Original post: theblackpeacock
Many a satanist have been reluctant to admit that there is such a thing. The fact about it is that over-indulgence can be as emotionally draining as abstinance and even decrease the qulaity of indulgence in the first place.
Now, i'm definitely not saying that abstaintion is the only way (or for me, even an option.) He who abstains is a hypocrite for claim the title of the asthetic in the first place because they never tasted sin, never making them devoid of it.
What i'm saying is that it's good to weigh things out. If you masturbate constantly, your sperm count will diminish. If you drink constantly, you will become a heavyweight. If you eat constantly, you won't be able to stop. If you indulge constantly, you won't be able to appreciate indulgence as much.
See my point?
(by the way, this is tantric philosophy, for those who are curious.)
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Original post: Interstellis
[QUOTE=theblackpeacock]
What i'm saying is that it's good to weigh things out. If you masturbate constantly, your sperm count will diminish. If you drink constantly, you will become a heavyweight. If you eat constantly, you won't be able to stop. If you indulge constantly, you won't be able to appreciate indulgence as much.
See my point?
(by the way, this is tantric philosophy, for those who are curious.)[/QUOTE]
Yup, I see the point. It's my belief that overindulgence of some things tends to turn into obssession, in which case the practitioner is no longer in control. A magician strives to control his/her environment, not be controlled by it.
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What i'm saying is that it's good to weigh things out. If you masturbate constantly, your sperm count will diminish. If you drink constantly, you will become a heavyweight. If you eat constantly, you won't be able to stop. If you indulge constantly, you won't be able to appreciate indulgence as much.
See my point?
(by the way, this is tantric philosophy, for those who are curious.)[/QUOTE]
Yup, I see the point. It's my belief that overindulgence of some things tends to turn into obssession, in which case the practitioner is no longer in control. A magician strives to control his/her environment, not be controlled by it.
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Original post: Skeptismo118
The Satanic idea of indulgence is set in oppossition to both abstainance and compulsion. What you're referring to as "overindulgence" is basically the same thing meant by compulsion. Given that the issue of indulgence v. compulsion has been at the forefront of Satanic thought for nearly fourty years I find it a bit hard to swallow that "many a Satanist seems relulctant to admit such things" as you suggest.
Maybe the folks you were talking to, despite their own assertions, simply weren't Satanists at all.
The Satanic idea of indulgence is set in oppossition to both abstainance and compulsion. What you're referring to as "overindulgence" is basically the same thing meant by compulsion. Given that the issue of indulgence v. compulsion has been at the forefront of Satanic thought for nearly fourty years I find it a bit hard to swallow that "many a Satanist seems relulctant to admit such things" as you suggest.
Maybe the folks you were talking to, despite their own assertions, simply weren't Satanists at all.
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Original post: Banshee
They do however have a point, the human body has its limitations and if u push it to far well anything can happen realy
They do however have a point, the human body has its limitations and if u push it to far well anything can happen realy
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Original post: Alarum
If you drink too much apple juice you loose your taste for it, just like when you listen to the same CD too many times, it gets boring. I listen to my favourite CD's less than the mediocre ones, because that way I can appreciate it more.
Indulgence vs. Compulsion has a whole essay devoted to it in the Satanic Bible.
If you drink too much apple juice you loose your taste for it, just like when you listen to the same CD too many times, it gets boring. I listen to my favourite CD's less than the mediocre ones, because that way I can appreciate it more.
Indulgence vs. Compulsion has a whole essay devoted to it in the Satanic Bible.
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Original post: Banshee
not to mention, it can leave you in a state of dependance.
not to mention, it can leave you in a state of dependance.
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Original post: Hairetikos
I support the idea of indulgence, but I think it's important to indulge in moderation. Too much of a good thing can easily become bad, as many have already pointed out. I love chocolate, but eating too much of it will make me sick...or fat! I also love having pets, but having too many to take care of makes me bitter towards the whole idea. I guess the specific level of indulgence really depends on each individual's ability to handle certain things and not fall into compulsion at the same time.
