Can spirits read our thoughts?

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Thoughts are never really our own. If you were born blind and deaf you would have very different thoughts than you would have now. You still would have something resembling thoughts but not in the same manner. Any thought you have is a product of what you watched on TV, your imprints from other people and their personalities, your desires as society have bestowed on you, etc.

Your thoughts are therefore not you but yet another mask just as your face is or the clothes you wear, all products of other influences. So can entities sense your thoughts or experiences (your mental mask) absolutely. Are some much better at understanding and relaying it, yes, especially those that have experiences in physical incarnations. Are any of your thoughts bad? No. Can you shield your thoughts? Being grounded is your best way to doing this and not constantly living in your thoughts.

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WillowDarkWytch wrote:About this, I like it. What we have to understand is that this is not physsics, though similar, astrally there are other "laws". Just as you don't have gravity, oppose reject and equals attract themselves, quite different from the matterial world.
I was just thinking that Physics would be best suited to
the macrocosmic aspects of Magick, and Quantum Mechanics
to the microcosmic. Instead of the two being thrown together as it were.

The within, and without aspects.

This allows for phenomena to have a couple options
for explanation. For those who perhaps, need a bit more confidence.
or merely for academic purposes.

Regards

Neither here nor there

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I'm certain that many many entities can read your thoughts and emotions. And yes the skill level of that varies greatly. Some more simplistic entities only really communicate on an emotive level. At the other extreme an entity might access your entire life's memory.
The nature of the astral is highly conceptual, the very substance of interacting with another being astrally is to mutually interpret thought.

I find even physically, face to face, emotions are pretty easy to perceive, thoughts are harder to get, but not impossible at all. And I'm not speaking of reading body language or doing a cold reading.

Personally I do not see emotion or thought as colors. I more just sort of sympathetically feel them. If you hit one tuning fork and then hold it near another tuning fork, the second will begin to resonate with the first. It's much like that. Once upon a time I had what you'd call uncontrolled empathy, which was kinda an unstable way to live. It caused a lot of social anxiety. Actually I'd describe social anxiety as being a very likely symptom of uncontrolled empathy. Anyway, now I perceive this sort of tuning fork effect with the addition of separating by layers my true self from my resonating with others, and feel very much in control of the effect.

Emotions are easy because they are long lasting with the same signal... if you were to compare emotions to sounds, imagine a cat purring, you don't have to pay attention to every detail of the sound to get the gist of the cat's emotive state. Thoughts occur as a very rapid burst of concepts that occur in rapid succession. true conceptual thought, which occurs before the internal dialog starts to make words and such, is very fast and abrupt. It's easiest to perceive them when the thought is simple in content (one word or short phrase answerable questions) and when you're totally focused on the other, like you would be right after asking a question. It's much easier to pull off if there's an engaging conversation going, with mutual focus on each other and no distractions. So the end result is often not knowing someone's thoughts on a topic until asking, but after asking, perceiving their thoughts just prior to them opening their mouth and sharing verbally.

My mentor (not a physical person) knows every thought i've ever had in this life and others, without any effort on her part.

I'm not sure why it would be a bad thing for an entity to know your thoughts. How else would you interact meaningfully? I suppose there's always the odd exploitative emotion-feeder who can mess with your head... but it's better to be aware of such things, ignorance in such a case is not blissful.

edit: it may be worth pointing out, that people often think many things that don't make it all the way into their conscious awareness. also, some people think really loudly and are super easy to read, some are really hard. oooh, also, yes, thought-interaction on a preconscious level is a wide open gateway to abusing sovereign free will, and it happens all the time. disquieting i know, but true.

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This is a fascinating discussion. I would just like to pose a question or food for thought that i think bares some weight in this discussion. If you'r a spiritual being or rather a non corporeal entity (nce)for lack of a better term and as we know scientifically that speech in our world is based on air vibrations and that is one of our primary forms of communication, as an nce how would you communicate? What is the vehicle of communication for these beings if it is not air and speech as we are accustomed?

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Daremo wrote:This is a fascinating discussion. I would just like to pose a question or food for thought that i think bares some weight in this discussion. If you'r a spiritual being or rather a non corporeal entity (nce)for lack of a better term and as we know scientifically that speech in our world is based on air vibrations and that is one of our primary forms of communication, as an nce how would you communicate? What is the vehicle of communication for these beings if it is not air and speech as we are accustomed?
That's an extremely interesting question my own feeling is that the mode of communication is by thought rather than by sound as in human speech.From my own experience we have to differentiate between spirits such as those in the generally accepted classification of Angels,Demons,Elementals etc and shades of the dead or 'ghosts'.
I once attended a rite that produced visions which could generally be defined as ghosts.It was not a subjective experience as every one present shared the experience and what was most interesting here was that though we were able to see the entities they seemed to be be blissfully unaware of our presence.Despite attempts to communicate with the entities through thought and word they were unresponsive I can only deduce that ghosts may not in fact be able to communicate unless one is able to access their realm of existence.It is one thing to be able to Rent the Veil but another to enter what might be seen as a parallel world.
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