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EDITED by doh: These posts have been split from the "Summoning Lucifer" topic. I'm not moving it to General Theology because, quite frankly, the behavior of individuals in this topic would not wash well there. Satanism is a bit more open and, for lack of better term, harsh. However, I have added a post to the end of this that you all need to read.


my relationship with "Jehovah" isnt the least understandable subject, either because it all becomes literal when you spend your time researching it on the internet or you actually go out there and experience it for the nature that it is, you cant speak otherwise in thinking whatever it is your trying to say, it doesnt matter, as unfathomable as it is to anyone, its fathomable enough to experience what is fathomable. personal opinion doesnt matter, expereince defies reality, because reality is tangible in what we cant aquire it to be as humans, and if a representation of Lucifer is in nature, how then is it his name is Lucifer, and the rest a representation of him in nature? again not one single person can say, because we can think all we want, it doesnt matter, i deal with angels and demons everyday of my life, whether i comprehend them or not, it doesnt matter, for the main reason i deal with them to comprehend them because of who i am to God, so its possible. i dont plant some idea of how i would "see" it to be, its one of those things i didnt believe because belief is a industrialized religion all in its own, but in knowing, its a whole different ball game. my experience with God is a long and rigourous story filled with a lot of shit people dont care to believe anyways, so it doesnt matter, if it needed to be said, i would say it, but i dont want to sit here and pore out my story on this this and that for a religious debate to proven otherwise, it doesnt change the experience manifested outside of belief, because i serve the Truth, in being, Truth is existant outside whatever we consider it to be, it is still Truth, we either know it or we dont. i will say this, i was looking at some information on Lucifer and i started to realize a lot about myself i never considered, i always knew the existance of Lucifer since i was young, but i didnt know the Truth of his existance. and i was thinking you know, i see all this shit about what people consider him to be, his representation as pathien god and this this and that and i wanted to get down to the Truth about him, who he was and why his source of being was fallen from grace. i saw myself in who he was or still is, or might be. my own idea isnt sufficent enough to think i might be wrong and i asked God. i was like how could he do that in whatever he did to have been where he was and choose to do what he did, pretty much, "did you love him?" my chest caught on fire, my soul was burning and i started to cry, i felt the love God had for him, and i cant fathom the idea as to why exactly he fell away from that, i mean, i can from a human stand point because its as simply understood as we take it, but he was created in perfect love. i can fathom that because as was i when i was re-born and carried my seal, which i have also seen, but the more i thought of it, the more i realized that no matter what i think, who i consider to be right, outside the spiritually literate mind, this was above me. and i've dealt with angels before many other times before, not Lucifer, i dont know his name, but i have encountered them also because of who i am, and i think of him now, what he did, no matter what man says because i was told, and i realized how stupid he was. he fell from grace, because he chose to, and he was stupid, i could give two fucks about anything, especially that, because in that love i was created just the same, as many other times God and i had spoke about various different things, and if he wanted to come down here to this fucked up existance because of pride and defiance, to the cold he goes and deserves because he sowed his own fate, not God. that say enough as it is if you think about how in reliance to christian faith we are like him, but anyways, people dont believe in God to begin with, its not my place to change that, the shit i've seen and the places i've been prove otherwise because i never had to believe in the existance, because i've always know, and i denied Him when i was younger. and trust me, no one man, like i said before, can fathom that, the nature of Lucifer, it goes back to creation, however it was, whatever, he was there at the beggining. and people, they consider the idea of possiblity but forget the purpose, forget