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My goal is to garner enough to power to kill an individual through spells. I need help on where to get started. If someone on this board can start me on a path, but specific to my goal. My theory is that with enough focus, I can attain this power.
Does anyone have advice on websites to get all the informatin I need, from meditation techniques, spells, rituals, etc.
Also, is this even possible? Has anyone on here had a spell work (for certain)?
Thanks for any help.
EDIT: Just in case someone thinks I'm 15 y/o girl wanting to get back at an ex, I'm not. I'm an 18 y/o male and I want to use my abilities to their full potential.
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Your intent seems to be placed more within the desire for power to affect, rather than the affect in itself.
...Im just saying, be clear in your true desires. Its more effective. ( I cant stress that enough!)
In _Liber Null_, the section on 'black colored' death magic is a good resource, as are the traditional _Satanic Bible_ sources on destruction .
Magic to cause the death of another individual does indeed work, and it has worked for me personally.
Interestingly enough, it fits kind of into my initial comments to you.
When I threw my curse, all for a good reason, I centered the attack on his pockets which he jingled his coins, which he would jingle after he said he didnt have my money to give me back after he flim flammed me. It was one of the last staws in a list of disrespectful intentions toward me. I'll just call him B.
Later, his pockets and edge of his shirt caught in one of the machines in the woodshop class, and he cut himself pretty bad as well.
I was pleased that I had some results, and felt everything was all good. Plus in a few other minor ways I got my money back when catching him w/ some in a situation where he had to, stuff like that. But as I said, it was over and done with.
A year or so later, the first time I wore my old all black satanic full of regalia, pentagram flailing and all, 10 days before my birthday, he died in a car accident.
His friend, a supposed satanic bisexual, at least thats what he said, never defended me while B and others dissed me for satanism or rumors of my not-so-straightness. While alone with him, he was pretty cool, but I felt he was weak for his cocaine problem, and his rut of weakness besides knowing full well he could become more.
Anyhow, He and B were breaking into their coke dealers house, stole their money and their drugs, and drove off, which turned into a car chase.
At exit 1 on rt 8, the car spun out, and B, a fatass 7ft kid, flew out the back window of the Mazda Miata, apparently pulling down his pants during the journey. He then fell off the bridge smashing the back of his skull, with dollar bills and drugs strewn about his body. His friend faces manslauter charges, especially since he wouldnt fess up to the cops that he even knew him at the scene of the crime. Actually I think he is in a cell perhaps.
Which all fits into my Will in its poetic way, naturally.
I took that as a message of mySelf telling myself that I must become aware of the power that I actually wield if I put forth the effort, which was very important to the person I was at that point, who is both different than the person who threw the curse and the person who writes this today.
Later on, I had a dream where he appeared to me at a common ground where I usually saw the older kids when I was younger who used to intimidate me for no real reason, of course. He told me it was all good, and he was happier for gaining a newer understanding on himSelf, and his existence. Basically that he was fine, and in the end I helped him.
He was aware that in the end, all the choices that affected his life, were his own.
And I have simply Become more.
That was years ago, and no one really has bothered me to the point of my seeking their destruction since then.
B was a nuisance to everyone in his community, and the things he has done to me, he did to alot of people. For me in particular, he had it out for me, since I almost stole his girl, who interestingly enough, was only his because he caught her off the rebound of his best friend, the manslauter guy. I reminded her of him, but with an akward sensitive side, as high school demanded of me.
I look at that situation now like I came in like a whirlwind, gaining personal experiences, and shaking up things that needed to be shook. It helped me come to grips with the side of me that can feel injustice, and the side that sets things right.
When everything panned out, it was when I was no longer as much of a person who had any consequence in whether he sank or swam in his life, or death. But as I said, it came as a pang of awareness, of the power of the Is-To-Be. This was roughly three years ago, when he passed.
His obit. painted him as a good kid, who never did drugs.
I have the newsclippings the prove some of the bad joojoo
http://www.yourct.com/news/2771/
http://www.yourct.com/news/2805/
So, what do you think of the story, I will tell you all a secret about how I conducted the ritual, since I'm in a talky mood.
I basically was your militant LaVeyian type when I threw the curse, so I followed that direction at my personal altar. I drew pictures of what I wanted to happen, and used all my focus and anger to create the catharsis I needed, and is nessesary. I used one of the bastardized Enochian keys as well, available in the Book of Leviathan. I used the one that said something about it being a real bolt of power.
There ya go. I focused on not only my own anger, but drew upon those who collectivally hated him as well, but of course weren't ever able to do something about it. The picture drawing helped alot, as I surrounded it with words of my intent, and scribbled furiously on areas I wanted to affect, as well as words describing it.
I just did what I knew and felt natural to me.
Have a Great Feast 666.
Dan
Your intent seems to be placed more within the desire for power to affect, rather than the affect in itself.
...Im just saying, be clear in your true desires. Its more effective. ( I cant stress that enough!)