I support the idea of indulgence, but I think it's important to indulge in moderation. Too much of a good thing can easily become bad, as many have already pointed out. I love chocolate, but eating too much of it will make me sick...or fat! I also love having pets, but having too many to take care of makes me bitter towards the whole idea. I guess the specific level of indulgence really depends on each individual's ability to handle certain things and not fall into compulsion at the same time.
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Original post: Alarum
The whole idea of 'Satanic Indulgence' was mainly created by LaVay so that people could become involved within a religion that didnt make them feel guilty for all the little things. Basically, if your a Satanist you can eat, drink, take and shag whatever you want to and you dont have to feel bad about it afterwards when in your 'religious' phase. Many religions make you feel horrifically guilty, even to the point to where you can be sentenced to the fires of hell by a priest.
But when most people hear, SATANIC INDULGENCE, two huge taboo words put together, they think its evil and that us Satanists run around off our nut on drugs and booze and that we run around taking young Christian girls' virginity in huge rituals.
Its much more down to Earth in reality.............well, I do speak for myself.
The whole idea of 'Satanic Indulgence' was mainly created by LaVay so that people could become involved within a religion that didnt make them feel guilty for all the little things. Basically, if your a Satanist you can eat, drink, take and shag whatever you want to and you dont have to feel bad about it afterwards when in your 'religious' phase. Many religions make you feel horrifically guilty, even to the point to where you can be sentenced to the fires of hell by a priest.
But when most people hear, SATANIC INDULGENCE, two huge taboo words put together, they think its evil and that us Satanists run around off our nut on drugs and booze and that we run around taking young Christian girls' virginity in huge rituals.
Its much more down to Earth in reality.............well, I do speak for myself.
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Original post: frater luciferi
i live a pretty simple life. Which is relatively free of the "luxuries" that the burgeois find a great deal easier then I. However I have indulged heavily in drugs and sex as well as alchohol. this includes heroin, amphetamines, opium, shrooms, lsd, salvia divonorum, absinthe, nightshade, crosstops. I had indulged in all sorts of sex including threesomes - once with two sisters, a situation with a lesbian couple while drunk on wine. Only really got involved with homosexual activity once- and as much as I loved the man it did not excite me. Other then that I have had no real mores as far as sex, pretty much idulged when and where I could.
there was one time where I was going through a good ounce of marijuana a week between myself and three roomates- and I was having mushrooms dropped off at my house on semi-regular basis. This was mixed heavy with crosstops and large quantitys of caffiene, beautiful hippie chicks of all varietys and sometimes we had gay men over as well at the "temple"
. I had binge drank quite heavily for years on and off. The only substance that i had not found the "hook" is marijuana. By the time i reached 27 I was no longer having multiple encounters any more, cut the drinking off - as well as the more "illicit" activities that I wish not to dilvulge. It can drag you down, I mean i just got back from a few days at a friends and we at that time had consumed A good eigth or two of ganja. This was between three people, and as much as I used to toke as a younger lad I could definately feel my senses and grasp of things go to complete shit.
Over indulgence of things, especially when mixed- like sex, or just random chaos need to be balanced out by order. Thats just a given, what i have learned from expierience is that One or two good nites at a time with a day in between when you must return to the normal world is'nt that bad. A week or three of being constantly stoned or drinking is very bad for the equilibreum. thats just a given, and as much the harder substances will drag you down pretty fast- heroin , cocaine or meth. The amount of recoup you need is great and you are always a little bit fucked. Sexuality ? thats not such a bad one really, its the greatest drug that we have really= hits the endorphins really good when done right! so study up on the old karma sutra. When I do have a GF = or can afford one lol, its usually a semi- or daily fix. I mean for weeks on end. Its natural, no hang-over and no god-damned haze the next day=like after a good night of heavy bong-ripping.