the entirety of reason and reliance of truth in exactly that of what it is, so it doesnt exist, it does, but in ways we comprehend it, because "we" "comprehend" it, when its not ours to comprehend outside how we see it but how it really is because we dont see it. i dont like wasting my time, and i sure as hell dont measure to man, i may be just like him, but the moment i realized how fucked he is without even knowing it because he has considered everything else then what is, i want nothing to do with it. Lucifer is a being, angels have a physical body, i dont care what you think, i've fuckin seen the shit, in more ways then one, amd yes, they stand right in front of you like a man and you wonder, what manifestation is there other then that. so if you conjure Lucifer and think he's going to possess you, your stupid, angels dont possess people. i know some fallen angels right now who say they used to know him, i dont give two shits what they say anyways, but the idea is that Truth is relevant whether we agree or not. and there are a lot of things in this world that are Truth, but there is only one reliance of fact, and that is in knowing without belief. and just because your spiritual expereicne is hendered due to the fact Lucifer is a representation of spirituality, if being you let him represent you to begin with for the reason he is what he is in possibly everything he is said to be, in Truth, and you accept that knowing there is a total different world outside of him and consider him first, i'm sorry. Lucifer, doesnt care for you, whether you "believe" that or not, he does not care, if you can imagine that, for what it is. its like offering your hand being bit by the dog, to bite twice and consume your body, i cant say Lucifer is animalistic, angels are pure beings in their nature, they dont play stupid human games, they serve a purpose, whether it is God or not, their creation is service and devout understanding of a hell of a lot more then what we consider. look at your fire balls and shit or whatever all you want, but dont think its Lucifer, because Lucifer isnt som magickal elf, he;s a fucking angel, a being at one point in time would crakc the skull of any man God commanded him to crack, agaisnt his will, but that is why he is not with God, because service elss devout to self is self gratification, i dont live like that, because i serve purpose in life. and if you consider him a bearer of light, think about that, what the fuck was he created from? the purest of light, so i have to wonder knowing that he is the bearer of light, whatever we interpret it to be because we dont truely know what it would be like, but glory is for holiness, and if Lucifer were still holy, we wouldnt be having this conversation because he probably would have done Gabriels dirty work. glory is a television program gone bad with screen shots. most of the angels you read about in the bible, exist, so i dont have to question the Truth in that being Jesus Christ actually existed, in knowing that, why people dont care, doesnt even move me. it doesnt matter to me, i have my direct orders from God and thats all that matters, if it were for man, He would reveal Himself to those who really wanted to see Him and then the answers to all the chaotic questions wouldnt need to be asked again. existance in God doesnt relvolve around religion, it doesnt revolve around faith, it doesnt revolve around belief, it revolves around wanting to know, because knowing is the ultimate faith. and when your desperate enough to get outside of oyur own thoughts, you'll ask, because in desperation, there is redemption to realize we were wrong. there are no two sides to how we see it, because it is clearly written as it is for the main fact it cant be changed. in every religion in this world, the reliance of truth is in faith, when by the Truth that i dont know, i never needed to believe, whether i knew it or not. it came a point in time, i wanted to and i was told, this is real, and i carried the seal ever sense. its not about the ideal bible, its not about what we consider, its about what we dont, because what we forget is what we never considered for many reasons. its goes much deeper, psychological aspect, science, spirituality, everything is involved in one, because there is no difference in Truth, except how we perceive it, and if we're wrong, we dont know the Truth. i dont like being wrong, because then i have to question, and i never question existance in what i was created and commanded to do, because omnipresence isnt a likeness of being, power, whatever, omnipresence is higher state of conscienceness in being, exactly.

