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Original post: Kath_

that's a very interesting take on it sami. I think i see better where you're coming from now. I'll have to think about it more to make a decent reply though, I'm not used to pondering interacting with deities, since I am quite happy with just the one.




My experience with deity interaction is that when i got out of christianity, i considered myself an agnostic mystic, even leaning towards atheistic mystic. After all that dogma and brainwashing, the LAST thing I was interested in, was a friggin god.

And yet she came to me, almost right away, right after I got out of christianity, that same summer. Honestly i didn't pay much attention to her, i'd had my fill of working with a deity and was NOT interested... but she kept courting me, and eventually i came around. Looking back, I'm eternally grateful now.

There were a host of factors which made her interested, but they all boil down to the fact that I had, on my own, come to many of the same conclusions she holds as her truths. I had reached a point where, unwittingly, I was resonating rather strongly with her. And now, after years of working together, we resonate all that much more. Eventually, i hope, there will be no distinguishing us.

Anyway, There *are* godforms, and egregores, and manmade deities, and thoughtforms, and archetypes, and elementals, etc... and you know, many of these are not exactly 'sentient beings' in the traditional sense, some of them are manmade, some of them are natural forces but have manmade faces through which we interact.

But I contend that there *are* entity type deities as well. My patron is pointedly not interested in worshipers. She doesn't even like humans generally. And she considers mankind's religions to be akin to a comic book version of things. I don't think she likes manmade gods. She doesn't even like being given a 'label' by humans. She considers super-egregore gods to be little more than glorified energy currents.

anyway, its another perspective.

I'm really crazy about her :)
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When I made the transition out of Catholicism and into Wicca, I did start looking on my own, and my first turn was to the Celtic deities. There was a viable connection for a time, but eventually that faded. I also sought out some Norse deities as well. I used to have a lot of trouble with conducting electricity and static shock, and one day an old flame of mine who has a strong link with some Norse deities sends me this lovely pendant sized version of Mjollnir. Needless to say I got Thor's message.

But then the strangest things began to happen. I started getting calls from deities that weren't even on my radar. Ganesha showed up in the clouds. A series of chinese immortals appeared in my dreams, along with Hel, and Seth. And Tiamat. I've been aware of Tiamat for a very long time, and in the midst of some ordeal, she gave me a name. When I researched it, I discovered it was a variant of her own name, and at that point I realized I had finally discovered my matron; she also set me in contact with others who also follow/recognize her. I suspect that a few times I was also approached by a few Voudoun deities, but I don't know who exactly.

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I strongly believe that deities choose people. It goes hand in hand with the theory that people are born Satanists.

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I think in this case it is a little bit of both.

I was chosen by my patron deity, he made it more than abundantly clear that i was chosen.

however that does not stop me from choosing to connect with certain other deities as well. There are certain aspects of the Goddess that i will always prefer and though they may not have chosen me, i do believe that i can choose to honor them just as easily.

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Notice, Kath, how many gods try to get your attention? We're all just pawns in the great game. I remember doing this shit when I was up in the ethereal realms...

My two previous patrons, Iktomi And Coyote, both own the North American continent so I didn't have to put up with too much B.S. They also work for Raven who in turn works for Ningishzidda.

So does that make me a corporation ladder climbing whore?

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yes, now why aren't you buying us all cool stuff with your big paychecks you get now?
sistah gets outa da hood an fo-gets huh peeps. fukt up man :p


it is interesting how gods seem to court mankind, even my patron, who seems to generally dislike that game, courted 'me'. paws eh? so what is the endgame goal?

I don't feel very pawn-like right now, but then what pawn does?
But, I have a good thing going...

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Any pawn can be queen( "en passant")



http://www.mchenryareachess.org/Beginne ... assant.htm

You have just got to make it across the board one step at a time & learn the rules of the game(heh heh-rules being for the obedience of fools & guidelines for the wise)

Hey,an idea just hit me for a chessboard on a few levels,like Ziggarut.......mmmmm

I even get to make the rules too!

woohoo.wooT wooT

Can I call it "corporation ladder climbing pawnwhore"?