In _Liber Null_, the section on 'black colored' death magic is a good resource, as are the traditional _Satanic Bible_ sources on destruction .
Magic to cause the death of another individual does indeed work, and it has worked for me personally.
Interestingly enough, it fits kind of into my initial comments to you.
When I threw my curse, all for a good reason, I centered the attack on his pockets which he jingled his coins, which he would jingle after he said he didnt have my money to give me back after he flim flammed me. It was one of the last staws in a list of disrespectful intentions toward me. I'll just call him B.
Later, his pockets and edge of his shirt caught in one of the machines in the woodshop class, and he cut himself pretty bad as well.
I was pleased that I had some results, and felt everything was all good. Plus in a few other minor ways I got my money back when catching him w/ some in a situation where he had to, stuff like that. But as I said, it was over and done with.
A year or so later, the first time I wore my old all black satanic full of regalia, pentagram flailing and all, 10 days before my birthday, he died in a car accident.
His friend, a supposed satanic bisexual, at least thats what he said, never defended me while B and others dissed me for satanism or rumors of my not-so-straightness. While alone with him, he was pretty cool, but I felt he was weak for his cocaine problem, and his rut of weakness besides knowing full well he could become more.
Anyhow, He and B were breaking into their coke dealers house, stole their money and their drugs, and drove off, which turned into a car chase.
At exit 1 on rt 8, the car spun out, and B, a fatass 7ft kid, flew out the back window of the Mazda Miata, apparently pulling down his pants during the journey. He then fell off the bridge smashing the back of his skull, with dollar bills and drugs strewn about his body. His friend faces manslauter charges, especially since he wouldnt fess up to the cops that he even knew him at the scene of the crime. Actually I think he is in a cell perhaps.
Which all fits into my Will in its poetic way, naturally.
I took that as a message of mySelf telling myself that I must become aware of the power that I actually wield if I put forth the effort, which was very important to the person I was at that point, who is both different than the person who threw the curse and the person who writes this today.
Later on, I had a dream where he appeared to me at a common ground where I usually saw the older kids when I was younger who used to intimidate me for no real reason, of course. He told me it was all good, and he was happier for gaining a newer understanding on himSelf, and his existence. Basically that he was fine, and in the end I helped him.
He was aware that in the end, all the choices that affected his life, were his own.
And I have simply Become more.
That was years ago, and no one really has bothered me to the point of my seeking their destruction since then.
B was a nuisance to everyone in his community, and the things he has done to me, he did to alot of people. For me in particular, he had it out for me, since I almost stole his girl, who interestingly enough, was only his because he caught her off the rebound of his best friend, the manslauter guy. I reminded her of him, but with an akward sensitive side, as high school demanded of me.
I look at that situation now like I came in like a whirlwind, gaining personal experiences, and shaking up things that needed to be shook. It helped me come to grips with the side of me that can feel injustice, and the side that sets things right.
When everything panned out, it was when I was no longer as much of a person who had any consequence in whether he sank or swam in his life, or death. But as I said, it came as a pang of awareness, of the power of the Is-To-Be. This was roughly three years ago, when he passed.
His obit. painted him as a good kid, who never did drugs.
I have the newsclippings the prove some of the bad joojoo
http://www.yourct.com/news/2771/
http://www.yourct.com/news/2805/
So, what do you think of the story, I will tell you all a secret about how I conducted the ritual, since I'm in a talky mood.
I basically was your militant LaVeyian type when I threw the curse, so I followed that direction at my personal altar. I drew pictures of what I wanted to happen, and used all my focus and anger to create the catharsis I needed, and is nessesary. I used one of the bastardized Enochian keys as well, available in the Book of Leviathan. I used the one that said something about it being a real bolt of power.
There ya go. I focused on not only my own anger, but drew upon those who collectivally hated him as well, but of course weren't ever able to do something about it. The picture drawing helped alot, as I surrounded it with words of my intent, and scribbled furiously on areas I wanted to affect, as well as words describing it.
I just did what I knew and felt natural to me.
Have a Great Feast 666.
Dan
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Demons are the best for destruction of enemies invoke suitable demon through any ritual.
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yeah. If you like summoning or having to get some else to do your dirty work.Demons are not free servants to the human race. They will however give you a lil advice:
Do the job yourself,a nd youll be much more satisfied. How do you do this? Practice finding those in your life that re standing in the way of your progress. Infuse this person's aura with negativity, depression general bad luck. Use energy manipulations to look into someones heart chakra, and mess aroud with that If anything, in due time, this person will fall to the wayside due to depression, suicide bad luck, health reasons
the easies way to do this is to fund this persons weakness, guilts or faults (and we all have them, lol) give em enough rope, theyll hang themselves
yeah. If you like summoning or having to get some else to do your dirty work.Demons are not free servants to the human race. They will however give you a lil advice:
Do the job yourself,a nd youll be much more satisfied. How do you do this? Practice finding those in your life that re standing in the way of your progress. Infuse this person's aura with negativity, depression general bad luck. Use energy manipulations to look into someones heart chakra, and mess aroud with that If anything, in due time, this person will fall to the wayside due to depression, suicide bad luck, health reasons
the easies way to do this is to fund this persons weakness, guilts or faults (and we all have them, lol) give em enough rope, theyll hang themselves
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Frankly, you are better off picking up a used copy of Getting Even: The Complete Book of Dirty Tricks by George Hayduke and enjoying a long drawn-out psychological torture.