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i dont like being wrong, because then i have to question, and i never question existance
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i have to say, i like the picture, holiday spirit. its kind of sad, but hey, screen play is all good.

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lol, preaching, right. figurative speach is more like it, a spicy conversation, you want me to preach? lol, it doesnt matter, i answered the kid and did what i did and said what i said, if your more of a english lit person then reading what i say and seeing what that it is two different things. and yes, i have met some crazy fucks who pracitice, dungeons and dragons, that was just a statement. it goes to show most of the shit that we see is derived by what we think, but being the entire purpose of what i wrote to begin with was for purpose in knowing about the things unseen so i dont have to, usually there is an explaination to everything, all you have to do, is think about it. convincing, right, as is it usual for people to say that sort of thing, i dont have to convince shit, its a fuckin conversation, more or less, an interesting one, so i figured i would illaborate some shit to actually make it so. and when i say something in relevance to myself, its not only a reliance of what i consider to know, its a representation of self in what i do know, outside of what i think. usually, you see things in a whole clearer perspective when you dont cosentrate on dotting the i's and crossing the t's of religious debate and reason, but hey, your the professional....

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shaded6 verbal (ignorance) manifests in many forms, as you so elegantly prove. Most who believe in the xian mythology bullsh*t, are (the) true *EVIL*of this realm, philosophically and spiritually; they twist the truth of *reality* to suit their own selfish purposes. The xian belief system is based upon two pillars of deceit - Guilt and Fear. The bible is nothing more than stolen, borrowed, or fictionalized mythology; bastardized beliefs posing as truth. History has shown this to be TRUE. The only thing that has followed the xian belief system throughout history has been - hate, fear, stolen freedom, blood-shed, death, and spiritual theft. So please, go ahead and attempt to convert the masses through this forum with your drivel, I find it amusing. The truth is out there my narrow-minded friend - xianity is only a trash-can religion which smells to all-mighty-heaven!!! Pardon the pun! Most who preach the pathetic xian faith are selfish self-serving bigots who *think* they have a monopoly upon the sacred and the holy - "I say hog-wash!!!" When the truth is exposed, they are seen for what they truly are - frightened angry small-minded little pieces of worthless human flesh, who waste valuable air space. If what I have said offends those who practice and believe in the soul-destorying religion of the xian paradigm - GOOD!!! :twisted:

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Oh by the way shaded6, I know a *forum flamer* when I see one. So please keep up your crap! You'll be banned soon enough. :wink:

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narrow minded, i guess you obviously didnt get what i was saying to begin with, friend, in that of what i am, so go figure the masses didnt either. i am not some preacher christian boy, i am above religion, whatever you consider, i've seen shit that will take away your existance before you even have time to make a memo, i dont care what you say to your own opinion, i'm so free from you, i can stand there, watch, and laugh, and that, i wont even give you that much credit because as simple as what i was trying to say, was said, you didnt get it, so amuse me with your mass plan of accomplishments, please, indulge me sir, to believe otherwise that i came to this reality outside of a high school mind set. i dont even know why i reply, i guess that goes to the motive of being, because i am completely numb to what you "think." oh yeah, conversion, has to exist with a particular religious basis, i dont follow religion, any, religion, i dont have to, because i know Truth. access is ellegible outside of spirituality, its a mentality thing, but you know, the possiblity doesnt exist to the probable cause of thought against it. talk about faith in industrialized world and you go down without even knowing it, and you dont need religion for that, all you need to do, is be yourself. like i've said, i'm a witness to darkness and death that is so interesting to this day and age, the common horror flick theory, shit that i never considered to be real to begin with, but you know, the narrow minded are always presumed by what they say because popular belief destrouts what he is trying to say to begin with. go on, its all good, i got no worries, not one at all. theres a thing about being shameless, you have no reason to fear, because i am a representation of Truth, whether you "believe" it or "think" it to be how you would see it, thus, the world doesnt comprehend what it see's because it see's past thought, i'm free from both. so yeah, whatever your trying to accomplish with that, wasnt moving at the least. but i can assure you, whether you think it exist now or doesnt, it will, and it wont be what i say it is as easy as this existance is momentarily profit, but you know, hey.....

well i could think of a thousand ways that sounded intellectually correct, smarts has nothing to do with it. xian? right, and by the way, if you think your tough shit when it comes to beasties and angels, go for it. i guess evil is so appeasing by intrest it must be revealing to try, i guess being intrest is a provoking experience all in its own, if you think your anything more then human, i suggest you seek some serious conscience divine, you have no idea. stand in the line of death and tell me you wont be beggin for life, because it might not be imaginable because of the imagery inside our heads, but face to face with an evil that wants to rip out the only thing that can save you from this pathetic existance. you dont know what it means to be uncompassionate, there are complexities to everything that is possible, and it is not the least sparing, because, it is uncompassionate. for you, friend, i hope that even you dont see that nature and capability of man, but being a nature all in its own that isnt, has no emotion, and that souless beast, wants to rip your little body to shreads.

