feedback on Ars Notoria
-
- Neophyte
- Posts: 2
- Joined: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:14 am
- Location: Wellington, New Zealand
feedback on Ars Notoria
I'm interested in the Ars Notoria. Has anyone used this book? Can anyone offer me some guidance? Has anyone found the book useful? Did anything unexpected happen?
- Desecrated
- Benefactor
- Posts: 3223
- Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:50 pm
- Location: The north
Re: feedback on Ars Notoria
From the actual book (page 24-25)
"How the Latine Orations are not expounded by the words of the Orations.
We are therefore to know, that the whole Oration remaineth unexpounded; because
the words thereof are of so great subtilty, adorned with the Hebrew and Chaldean
Tongue, with the subtile and wonderful Elocution of God: that the Office of the free
Exposition thereof, cannot possibly be transferred upon me. The Latine words which
are subjoyned to the parts of the Oration aforesaid, are such words as have been
translated out of the Chaldean Tongue: for they are not the whole Oration; but as
certain Heads of every Oration pertaining thereunto"
------
The book is a good example of medieval magic, but I don't know if it would be very useful for a modern magician. It's basically a book of prayers. It's incomplete and some of the names are unreadable in the original manuscript, so there are sections like this:
" and by all the Holy Names, by us not to be pronounced, which are these: do. el. x p n k h t li g y y. "
There are free versions of it online (but as you can see above) the language is a bit stiff and old fashion. I recommend getting Peterson, Joseph H. The Lesser Key of Solomon ISBN 978-1-57863-220-6.
Because it contains the most accurate translation.
Here is the old Robert Turner translation, It's free and legal:
http://hermetic.com/norton/pdf/Ars_notoria.pdf
"How the Latine Orations are not expounded by the words of the Orations.
We are therefore to know, that the whole Oration remaineth unexpounded; because
the words thereof are of so great subtilty, adorned with the Hebrew and Chaldean
Tongue, with the subtile and wonderful Elocution of God: that the Office of the free
Exposition thereof, cannot possibly be transferred upon me. The Latine words which
are subjoyned to the parts of the Oration aforesaid, are such words as have been
translated out of the Chaldean Tongue: for they are not the whole Oration; but as
certain Heads of every Oration pertaining thereunto"
------
The book is a good example of medieval magic, but I don't know if it would be very useful for a modern magician. It's basically a book of prayers. It's incomplete and some of the names are unreadable in the original manuscript, so there are sections like this:
" and by all the Holy Names, by us not to be pronounced, which are these: do. el. x p n k h t li g y y. "
There are free versions of it online (but as you can see above) the language is a bit stiff and old fashion. I recommend getting Peterson, Joseph H. The Lesser Key of Solomon ISBN 978-1-57863-220-6.
Because it contains the most accurate translation.
Here is the old Robert Turner translation, It's free and legal:
http://hermetic.com/norton/pdf/Ars_notoria.pdf
Beginners Book List
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... =2&t=39045
Information Resources
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=36162
Fundamental Development
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=37025
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... =2&t=39045
Information Resources
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=36162
Fundamental Development
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=37025
- WillowDarkWytch
- Adept
- Posts: 310
- Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:41 am
Re: feedback on Ars Notoria
Motumbá Àse
Saravá,
Idansinají
I agree, as most old grimoires. In grimoires there are operations that are pretty unnecessary, thus the prayers and invocations are useful and needed.Desecrated wrote: The book is a good example of medieval magic, but I don't know if it would be very useful for a modern magician. It's basically a book of prayers.
Saravá,
Idansinají
"Kosi Ewe Kosi Orìṣà"
- Yoruba Tradition
"Water which is too pure has no fish"
- form the Ts'ai Ken T'an
"No enunciation of the Truth will ever be complete, no method of training will ever be suitable for all temperaments..."
- Dion Fortune
- Yoruba Tradition
"Water which is too pure has no fish"
- form the Ts'ai Ken T'an
"No enunciation of the Truth will ever be complete, no method of training will ever be suitable for all temperaments..."
- Dion Fortune
- Desecrated
- Benefactor
- Posts: 3223
- Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:50 pm
- Location: The north
Re: feedback on Ars Notoria
Yes, But this particulate book is closer to a traditional book of prayers then grimoire usually are. It's like a jewish siddur, but with some instructions added.WillowDarkWytch wrote:Motumbá Àse
I agree, as most old grimoires. In grimoires there are operations that are pretty unnecessary, thus the prayers and invocations are useful and needed.Desecrated wrote: The book is a good example of medieval magic, but I don't know if it would be very useful for a modern magician. It's basically a book of prayers.
Saravá,
Idansinají
Beginners Book List
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... =2&t=39045
Information Resources
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=36162
Fundamental Development
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=37025
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... =2&t=39045
Information Resources
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=36162
Fundamental Development
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 57&t=37025
-
- Neophyte
- Posts: 2
- Joined: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:14 am
- Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Re: feedback on Ars Notoria
Thank you both for replying. I will check out the Peterson translation.