Frankly, you are better off picking up a used copy of Getting Even: The Complete Book of Dirty Tricks by George Hayduke and enjoying a long drawn-out psychological torture.
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[QUOTE=raincoats]My goal is to garner enough to power to kill an individual through spells. I need help on where to get started. If someone on this board can start me on a path, but specific to my goal. My theory is that with enough focus, I can attain this power.[/QUOTE]
How much power do you think it takes to kills someone? People have died through doing very mundane things.
Jas.
[QUOTE=raincoats]My goal is to garner enough to power to kill an individual through spells. I need help on where to get started. If someone on this board can start me on a path, but specific to my goal. My theory is that with enough focus, I can attain this power.[/QUOTE]
How much power do you think it takes to kills someone? People have died through doing very mundane things.
Jas.
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I could not agree more with this. In both my greatest successess, I knew the target very well personally, and was very motivated to achieve the required result.
Die before death, you also say that things happend a year later for you, when you were doing soemthing else, all dressed up.... This is _very_ similar to one of the two cases I mention, in which it was some time later, on the night on which I collared my new slave in a Satanic collaring ceremony I'd written for the occasion, that my ex-husband drove his motorbike into a tree in fulfillment of the destruction I had previously laid upon him.
hehe I also tend to throw in Anton's version of the 10th key lol.. certainly did for both those two, tho cant say how much more effective that made my workings
As to using someone else to do the work...
Well, in the case of my ex-husband, as you did, I started out with the intention of a fairly standard destruction ritual. lol in the event, once I got into it I just went with how I felt, and I ended up calling Death into the room (who duly came, looking very Pratchett-like actually *giggles* tho minus the horse, of course..wouldn't have fitted in there)..I got a very strong sense not to look at him too directly, simply to send him on his way.. so I did.
And all I can say is that it obviously worked lol.
OK, the other one, I didn't exactly, send anyone, I "went" myself...that is , I slipped into a female demonic form and "visited" my target while he slept. Exact form of this is hard to describe.. I was still in my body but also in that form, still in my room but also with the target in his room. Anywa, I just shagged his brains out, focussing on draining the energy from him and replacing it with all that was vile and corrupt, and on willinghim to die slowly and horribly.
Over the next year, he did just that, with the addition of being locked away as well. (this was a relative who had, beleive me, tried to do something that I felt very justified in wanting him dead for )
Anyway, yeah, I would say it doesnt make much difference if you do it youself or send help...I'd say go for whatever suits you at the time. I'd also say start the ritual with a plan of how you are going to proceed..but if better things present themselves in the process, just go for it.. anything that will get the desired result is good enough for me lol.
Im just saying, be clear in your true desires. Its more effective
I could not agree more with this. In both my greatest successess, I knew the target very well personally, and was very motivated to achieve the required result.
Die before death, you also say that things happend a year later for you, when you were doing soemthing else, all dressed up.... This is _very_ similar to one of the two cases I mention, in which it was some time later, on the night on which I collared my new slave in a Satanic collaring ceremony I'd written for the occasion, that my ex-husband drove his motorbike into a tree in fulfillment of the destruction I had previously laid upon him.
hehe I also tend to throw in Anton's version of the 10th key lol.. certainly did for both those two, tho cant say how much more effective that made my workings
As to using someone else to do the work...
Well, in the case of my ex-husband, as you did, I started out with the intention of a fairly standard destruction ritual. lol in the event, once I got into it I just went with how I felt, and I ended up calling Death into the room (who duly came, looking very Pratchett-like actually *giggles* tho minus the horse, of course..wouldn't have fitted in there)..I got a very strong sense not to look at him too directly, simply to send him on his way.. so I did.
And all I can say is that it obviously worked lol.
OK, the other one, I didn't exactly, send anyone, I "went" myself...that is , I slipped into a female demonic form and "visited" my target while he slept. Exact form of this is hard to describe.. I was still in my body but also in that form, still in my room but also with the target in his room. Anywa, I just shagged his brains out, focussing on draining the energy from him and replacing it with all that was vile and corrupt, and on willinghim to die slowly and horribly.
Over the next year, he did just that, with the addition of being locked away as well. (this was a relative who had, beleive me, tried to do something that I felt very justified in wanting him dead for )
Anyway, yeah, I would say it doesnt make much difference if you do it youself or send help...I'd say go for whatever suits you at the time. I'd also say start the ritual with a plan of how you are going to proceed..but if better things present themselves in the process, just go for it.. anything that will get the desired result is good enough for me lol.