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right, you can tell so well because you go by your opinion, i dont have time, this is the weekend, and i've part of this forum for like 3 months now, just havent seen anything interesting to say since then, and when i do, guess what, you suggest otherwise, oh yeah, my name is seth. but you know, you owuldnt understand that either, but hey, i'm a forum flamer, shut the fuck up, dont even give yourself gratification over your own idea. but hey, most of the shit i've seen in this forum was either falsely theorialized or extremely opinionated, which makes perfect sense in trying to know something, rely on what somebody else "thinks." i cant even laugh at that, i really dont want to, so, arrivederci.

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[QUOTE=shaded6] i dont even know why i reply[/QUOTE]

Then quite simply, good sir, don't.

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LOL! You think you're the only one who has seen the carnage, malice, and depravitity the world has to present, please! These conditions are per-se' unconscious/genetic acrimonious truth. We are the *reality* we make. All descriptions, objects, thoughts, concepts, and manufactured philosophies, are simply off-shots from the human collective mentality. When delusion sets in (we) represent these off-shots as truth; i.e. religion, psychology, or society in general. In the final analysis of our beliefs (we) are forced to examine all the supposed truths held dear by the human collective; only to find god, satan, the bogey man, ect. have been and will always be nothing more than externalized aspects of ourselves.

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I am a Christian and I "feel" no guilt or fear of any kind. I would not try to impose those feelings on anyone else either, although I know some wrongly do. I do recognize that I do and have committed evil in this world and for that I repent, not because of a 'feeling' of guilt but because it is the simple truth/nature of my being and I want to be better.

The history of Christianity is bloody, but if it was not Christianity it would have been another religion that man would pervert and abuse. Again, it is not the religions of the world that are the problem, the problem is the very nature of man who will commit evil in the name of God.

Sometimes, evil must be destroyed and hands are bloodied, though. Other times, it is the innocent that suffer in vain.

I find it interesting that people at a Satanic forum would complain about the abuses of Christianity, when Satanism is such a selfish amoral religion/philosophy. What do you care of the suffering of those at the hands of Christians? Are you not Satanists? A Satanist, I think, would admire the power the Popes have commanded throughout history, even if it was based on lies.

Sounds like some Satanists are confused to me.

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What the hell's going on in this thread???

*head explodes*

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Its a dog eat dog world, god left us a long time ago.
if we remain meek we remain weak.
the stong are the ones who question everything.
the strong will inherit the earth.
we were damned a long time ago.
we are our own gods.

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The history of Christianity is bloody, but if it was not Christianity it would have been another religion that man would pervert and abuse.


It has been perverted and abused for centauries. Like the crusades in the middle east, priests abusing trust not only sexual but friggin numerous accounts of child abuse in orphanages. Now where was your god then? In actual fact Christianity has been linked to some of the most awful atrocities man has encounted.
I find it interesting that people at a Satanic forum would complain about the abuses of Christianity, when Satanism is such a selfish amoral religion/philosophy. What do you care of the suffering of those at the hands of Christians?


i personaly complain about the whole deal beacause christianity is so two faced and contradictoryit is quite unbeliveable.

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[QUOTE=Infidel]I am a Christian and I "feel" no guilt or fear of any kind. I would not try to impose those feelings on anyone else either, although I know some wrongly do. I do recognize that I do and have committed evil in this world and for that I repent, not because of a 'feeling' of guilt but because it is the simple truth/nature of my being and I want to be better.