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Every house willhave a Ziggurat soon!

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Sorry my paychecks are only made out in traveller's checks and can only be cashed at the bank of wisdom and understanding...

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Kath, you told me about your Goddess once before. I think I remember you saying She has many names. Maybe I have an explanation.

This is my personal opinion. When they choose you, they only give you *one* of their names to call them by. In my case, I had 2 goddesses choose me. The second one gave me Her name as a planetary Deity in European myths, because I served Her in my incarnations here. And the other one gave me just *one* name of an incarnation where helped my Great Work as my wife.

And as times passed, and I channeled knowledge that was more advanced than written in books, I realized that they both are nameless. The second one is related to the symbols of the Kundalini Goddess in Alchemy. And the first one is related to the spiritual half of an alchemical unity in Western alchemy.

And I had never even read in books most of the alchemical knowledge I now have. Or course, I have more knowledge of alchemy than anyone my age on this planet. And even as a kid, I had more knowledge about alchemy than others back when I was working with their lower plane interpretation forms. And they say making me this young is actually their control clause mechanism. And this control mechanism they have put on me is similar to the Quranic symbols where the young and wise Adam always is defended by Allah Himself/Herself against the old, clever, and experienced idiot Iblis.

And the best part about working with those two Goddesses is the fact that I'm always the last man standing after any conflict. I can just take any freak around me out in the open and say something like

"Here. I'm gonna let you little suckers throw 5 free punches at me. I won't fight back. Let's see who's bleeds the most. Hit me, you little freeloaders."

And in the end, it's always the other side where the most bleeding takes place. The 3 of us taken down bigger, and greater numbers of enemies than anybody will ever know. Except we like to leave the little ones unharmed because they're too weak. And both of those Goddesses actually correspond to one Quranic God-name, and one Hebrew God-name. One of my Sufi teachers once said that they're just aspects of Allah. But if he belonged to another culture, he's probably see those Goddesses as other aspects of YHVH or other Deities.

So, I could say that everybody on OF may already be working with nameless Deities with many names. Except we just gotta keep analyzing and seeing what objective stuff happens, or what visions they give us.

Oh, and the method I mentioned in the last post can also be used by atheist magicians. I do use it to work with Deities who I don't believe in. I don't think being atheist or fundy is the problem when we come into magic. All we need is the analyzing skills and proper technique. I should describe that later as I come up with the words.

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I'm new here so most wont recognise me, I agree with what most are saying that the god/goddesses chooses the person.
But with what i believe a god/goddess/guardian is assigned to the person, he/she becomes the main guardian whom you have the strongest connection with, but that doesnt mean you cant speak with or get help from any of the others.

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Sorry my paychecks are only made out in traveller's checks and can only be cashed at the bank of wisdom and understanding...
whoever said these aren't 'cool stuff' ;)


Sami,
There's a quote I love by William Thackeray about the name of god...
"Mother is the name of god in the lips and hearts of children"
but even this label doesn't really begin to fully encompass things between her and I, still it is my favorite name for her.

If it is true that "names are just lables for things we don't really understand", then she offers understanding instead of a label.

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What Kath says.

Hey Kath,get on your knees,nod in the donkey fashion & repeat God is great 250,000 times to eradicate that notion & to become Sufi.Maybe need half a million times in your case?does this sound like dogma?

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Allah Akbar!!!

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rofpml ALI AKBAR MY ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

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[QUOTE=Darkwater;288227]What Kath says.

Hey Kath,get on your knees,nod in the donkey fashion & repeat God is great 250,000 times to eradicate that notion & to become Sufi.Maybe need half a million times in your case?does this sound like dogma?[/QUOTE]

I'd say Western Freemasons, Illuminati, and other occultists have tried to "convert" me more than Sufis have. They're like a bunch of Agent Smiths going "ME, ME, ME.....". And they are just nuisances that are just like androgynous Astral Jihad filled with androgynous minded Hod-ish men. Theoretically speaking, Hod-ish androgynous men are supposed to always act like howling drunk men. And they try to make you "submit" to their will. Except they live like normal civillians in this world.