Jas, I would also agree with this.. Yes, it doesn't take so much as the original poster supposes, at least in how I see things.How much power do you think it takes to kills someone? People have died through doing very mundane things.
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Well, I always thought casting spells worked like telepathic/psychic abilities, which take practice to harness and strengthen. You must realize, I've never really read much on this subject, nor have I had much expierence. I was under the impression that this would be a process of "buying x amount of candles, praying x amount of times". I wasn't ignorant in the sense of what Satanism is about and what Satanists believe, but rather, the process of becoming a powerful Satanist.
I've delved into communicating with the supernatural, but that's about it. I also figured, if it was this easy to destroy someone, there'd be more chaos in the world.
I would also like to say, I don't really have any candles, clothes, banners, medallions that relate to Satanism. Is learning the process of the particular spell and having the will sufficient?
Also, I would like to thank the board members that have helped me with tips/advice/books etc.
Well, I always thought casting spells worked like telepathic/psychic abilities, which take practice to harness and strengthen. You must realize, I've never really read much on this subject, nor have I had much expierence. I was under the impression that this would be a process of "buying x amount of candles, praying x amount of times". I wasn't ignorant in the sense of what Satanism is about and what Satanists believe, but rather, the process of becoming a powerful Satanist.
I've delved into communicating with the supernatural, but that's about it. I also figured, if it was this easy to destroy someone, there'd be more chaos in the world.
I would also like to say, I don't really have any candles, clothes, banners, medallions that relate to Satanism. Is learning the process of the particular spell and having the will sufficient?
Also, I would like to thank the board members that have helped me with tips/advice/books etc.
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No-one has mentioned that some people are much more "resistant" to curses than others ...some are so weak that they feel they have been cursed when they haven't been - their own fear and guilt just got to them.
No-one has mentioned that some people are much more "resistant" to curses than others ...some are so weak that they feel they have been cursed when they haven't been - their own fear and guilt just got to them.
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[QUOTE=raincoats]Well, I always thought casting spells worked like telepathic/psychic abilities, which take practice to harness and strengthen.[/QUOTE]
From my experience, the fool's magick is highly potent.
[QUOTE=raincoats]I was under the impression that this would be a process of "buying x amount of candles, praying x amount of times".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=raincoats]I've delved into communicating with the supernatural[/QUOTE]
Did you require a formula for that?
[QUOTE=raincoats]I wasn't ignorant in the sense of what Satanism is about and what Satanists believe, but rather, the process of becoming a powerful Satanist.[/QUOTE]
You know that you didn't mention why you want to kill this 'person'. I wonder whether you intend to do this to 'prove' yourself?
I would rather be powerful; compared to being limited by the power of a Satanist.
[QUOTE=raincoats]I also figured, if it was this easy to destroy someone, there'd be more chaos in the world.[/QUOTE]
There isn't enough?!?
[QUOTE=raincoats]I would also like to say, I don't really have any candles, clothes, banners, medallions that relate to Satanism. Is learning the process of the particular spell and having the will sufficient?[/QUOTE]
Will is all that is required.
Jas.
[QUOTE=raincoats]Well, I always thought casting spells worked like telepathic/psychic abilities, which take practice to harness and strengthen.[/QUOTE]
From my experience, the fool's magick is highly potent.
[QUOTE=raincoats]I was under the impression that this would be a process of "buying x amount of candles, praying x amount of times".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=raincoats]I've delved into communicating with the supernatural[/QUOTE]
Did you require a formula for that?
[QUOTE=raincoats]I wasn't ignorant in the sense of what Satanism is about and what Satanists believe, but rather, the process of becoming a powerful Satanist.[/QUOTE]
You know that you didn't mention why you want to kill this 'person'. I wonder whether you intend to do this to 'prove' yourself?
I would rather be powerful; compared to being limited by the power of a Satanist.
[QUOTE=raincoats]I also figured, if it was this easy to destroy someone, there'd be more chaos in the world.[/QUOTE]
There isn't enough?!?
[QUOTE=raincoats]I would also like to say, I don't really have any candles, clothes, banners, medallions that relate to Satanism. Is learning the process of the particular spell and having the will sufficient?[/QUOTE]
Will is all that is required.
Jas.
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Hadilath, interesting how these things come to completion once we return to a situation that leaves the door unlocked, so to speak, for the unknown to operate.
I have my theories about that, since it doesnt seem we're alone in that experience.
After destructive workings, it wasn't uncommon for myself to find new avenues of initiation involving my positive self growth and change in dreams or in liminal states.
As if I went to a place of power to do something in particular, and when I was thru with that, I stuck around to see what else that place is really all about.
btw, succubus'n a relative to death, my you are indeed a wicked one ;p (plus S&M magic, ... really interesting)
Raincoats, there is no formula, and you dont need to have satanic regalia all over the place unless you are resonant with the satanic ideal and aesthetic, not as simply a prop effect.