Pot is ok in moderation, but heavily abused it can dull the senses too much. Alchohol can be a slippery slope if leaned on. And psycedelics? well it takes a good prep and space them out with lots of time. I did a good ounce or two of shrooms in a period of three weeks and went completely insane for a good while(trust me it is no fun).
I don't drink, I know I have alchoholic tendencies. but i over abuse caffiene to a extreme degree, and smoke pot on a semi-daily basis-usually just to numb me out a little bit. And i take heavy tranqs to knock me out at nite.
I guess overall, I have expierienced every perversion that I wanted to. Despite one, and thats a felony. Generally though its good to follow the three day law when indulging too heavily in things. Its always good to have a day to recover before you return to the "sane" world. But I am getting drunk tommorow, so who knows. Hopefully with a beautiful chick i adore.
But most of all I have discovered that the rythymn must be maintained- if that rythymn of life is lost, then it will all go to shit.
i live a pretty simple life. Which is relatively free of the "luxuries" that the burgeois find a great deal easier then I. However I have indulged heavily in drugs and sex as well as alchohol. this includes heroin, amphetamines, opium, shrooms, lsd, salvia divonorum, absinthe, nightshade, crosstops. I had indulged in all sorts of sex including threesomes - once with two sisters, a situation with a lesbian couple while drunk on wine. Only really got involved with homosexual activity once- and as much as I loved the man it did not excite me. Other then that I have had no real mores as far as sex, pretty much idulged when and where I could.
there was one time where I was going through a good ounce of marijuana a week between myself and three roomates- and I was having mushrooms dropped off at my house on semi-regular basis. This was mixed heavy with crosstops and large quantitys of caffiene, beautiful hippie chicks of all varietys and sometimes we had gay men over as well at the "temple"
. I had binge drank quite heavily for years on and off. The only substance that i had not found the "hook" is marijuana. By the time i reached 27 I was no longer having multiple encounters any more, cut the drinking off - as well as the more "illicit" activities that I wish not to dilvulge. It can drag you down, I mean i just got back from a few days at a friends and we at that time had consumed A good eigth or two of ganja. This was between three people, and as much as I used to toke as a younger lad I could definately feel my senses and grasp of things go to complete shit.
Over indulgence of things, especially when mixed- like sex, or just random chaos need to be balanced out by order. Thats just a given, what i have learned from expierience is that One or two good nites at a time with a day in between when you must return to the normal world is'nt that bad. A week or three of being constantly stoned or drinking is very bad for the equilibreum. thats just a given, and as much the harder substances will drag you down pretty fast- heroin , cocaine or meth. The amount of recoup you need is great and you are always a little bit fucked. Sexuality ? thats not such a bad one really, its the greatest drug that we have really= hits the endorphins really good when done right! so study up on the old karma sutra. When I do have a GF = or can afford one lol, its usually a semi- or daily fix. I mean for weeks on end. Its natural, no hang-over and no god-damned haze the next day=like after a good night of heavy bong-ripping.
Pot is ok in moderation, but heavily abused it can dull the senses too much. Alchohol can be a slippery slope if leaned on. And psycedelics? well it takes a good prep and space them out with lots of time. I did a good ounce or two of shrooms in a period of three weeks and went completely insane for a good while(trust me it is no fun).
I don't drink, I know I have alchoholic tendencies. but i over abuse caffiene to a extreme degree, and smoke pot on a semi-daily basis-usually just to numb me out a little bit. And i take heavy tranqs to knock me out at nite.
I guess overall, I have expierienced every perversion that I wanted to. Despite one, and thats a felony. Generally though its good to follow the three day law when indulging too heavily in things. Its always good to have a day to recover before you return to the "sane" world. But I am getting drunk tommorow, so who knows. Hopefully with a beautiful chick i adore.
But most of all I have discovered that the rythymn must be maintained- if that rythymn of life is lost, then it will all go to shit.