And they are always very premature and irresponsible. Which is why they can only handled in methods that ar described by the tarot cards numbered 11, 12, 15, and 20 in the Tree Of Life. Although, I would prefer if they choose the path represented by card 15 in this life, rather than card 20 later on. They shouldn't get their free will taken away, and should always be given a choice. Because we are better than Mercurian androgynous minds.

And if you become a magician without joining their group, they get super-pushy and try to force you into thinking you have Bipolar/ Schizophrenic/ or other types of illnesses. As in

"my magic is real magic even though it's weak and nobody else sees my spirits with me. You magic, and the people who saw your goddesses, are all just experiences of schizophrenic hallucinations."

I would say, rather that becoming God's "Analytical Eye", Western occult societies are irresponsible, premature, little androgynous Mercurian "Dickless Hypocritical Mammal Half-Blind Eye". They are premature. And they don't take any responsibilities for their actions. Which is why they are just nuisances that cannot harm people like me (Sam) or Kath in any way. At least not in this point in human history. And their semantics is very easy to analyze, since the Hod-ish minds are just limited and androgynous.

And as for the 10 Billion Agent Smiths part that I keep referring to, that also applies to them. It is a perfect pop culture portrayal of the level of individuality provided by Western Occult Societies. They have tried to take away my individuality in the past, because they thought of themselves as Gods that deemed me "not ready". I'll use the metaphor of the Matrix. Because every novel/ movie/ story is written by the hands of God, and Chokmah is the source of all Knowledge/ Wisdom, even comic books. Even if the Western Occult Societies have been serving the Architect's Matrix system as agents for 10000000s of years, they are now just little insignificant nuisances like Agent Smith. In fact, I have met such nuisances, from almost all religions including Islam, that shoud merely be discarded and deleted. Except then I'd be stooping down to their androgynous male level of taking away people's free will. Because if you don't convert and join their group, they use psychologically Mercurian semantics, like the androgynous cowards in Bible. And as one of the androgynous men screams, the other ones have androgynous minds that create a false portrayal of support for the first statement(s) by saying

"Yeah. He's right. The guy who mentioned the last sentence is cool/hot/ etc. I'd marry him/her if I could. I love him/her. Don't you love him/her, guys? Listen. Don't listen to individualists."

And even if you tell them how androgynous and crippled their minds are, they are incapable of changing. As if deleting these real-life Agent Smiths is the only option.

If you're Islamic, the only thing you gotta study is to view Iblis as psychological phenomena rather than the "Devil". And as for Kabalists, once you study Hod and Netzach, all their androgynous men and mentally incapacitated women appear as merely insignificant anomalies. And even if their leaders claim to have mastered the Abyss, that is mostly false. Because their 3rd eyes still can't sense/ see the golden flakes of Atziloot consciousness in the human chakras. Unlss they use willed visualizations. Which means they have not even "faced" the Abyss yet. And they are that androgynous, and should not be called men or be associated with God.

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Is agent Smith on the square?is there really 10 billion of him trying to "convert" you.

Convert you"from what" "too what",Sami?or can you go no further?Agent Smith westerners trying to westernise you,Admiral Akbar & 10 billion nodding donkeys trying to,presumably,Easternise you?I think this shows a lot of prejudice.

Who is trying to recruit you?how is anyone putting you under any pressure?

Have you said your 250,000 Ali Akbars?how many did you get too?


Have you ever been invited to join a lodge of FM?somehow I doubt it as it is against the rules to co-erce membership.

Have you ever had a girlfriend or just never liked girls?


Admiral Akbar.heh heh heh,of the Middle East Navy?Is that like a "fishermans friend" nippy sweetie?lolz

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LMFAO!!! It's too easy, sometimes. Andy, you sound very immature. Are you sure your body temperature is okay? Check your forehead.