My first altar was made of action figures and childhood stuffed animal friends, and I think thats goddamn satanic. ;p
I suggest that you read The Satanic Bible to better understand that. The Satanic Bible will also offer a cookie-cutter destruction ritual as well, if you are so inclined to follow guideline.
Its only 6 bucks, which shouldnt be a problem for anyone. I have a text copy as a reference, and I dont think Id give it to you if you couldnt afford a 6 dollar book or are just not really dedicated to your desire enough to find one on your own. Besides that, in ritual, what is more badass than the Satanic Bible at the table to read out of, rather than simply tasteless printouts.
It will really make these elementery issues pretty clear I hope.
Hadilath, interesting how these things come to completion once we return to a situation that leaves the door unlocked, so to speak, for the unknown to operate.
I have my theories about that, since it doesnt seem we're alone in that experience.
After destructive workings, it wasn't uncommon for myself to find new avenues of initiation involving my positive self growth and change in dreams or in liminal states.
As if I went to a place of power to do something in particular, and when I was thru with that, I stuck around to see what else that place is really all about.
btw, succubus'n a relative to death, my you are indeed a wicked one ;p (plus S&M magic, ... really interesting)
Raincoats, there is no formula, and you dont need to have satanic regalia all over the place unless you are resonant with the satanic ideal and aesthetic, not as simply a prop effect.
My first altar was made of action figures and childhood stuffed animal friends, and I think thats goddamn satanic. ;p
I suggest that you read The Satanic Bible to better understand that. The Satanic Bible will also offer a cookie-cutter destruction ritual as well, if you are so inclined to follow guideline.
Its only 6 bucks, which shouldnt be a problem for anyone. I have a text copy as a reference, and I dont think Id give it to you if you couldnt afford a 6 dollar book or are just not really dedicated to your desire enough to find one on your own. Besides that, in ritual, what is more badass than the Satanic Bible at the table to read out of, rather than simply tasteless printouts.
It will really make these elementery issues pretty clear I hope.
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In all of these stories everyone feels justified.
Justice, will and detachment are needed...as well as complete righteousness in line with the inviolable will of the universe. Nothing can touch you then.
As well as these personal experiences, in my own life I have found that power only comes to those who do not desire it. Desire for vengeance, on the other hand, is dissimilar.
In all of these stories everyone feels justified.
Justice, will and detachment are needed...as well as complete righteousness in line with the inviolable will of the universe. Nothing can touch you then.
As well as these personal experiences, in my own life I have found that power only comes to those who do not desire it. Desire for vengeance, on the other hand, is dissimilar.
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Original post: Kerethial
[QUOTE=Venus666]yeah. If you like summoning or having to get some else to do your dirty work.Demons are not free servants to the human race. They will however give you a lil advice:
Do the job yourself,a nd youll be much more satisfied. How do you do this? Practice finding those in your life that re standing in the way of your progress. Infuse this person's aura with negativity, depression general bad luck. Use energy manipulations to look into someones heart chakra, and mess aroud with that If anything, in due time, this person will fall to the wayside due to depression, suicide bad luck, health reasons
the easies way to do this is to fund this persons weakness, guilts or faults (and we all have them, lol) give em enough rope, theyll hang themselves[/QUOTE]
They are amiable for demands if you fulfill their requests
[QUOTE=Venus666]yeah. If you like summoning or having to get some else to do your dirty work.Demons are not free servants to the human race. They will however give you a lil advice:
Do the job yourself,a nd youll be much more satisfied. How do you do this? Practice finding those in your life that re standing in the way of your progress. Infuse this person's aura with negativity, depression general bad luck. Use energy manipulations to look into someones heart chakra, and mess aroud with that If anything, in due time, this person will fall to the wayside due to depression, suicide bad luck, health reasons
the easies way to do this is to fund this persons weakness, guilts or faults (and we all have them, lol) give em enough rope, theyll hang themselves[/QUOTE]
They are amiable for demands if you fulfill their requests
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Original post: Infidel
Killing people is easy, as most everyone knows. I think you want to kill people without getting caught.
People are trained to catch killers. So, I suppose you have to train yourself to avoid capture.
It is very interesting to read about criminals for me. I find that many have planned out everything, but still get caught. Why is that?
For instance, many bank robbers pick their targets according to location and possible escape routes, know the security and about dye packs and even micro tracers. They still get caught.
On the other hand, there are so many crimes unsolved. They are the ones we rarely hear about, but are surprisingly available for review. Many of them are not worth the time, though. Perhaps, a store was robbed of $75 and no one really cares. It's funny because I've read about stores being robbed by the same guy multiple times in the same month and still no captures.
I think you have to understand the nature of all humans and why we do things. Then, take it to the next level and make absolutely no sense to anyone at all, while being a genius about it.