The history of Christianity is bloody, but if it was not Christianity it would have been another religion that man would pervert and abuse. Again, it is not the religions of the world that are the problem, the problem is the very nature of man who will commit evil in the name of God.

Sometimes, evil must be destroyed and hands are bloodied, though. Other times, it is the innocent that suffer in vain.

I find it interesting that people at a Satanic forum would complain about the abuses of Christianity, when Satanism is such a selfish amoral religion/philosophy. What do you care of the suffering of those at the hands of Christians? Are you not Satanists? A Satanist, I think, would admire the power the Popes have commanded throughout history, even if it was based on lies.

Sounds like some Satanists are confused to me.[/QUOTE]
First I am not a Satanist. I am Luciferian by nature. You xians tend to forget (we) have been around alot longer than you and your modern religion. Our mythology has a very strong and sound syntax which (we) keep in perspective, unlike you xians who refuse to accept the truth of mythology. You attempt to constrain a (myth) and force it to be a (truth) of great import, which it is not. "Life itself is the Great Book of Knowledge - not the written works created by the hand of men." "Your religion is a fine example of mis-identified and mis-directed sanctimonious selfishness; no matter what color you attempt to make of it....... it dam' sure isn't white........... mayhaps crimson, or the color of the blood of those who saw through the thin veneer of the xian propaganda machine and were enlightened by the unknowable wisdom of the cosmos, and thus punished for such." They were not blinded by some human archetype created by the feeble mind of man. They were given by the grace of the cosmos the ability to see the whole; they refused to succumb to their xian tormentors, whom exist to this day, dressed as wolves in sheep clothing. "The warning of the 21st century had best be, lo' to all of man-kind, for the beast of the *Messiah* is upon your door-step to steal the freedom of the spirit, thus guard your fortress well oh pitiful man!" MUUAAHH!!! Oh and by the way, as the ol' saying goes............ "WHATEVER" :lol:

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[QUOTE=Son of a Montage]What the hell's going on in this thread???

*head explodes*[/QUOTE]

"Oh..... just hopefully enlightening closed-minded holy-rollers. A tall order, I know." :mrgreen:

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"Oh..... just hopefully enlightening closed-minded holy-rollers. A tall order, I know."


seems a hard task atm lol

anyway lets get back to the subject how do u summon him?

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Oh, you're not a Satanist, you're a Luciferian. I see. That changes everything. Not! :p

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[QUOTE=Infidel]Oh, you're not a Satanist, you're a Luciferian. I see. That changes everything. Not! :p[/QUOTE]

As stated before.......... WHATEVER!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: "You xians are always amusings with your higher-than-thou-oh-I'm-so-mighty attitude." It's rib-busting funny watching you make a**es out of yourselves. Please keep it coming!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Whee!!! This is funny sh*t!!! :mrgreen:

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[QUOTE=AJAtheMetastasis]As stated before.......... WHATEVER!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: "You xians are always amusings with your higher-than-thou-oh-I'm-so-mighty attitude." It's rib-busting funny watching you make a**es out of yourselves. Please keep it coming!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Whee!!! This is funny sh*t!!! :mrgreen:[/QUOTE]
What mystery am I missing, Luciferian? How does the distinction of being Luciferian change anything I wrote regarding the confusion of the Satanists here?

Yes, we Christians are so terrible that when you insult us we usually will shout and curse obsceneties at all the infidels proving our own failure.

Yes, that is all good, but I am just wondering what would happen if you treated a fellow Satanist that way that actually cared about Christianity, one that embraced Christianity for various reasons, but secretly would tear your Luciferian fluffy ass apart for inferring to be able to understand anything whatsoever about him or her and for not being true to your own religion. How can you presume to judge the two-faced Christians of anything when your religion embraces the behavior?

You understand nothing.

If you live in a Christian dominated society as a Luciferian/Satanist you lack understanding if you proclaim to be anything other than a Christian.

I, on the other hand, am a true Christian, and so feel free to ignore anything I write, Luciferian.

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