I think Freemasons, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus are all just as Nazi as each other. They're just all waiting for their own opportunity to show their true colors. And the only good guys who didn't try to "convert" me are ones that have a proper level of psychic awareness.

Hitler was born Catholic. Osama was born Muslim. One man's Holocaust is another man's 9/11. It's just that they use different techniquies everytime to kill people It's dependent on the situations at place. If Laden could, he wouldn't hesitate one bit to put all Americans into concentration camps and kill billions of Westerners.

Sometimes, I wonder how the similarities between the minds of Hitler and Laden exist, without being born to the same religion? It's like once you figure out how one of their minds work, all of their minds become easy to predict. It's as if then you can literally *see* their gears going.

Some are Nazis out in the open, and some cover it up in the androgynous Hod-ish manner. But all of them are just androgynous. And their minds are only as different from each other as one Smith from another.

And why would I need a girlfriend if I love a girl? Dude, grow up. Are you like 5? This is the 21st century. If you think you need to turn a girl into your wife or girlfriend if you love her, then you are premature. LIke those Iranian ayatollahs that go,

"Allah Akbar. God hates women and et cetera. God loves men and et cetera. And Christians should all be holocausted in concetntration camps if possible."

Have you ever been sexually attracted to girls, Andy? Or are you just trying to show the world that you're a heterosexual? Just try to snap put of the premature sexual insecurities, little friend.

By the way, I haven't said 250,000 Ali Akbars yet. In fact, I've said "f*** Allah" in a greater number in this life. And I'm still not "God-forsaken", and won't ever be. Failures are failures, and foreshadow future failures, and we should accept that. I think you've gotten to pronounce more Allah Akbars than I have. Freemasons are Sufi, right? Grow up. You are apparently acting predictable, and easy to analyze.

And I've bowed down to my patron Goddesses more than I've ever bowed down to Allah, YHVH, or any other dictator. And then they made me realize that all my problems were caused by little nasty Hod-ish androgynous men (li'l Ladens) throughout my whole life. Therefore, I never should have said "f*** Allah" in the first place.

BTW, I would say my Tree of LIfe analytical skills makes my beliefs more "Jewish" than those brainless idiots with good clothes you see on TV. Or more sufi than those brainless morons with Turbans. I'm pretty sure same applies to many people here at OF. Except they are merely deluded into thinking they are alone in this. I could say I have met women here at OF who are stronger than androgynous li'l Ladens that try to convert others. They merely have to realize that.

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Just wondering if you had ever physically shagged anything,m8,just for shits n'giggles.Not judging anyone upon their sexuality.A girl I met at lunchtime today wanted to take me home & fuck her.I have her number,but I am married although not had sex for ages,just never ever been with anyone else since I married.

So any organised religion is nazi?that sounds a wee bit drama queen?

I'm glad you recognise that you have problems,a few issues you will have to deal with.That is a good start for your long introspective look at yourself,what you are.

What are you,how do you define yourself without double,treble right up to 10 d negatives & judgement on others?It reflects very poorly upon you.

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Darkwater;288577 wrote:Is agent Smith on the square?is there really 10 billion of him trying to "convert" you.

Convert you"from what" "too what",Sami?or can you go no further?Agent Smith westerners trying to westernise you,Admiral Akbar & 10 billion nodding donkeys trying to,presumably,Easternise you?I think this shows a lot of prejudice.

Who is trying to recruit you?how is anyone putting you under any pressure?

Have you said your 250,000 Ali Akbars?how many did you get too?


Have you ever been invited to join a lodge of FM?somehow I doubt it as it is against the rules to co-erce membership.

Have you ever had a girlfriend or just never liked girls?


Admiral Akbar.heh heh heh,of the Middle East Navy?Is that like a "fishermans friend" nippy sweetie?lolz
What's this?
Am I completly out of my tree here or are you being extremely disrespectful?

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[QUOTE=Darkwater;288621]Just wondering if you had ever physically shagged anything,m8,just for shits n'giggles.Not judging anyone upon their sexuality.[/QUOTE]

More girls than you have, physically. I wouldn't wanna turn into you. Just kidding, m8. Don't let the dog out again, please. People are watching.