How does one do that? I suppose having patience, imagination, and knowledge are all key.
And never ever tell anyone about it like me. I talk way too much to be a criminal.
Killing people is easy, as most everyone knows. I think you want to kill people without getting caught.
People are trained to catch killers. So, I suppose you have to train yourself to avoid capture.
It is very interesting to read about criminals for me. I find that many have planned out everything, but still get caught. Why is that?
For instance, many bank robbers pick their targets according to location and possible escape routes, know the security and about dye packs and even micro tracers. They still get caught.
On the other hand, there are so many crimes unsolved. They are the ones we rarely hear about, but are surprisingly available for review. Many of them are not worth the time, though. Perhaps, a store was robbed of $75 and no one really cares. It's funny because I've read about stores being robbed by the same guy multiple times in the same month and still no captures.
I think you have to understand the nature of all humans and why we do things. Then, take it to the next level and make absolutely no sense to anyone at all, while being a genius about it.
How does one do that? I suppose having patience, imagination, and knowledge are all key.
And never ever tell anyone about it like me. I talk way too much to be a criminal.
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ummm... no one is talking about physically getting ones hands dirty in a murder.
ummm... no one is talking about physically getting ones hands dirty in a murder.
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[QUOTE=LadyHydralisk]In all of these stories everyone feels justified.
Justice, will and detachment are needed...as well as complete righteousness in line with the inviolable will of the universe. Nothing can touch you then.
As well as these personal experiences, in my own life I have found that power only comes to those who do not desire it. Desire for vengeance, on the other hand, is dissimilar.[/QUOTE]
There is not a real way to justify this. I mean he's been a long-time friend, that I don't care for anymore. I can have the will and detachment. So can this still be done, or will the curse work 80 years from now
[QUOTE=LadyHydralisk]In all of these stories everyone feels justified.
Justice, will and detachment are needed...as well as complete righteousness in line with the inviolable will of the universe. Nothing can touch you then.
As well as these personal experiences, in my own life I have found that power only comes to those who do not desire it. Desire for vengeance, on the other hand, is dissimilar.[/QUOTE]
There is not a real way to justify this. I mean he's been a long-time friend, that I don't care for anymore. I can have the will and detachment. So can this still be done, or will the curse work 80 years from now
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I like what Venus said about this. Do everything yourself this way and you will have better results. To me, summoning some wraith to do your bidding is too jewish occultic.
yeah. If you like summoning or having to get some else to do your dirty work.Demons are not free servants to the human race. They will however give you a lil advice:
Do the job yourself,a nd youll be much more satisfied. How do you do this? Practice finding those in your life that re standing in the way of your progress. Infuse this person's aura with negativity, depression general bad luck. Use energy manipulations to look into someones heart chakra, and mess aroud with that If anything, in due time, this person will fall to the wayside due to depression, suicide bad luck, health reasons
the easies way to do this is to fund this persons weakness, guilts or faults (and we all have them, lol) give em enough rope, theyll hang themselves
I like what Venus said about this. Do everything yourself this way and you will have better results. To me, summoning some wraith to do your bidding is too jewish occultic.
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[QUOTE=raincoats]There is not a real way to justify this. I mean he's been a long-time friend, that I don't care for anymore. I can have the will and detachment. So can this still be done, or will the curse work 80 years from now[/QUOTE]
LadyHydralisk had an excellent point regarding justice, and I fail to see how you can have the Will if you do not feel justified. It all seems rather pointless to me, Raincoats. What has your friend done to deserve death? More specifically, who in hell gives 'you' the right?
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[QUOTE=raincoats]There is not a real way to justify this. I mean he's been a long-time friend, that I don't care for anymore. I can have the will and detachment. So can this still be done, or will the curse work 80 years from now
[/QUOTE] LadyHydralisk had an excellent point regarding justice, and I fail to see how you can have the Will if you do not feel justified. It all seems rather pointless to me, Raincoats. What has your friend done to deserve death? More specifically, who in hell gives 'you' the right?
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On the demons note, like grim, it always stank of a RHPers way of commiting things available to the LHPer to me. Thats fine for those inclined, but silly to me.
Now it seems you may have fudged up the deal a little rainy, when friends grow apart, it is unclear whether or not they will be reunited. Even so, detachment of any compassion is one thing, but the reserve of a true desire for that will to be done, is a wholly different issue.
If you want to fuck around w/ magic, and see what happens, do a spell that will put yourself into the throws of self change and empowerment, and see if you can deal with a cent of what you want to dish out!
When someone throws a curse, the cursed can do one of two things, die, or become someone else (proxy death)! The powerful magician usually is adept in matters like that, so knows how to sense others stuck in a rut of crappyness, or generally not being on the level.
You will not amass any power until you understand that its first stage is understanding.
On the demons note, like grim, it always stank of a RHPers way of commiting things available to the LHPer to me. Thats fine for those inclined, but silly to me.
