How to achieve tangible/visible results.

[Torch63]

I've been practicing magic, in the form of sigils, for a while now. It's been useful, but I haven't received any results that couldn't just be blind luck or a coincidence. What's some ritual or process, preferably a pretty simple one, that can actually let me see or hear or touch something mystical?

[Frumens]

Energy work, astral projection, and developing your psychic senses are feasible options. My first visceral experience came from practicing the Middle Pillar Ritual as taught in Donald Kraig's Modern Magick. I followed the directions exactly, so it took me 3 months of practice to reach that point. You probably won't feel it if you just do it once. However, there are probably faster ways to have an experience than doing MPR every day. Hmm, well, people like to recommend Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways for energy work. It's free on the Internet. He also has a couple of astral projection books.

[magari]

Practice

Some results you seek take years to come to fruition.

However, the amount of determination, focus, willpower, and confidence you have can help speed things up. You get out of life what you put into it.

[Shinichi]

The correct training of your entire being -- mind, soul and body, or however you choose to label the parts of yourself. Someone who wants a stronger body needs to exercise and do the right training; developing strength, balance, flexibility, and stamina. Someone who wants a stronger soul needs to exercise and do the right training; breathing exercises and similar energy work, for starters. Someone who wants a stronger mind needs to exercise and do the right training; mental discipline, the plastic imagination, awareness and consciousness development.

Sigil magic is common. I've known magicians who have done powerful things with it, but most of them periodically end up where you are now -- questioning the chain of events that led to the manifestation. I don't have that problem because when I do cast a spell (and with my mystic goals, that's not the main purpose of most of my training) I am used to getting results quickly or even instantly, or exactly as I set it up if it's an intentionally long term thing. I'm used to being around others who get results quickly or instantly, too. A few weeks ago my young niece and nephew summoned rain instantly. . .by playing The Song of Storms from Zelda and doing a funny made up rain dance, amusingly enough.

If you want to get more, than give more. Do the training to develop yourself, become stronger, and magic will work the way that you want it to -- or as the old verse says, "the Kingdom of Heaven is within you."



~:Shin:~

[Rin]

As the others have said, it's all about training to balance and strengthen the mind, energetic body (or bodies) and physical body. There are dozens of systems for doing this, the various strains of hermetic magic/yoga and tantra/chi kung and nei kung/the internal martial arts/a few other more eclectic systems (such as the one put together by Robert Bruce)/I'm sure I'm missing a few. It's all about finding a decent system which feels right for you and gives you what you want. You need a more specific goal than wanting to "actually... see or hear or touch something mystical." Do you want to perform rituals and summon spirits? Cast spells? Leave your body and explore other planes of existence? Utilize your internal energy to heal or to perform preternatural martial feats? Control the elemental forces of the universe? Reach mystical union with the divine? etc etc. There are a lot of possibilities which will give you very tangible, very real experiences, but it's up to you which ones you want to pursue. Most systems will have more than one of those goals/experiences/phenomena, either intentionally pursued or as a side effect of their training, but no system will have all of them.

[minervajane]

My first experience came with simple meditation, and it happened rather quickly and repeatedly at frist. Meditation will be involved in most any path, so you could start with that, if you haven't already. It might help you decide which way to go, too.

[RoseRed]

Perhaps sigils just aren't your 'thing'.

Have you looked into Psyionics at all?

[Hadit]

93.

Every intentional act of Will I'd magick, and there is not mystical / non mystical duality. How could you possibly not see, hear, and touch your results?