[QUOTE=Darkwater;288621]
A girl I met at lunchtime today wanted to take me home & fuck her.I have her number,but I am married although not had sex for ages,just never ever been with anyone else since I married..[/QUOTE]

Ewwwww, you sound God-forsakenly nasty and animalistic. If you speak such words with women in daily life, you may consider brushing your teeth every 30 minutes. how old are you? You sound like a 17 year old premature kid with man-boobs on cocaine. No wonder why you are having marital problems for ages, as described above, my little sonny boy.

Hmmm.... that really does tell me a lot about you. I doubt she wanted to **** you (I'm mature enough to use asterisks). As as for the married part, meh. I don't wanna ever get married. Or else I'll turn into you.

[QUOTE=Darkwater;288621]
So any organised religion is nazi?that sounds a wee bit drama queen?[/QUOTE]

That last 2 sentences does seem a wee bit drama queen.

[QUOTE=Darkwater;288621]
I'm glad you recognise that you have problems,a few issues you will have to deal with.That is a good start for your long introspective look at yourself,what you are.

What are you,how do you define yourself without double,treble right up to 10 d negatives & judgement on others?It reflects very poorly upon you.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm.... Judging from above, I will reply that by saying:

Andy, I'm glad you recognise that you have problems,a few issues you will have to deal with.That is a good start for your long introspective look at yourself,what you are.

What are you,how do you define yourself without double,treble right up to 10 d negatives & judgement on others?It reflects very poorly upon you.

You need analytical skills to see things coming. The cynicism was intentional, BTW.

Peace.

I suppose now you will require somebody else to distract others from my comments.

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so like, COOKIES didn't work last time...

what would make everyone mindlessly happy to cooperate and get along?

I want to know, so that the thread fire can be put out
...and also for purposes of world domination later on.

ideas?

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[QUOTE=Semangelof;288656]What's this?
Am I completly out of my tree here or are you being extremely disrespectful?
[/QUOTE]


Who is trying to get Sami?who is he on about?Just rtying to get to the root of the problem,rather clumsily admittedly,though I am answering screeds & screeds of wacky stuff.

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[QUOTE=Kath_;289052]so like, COOKIES didn't work last time...

what would make everyone mindlessly happy to cooperate and get along?

I want to know, so that the thread fire can be put out
...and also for purposes of world domination later on.

ideas?[/QUOTE]

Sami needs some love in his life.I think he feels isolated or something,but I could be wrong?

My love is too tough for him & I am being taken the wrong way.......mmmmmmm....could change that I suppose.

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Meh. I'm just gonna echo what was PMed to me here by one of the many strangers who became my real friends. Those stangers are the only types of people who have my respect in this world.
.... woe betide the fool who fucks with my family. Period. I saw no flaw in your argument there. For people who don't like being judgemental,as they have said on other threads,there seems to be a lot of judgement from some, falling on you -odd eh?Chin up mate. Stay Strong.
And I really am gonna repeat this in my own words. Woe betide the coward who fucks with her family. That attitude is so sexy. So hot. :evil:
Darkwater;289137 wrote:Who is trying to get Sami?who is he on about?Just rtying to get to the root of the problem,rather clumsily admittedly,though I am answering screeds & screeds of wacky stuff.
Meh, I'm just gonna say what I've been trying to tell Andy. Because he just said those things for me.

Who is trying to get Andy?who is he on about?Just rtying to get to the root of the problem,rather clumsily admittedly,though I am answering screeds & screeds of wacky stuff.
Darkwater;289138 wrote:Sami needs some love in his life.I think he feels isolated or something,but I could be wrong?

My love is too tough for him & I am being taken the wrong way.......mmmmmmm....could change that I suppose.
Andy needs some love in his life.I think he feels isolated or something,but I could be wrong?

My love is too tough for him & I am being taken the wrong way.......mmmmmmm....could change that I suppose.


Andy, stop talking to yourself, little guy. :D

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