Now it seems you may have fudged up the deal a little rainy, when friends grow apart, it is unclear whether or not they will be reunited. Even so, detachment of any compassion is one thing, but the reserve of a true desire for that will to be done, is a wholly different issue.
If you want to fuck around w/ magic, and see what happens, do a spell that will put yourself into the throws of self change and empowerment, and see if you can deal with a cent of what you want to dish out!
When someone throws a curse, the cursed can do one of two things, die, or become someone else (proxy death)! The powerful magician usually is adept in matters like that, so knows how to sense others stuck in a rut of crappyness, or generally not being on the level.
You will not amass any power until you understand that its first stage is understanding.
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I feel like I should probably explain my mission a bit further, to help give a better understanding of my motives.
For the past year, I've been trying to destroy my old-friend through psychological and other various tactics. I've been keeping a journal tracing his development. I did this experiment to learn about the height of my potential and the height of his limits. A rule, I must do all this while we remain friends.
What have I accomplished in a year? He has become more heavily involved with drugs. He has shown strong signs of depression and mental/physical weaknesses. I believe I've started the ball rolling quite efficiently. I'm hoping, however, it can be completed. I've always been interested in spells/supernatural/telekinesis/etc. So, my logical conclusion was to try some sort of fatal curse.
To those that think I'm just fucking around to have some fun, you're completely wrong. I share a lot of beliefs found in Satanism. I've always considered myself a theistic-existentialist and a lot of my principles/morals mirrored views in Satanism(I noticed this when I was doing some research).
I stated in my first post, my motive is not revenge. So, I have no right to kill an individual? Should I have some sort of petty grudge, so you can keep living your life patting yourself on the back for being some sort of karma-medium?
I was planning to exploit the information provided by you guys and report back with results. I was hoping to share expierences/advice/ideas with you guys, not receive a moral lecture.
Can we still do this? Or have I over-stayed my welcome?
I feel like I should probably explain my mission a bit further, to help give a better understanding of my motives.
For the past year, I've been trying to destroy my old-friend through psychological and other various tactics. I've been keeping a journal tracing his development. I did this experiment to learn about the height of my potential and the height of his limits. A rule, I must do all this while we remain friends.
What have I accomplished in a year? He has become more heavily involved with drugs. He has shown strong signs of depression and mental/physical weaknesses. I believe I've started the ball rolling quite efficiently. I'm hoping, however, it can be completed. I've always been interested in spells/supernatural/telekinesis/etc. So, my logical conclusion was to try some sort of fatal curse.
To those that think I'm just fucking around to have some fun, you're completely wrong. I share a lot of beliefs found in Satanism. I've always considered myself a theistic-existentialist and a lot of my principles/morals mirrored views in Satanism(I noticed this when I was doing some research).
I stated in my first post, my motive is not revenge. So, I have no right to kill an individual? Should I have some sort of petty grudge, so you can keep living your life patting yourself on the back for being some sort of karma-medium?
I was planning to exploit the information provided by you guys and report back with results. I was hoping to share expierences/advice/ideas with you guys, not receive a moral lecture.
Can we still do this? Or have I over-stayed my welcome?
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[QUOTE=raincoats]I was planning to exploit the information provided by you guys and report back with results. I was hoping to share expierences/advice/ideas with you guys, not receive a moral lecture.[/QUOTE]
Who is giving you a moral lecture?
[QUOTE=raincoats]Can we still do this? Or have I over-stayed my welcome?[/QUOTE]
We?
[QUOTE=raincoats]some sort of fatal curse[/QUOTE]
That seems to be about the size of it.
Jas.
[QUOTE=raincoats]I was planning to exploit the information provided by you guys and report back with results. I was hoping to share expierences/advice/ideas with you guys, not receive a moral lecture.[/QUOTE]
Who is giving you a moral lecture?
[QUOTE=raincoats]Can we still do this? Or have I over-stayed my welcome?[/QUOTE]
We?
[QUOTE=raincoats]some sort of fatal curse[/QUOTE]
That seems to be about the size of it.
Jas.
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Its like you are finding a way to express your power thru his suffering, and without him, how would you know you are powerful anymore?
I find it best to work a magic like that once one is fully detached, not only emotionally, but altogether, from the other person. The reason for this is that it doesnt make sense to have a revulsion about somebodies existence yet still hang out and bullshit with them.
Whatever floats your boat though I suppose, anything is possible, but thats just what I think.
On the other hand, why not choose a human for sacrifice who is just wasting life anyhow? One would at least gain the amusement of the operation that would be more worthy than the continuance of a borish person. right?
What you are doing just doesnt seem rational, but I suppose thats not such a huge issue. Nobody here is interested in karma, most likely, its about logic and the force of desire behind an intent.
Look, it doesnt take alot of imagination to figure out how some of these things go down, especially if you are in close proximity, ... hairs, clothing, pictures, soil from his yard, his half eaten sandwich, a variety of tools are all around you if you just take the time.
