking, is to me also an I Ching type statement. Beyond the wall of mud lies the Tiger awaiting
the dawn of Sun's rising. Respectfully, Wolf Spider
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
and that black mirror you had that you threw out
jesus fucking christ do you know how much I could use those right now mom
i can't believe I didn't read the i ching when you gave me a copyWolf Spider;287344 wrote:"Don't push the River", although considered a quote from Taoist thinking, is to me also an I Ching type statement. Beyond the wall of mud lies the Tiger awaiting
the dawn of Sun's rising. Respectfully, Wolf Spider
and that black mirror you had that you threw out
jesus fucking christ do you know how much I could use those right now mom
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I used it a couple of times, and if applied to the gnosis state practiced by chaotes, the result is incredibly accurate in foreseeing near future events. just ask your question and toss the coin and you'll see what to do and when to do it to obtain the maximum advantage.
A: I think pigeons will rule the world with their advanced technology
B: naaaaaah!!! I'm not bored enough to do that
B: naaaaaah!!! I'm not bored enough to do that