Then again, you could just get him involved in a fudged up drug deal and get him shot or jailed.
Like I said before, you are tied to him in a way now it seems, if you like your way of operating with him in little by little curses or whatever, fine, enjoy that. But if you would like to dispose of him altogether, maybe you should already have another victim lined up so you could just do a big curse against your buddy and then switch off to the next guy. That doesnt mean you have to break your friendship rule. After the big badass curse, just be his friend, get your mind set on the new victim and enjoy your old buddies company for what its worth, then maybe something'll happen.
Over all it seems your preferences would be better suited for psychic vampirism or S&M rather than regular old satanism.
One more thing, you said he does drugs now, hang out with him while he is on a psychedelic and simply tell him you cursed him and have sealed his fate. That one is bound to be good. haha
Well, I could only theorize that his death would have to come at some cost to you personally, because it seems that he is still a big part of your life in a way.raincoats wrote:For the past year, I've been trying to destroy my old-friend through psychological and other various tactics. I've been keeping a journal tracing his development. I did this experiment to learn about the height of my potential and the height of his limits. A rule, I must do all this while we remain friends.
What have I accomplished in a year? He has become more heavily involved with drugs. He has shown strong signs of depression and mental/physical weaknesses. I believe I've started the ball rolling quite efficiently. I'm hoping, however, it can be completed. I've always been interested in spells/supernatural/telekinesis/etc. So, my logical conclusion was to try some sort of fatal curse.
Its like you are finding a way to express your power thru his suffering, and without him, how would you know you are powerful anymore?
I find it best to work a magic like that once one is fully detached, not only emotionally, but altogether, from the other person. The reason for this is that it doesnt make sense to have a revulsion about somebodies existence yet still hang out and bullshit with them.
Whatever floats your boat though I suppose, anything is possible, but thats just what I think.
okTo those that think I'm just fucking around to have some fun, you're completely wrong. I share a lot of beliefs found in Satanism. I've always considered myself a theistic-existentialist and a lot of my principles/morals mirrored views in Satanism(I noticed this when I was doing some research).
Petty grudge, no, major one, yes.I stated in my first post, my motive is not revenge. So, I have no right to kill an individual? Should I have some sort of petty grudge, so you can keep living your life patting yourself on the back for being some sort of karma-medium?
On the other hand, why not choose a human for sacrifice who is just wasting life anyhow? One would at least gain the amusement of the operation that would be more worthy than the continuance of a borish person. right?
What you are doing just doesnt seem rational, but I suppose thats not such a huge issue. Nobody here is interested in karma, most likely, its about logic and the force of desire behind an intent.
I was planning to exploit the information provided by you guys and report back with results. I was hoping to share expierences/advice/ideas with you guys, not receive a moral lecture.
Can we still do this? Or have I over-stayed my welcome?
Look, it doesnt take alot of imagination to figure out how some of these things go down, especially if you are in close proximity, ... hairs, clothing, pictures, soil from his yard, his half eaten sandwich, a variety of tools are all around you if you just take the time.
Then again, you could just get him involved in a fudged up drug deal and get him shot or jailed.
Like I said before, you are tied to him in a way now it seems, if you like your way of operating with him in little by little curses or whatever, fine, enjoy that. But if you would like to dispose of him altogether, maybe you should already have another victim lined up so you could just do a big curse against your buddy and then switch off to the next guy. That doesnt mean you have to break your friendship rule. After the big badass curse, just be his friend, get your mind set on the new victim and enjoy your old buddies company for what its worth, then maybe something'll happen.
Over all it seems your preferences would be better suited for psychic vampirism or S&M rather than regular old satanism.
One more thing, you said he does drugs now, hang out with him while he is on a psychedelic and simply tell him you cursed him and have sealed his fate. That one is bound to be good. haha
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Can I have a good idea of exactly what is done/said during this sort of ritual. Let's say I have my memento or whatever. Where do I from there?
Can I have a good idea of exactly what is done/said during this sort of ritual. Let's say I have my memento or whatever. Where do I from there?
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At this point, what you are doing is spell begging. tsk tsk.
How exactly did you claim all these magical successes if you cant even figure that out, or if it comes to that, cant even find a copy of The Satanic Bible which is the easiest and most elementary source on the topic.
This is my last post on this thread, this is were my entertainment ends and so I could only continue on this thread if this is where my compassion for you begins, and it doesnt, and wont.
All of my quality advice wasted, ;p oh well hehe
At this point, what you are doing is spell begging. tsk tsk.
How exactly did you claim all these magical successes if you cant even figure that out, or if it comes to that, cant even find a copy of The Satanic Bible which is the easiest and most elementary source on the topic.
This is my last post on this thread, this is were my entertainment ends and so I could only continue on this thread if this is where my compassion for you begins, and it doesnt, and wont.
All of my quality advice wasted, ;p oh well hehe