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Yeah seriously thats not cool DOH!!!! You are extremely violent for a mod!!!
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Original post: Wolf Spider
As with all "colors" of peoples, their are the highly evolved and then of course the low life's.
Having lived with Native American tribes of many Nations, we know that the one's that choose idiotic, "toilet-bowl' ways of dealing with creatures, or people, are usually strung out on alcohol, or any number of street chem's. Their ancient traditions taught by their grandparent's go out the window quickly.
This subject that LH began about the baby Ravens is definitely a post appropriate to any/all Native topics.
As with all "colors" of peoples, their are the highly evolved and then of course the low life's.
Having lived with Native American tribes of many Nations, we know that the one's that choose idiotic, "toilet-bowl' ways of dealing with creatures, or people, are usually strung out on alcohol, or any number of street chem's. Their ancient traditions taught by their grandparent's go out the window quickly.
This subject that LH began about the baby Ravens is definitely a post appropriate to any/all Native topics.
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Original post: Dark Lion
^ Do they differentiate between crows and ravens? Both have mystical attributes ascribed to them and they're of the same stock as it were....
^ Do they differentiate between crows and ravens? Both have mystical attributes ascribed to them and they're of the same stock as it were....
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Original post: doh
Yes, there is a difference. Crows are harbingers of the physcial. Ravens are harbingers of the spiritual.
Yes, there is a difference. Crows are harbingers of the physcial. Ravens are harbingers of the spiritual.
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Original post: Dark Lion
Tough to tell the diffrence.
Don't think ravens bring that air of dread that crows manage to, all the other animals hide when crows are about. Amazing animals. Not sure ravens bring that air with them... and they don't squark either.
Still, what was thought to be a raven could well be a small crow.
**Dwells on trivial issue**
Tough to tell the diffrence.
Don't think ravens bring that air of dread that crows manage to, all the other animals hide when crows are about. Amazing animals. Not sure ravens bring that air with them... and they don't squark either.
Still, what was thought to be a raven could well be a small crow.
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
Ravens are huge and dangerous, and crows are small and annoying. Esoterically speaking, of course...
Ravens are huge and dangerous, and crows are small and annoying. Esoterically speaking, of course...
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Original post: winged one
I agree, the original left handed path wouldn't give two craps about blasting baby birds. But I suppose there's a new left handed path. I call it the left handed left handed. It's the opposite of the right handed but inverts the motivation of the left handed. Er..or something like that. Gotta say also...all those pro-anarchists out there would be voted most likely to get their but kicked and be crying for their mommy in true anarchy.
As for killing the ravens. Tis sad. But the assumption that Native American must some how be more spiritual or highly evolved then the average person is false. It's like assuming that a priest must be a moral person to be a priest or that the doctor must be smarter then us because he/she finished med school. Can't judge a people based on their highest ideals. They're just people.
On a personal note, don't like the idea of killing ravens, or wolves but if I was a farmer or rancher and they kept getting into my stock I'd sure as hell be pissed. I like coyotes but I want them to stay the hell away from the ducks that are on my pond. (I'm quite fond of the ducks). Course I don't know that I could shoot them.
And if there was really no point in shooting the ravens then the bastards neighbors suck. It's like the guys I know that go hunting just to shoot the shit out of things. I don't have a lot of respect for them. Sorry your mom lost her baby ravens.
PS When did we start being able to swear?
LucianAccendus;277064 wrote:Ave
I really don't have to defend my position, it speaks for its self. As for how it is Left Handed, how isn't it? Is the LHP now supposed to include the idea of "innocence" and "protection of the weak"? That sounds like the other side of the coin to me...
I agree, the original left handed path wouldn't give two craps about blasting baby birds. But I suppose there's a new left handed path. I call it the left handed left handed. It's the opposite of the right handed but inverts the motivation of the left handed. Er..or something like that. Gotta say also...all those pro-anarchists out there would be voted most likely to get their but kicked and be crying for their mommy in true anarchy.
As for killing the ravens. Tis sad. But the assumption that Native American must some how be more spiritual or highly evolved then the average person is false. It's like assuming that a priest must be a moral person to be a priest or that the doctor must be smarter then us because he/she finished med school. Can't judge a people based on their highest ideals. They're just people.
On a personal note, don't like the idea of killing ravens, or wolves but if I was a farmer or rancher and they kept getting into my stock I'd sure as hell be pissed. I like coyotes but I want them to stay the hell away from the ducks that are on my pond. (I'm quite fond of the ducks). Course I don't know that I could shoot them.
And if there was really no point in shooting the ravens then the bastards neighbors suck. It's like the guys I know that go hunting just to shoot the shit out of things. I don't have a lot of respect for them. Sorry your mom lost her baby ravens.
PS When did we start being able to swear?
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Original post: Bone_Dancer
I would say they are very violent and ignorant Navajo, considering the Raven is part of the Navajo cosmology myths. Ravens are the jokesters or the pranksters, much like Coyote spirit.
Why, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the fates sought to teach them to remember the ancestor way when something like Raven spirit and prankish occurred well after this incident. Like the cornfield catching fire, so that there is not one kernel that remains, that they thought so valuable in it's time it was worth killing new life, helpless to a bullets that found the nest. After all, how much corn can a Raven couple eat!? Certainly not enough to make the difference slaughter of baby Ravens did, when it was the parents that were left alive to breed more in the next season of corn.
LadyHydralisk;276222 wrote:Ok there was this nest of baby ravens on a telephone pole on the road my family lives on, on the navajo reservation, and these navajos shot the baby ravens because they were eating their corn.
My mom painted a sign that said "YOU ARE CURSED FOREVER YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES" and stuck it in front of their corn field. Because she used to go and feed the parents and now, the parents just sit in front of my mom's shack without any babies...
What do you think of that?
I would say they are very violent and ignorant Navajo, considering the Raven is part of the Navajo cosmology myths. Ravens are the jokesters or the pranksters, much like Coyote spirit.
Why, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the fates sought to teach them to remember the ancestor way when something like Raven spirit and prankish occurred well after this incident. Like the cornfield catching fire, so that there is not one kernel that remains, that they thought so valuable in it's time it was worth killing new life, helpless to a bullets that found the nest. After all, how much corn can a Raven couple eat!? Certainly not enough to make the difference slaughter of baby Ravens did, when it was the parents that were left alive to breed more in the next season of corn.
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Original post: Lucian
Aaaaah... yess.... I know. There seem to be as many Left-Hand Paths as there are feet to walk them. We keep trying to define what it is and what it isn't. Everyone's got an opinion. What an exercise in futility. Don't you people know? The only true LHP is my own.:rolleyes: :p
Fuck it. Who cares?
What "original" LHP are you referring to?
I don't think we're technically allowed to swear.
But we do it anyway.
Because we're very naughty.:evil:
winged one wrote:I agree, the original left handed path wouldn't give two craps about blasting baby birds. But I suppose there's a new left handed path. I call it the left handed left handed. It's the opposite of the right handed but inverts the motivation of the left handed. Er..or something like that. Gotta say also...all those pro-anarchists out there would be voted most likely to get their but kicked and be crying for their mommy in true anarchy.
Aaaaah... yess.... I know. There seem to be as many Left-Hand Paths as there are feet to walk them. We keep trying to define what it is and what it isn't. Everyone's got an opinion. What an exercise in futility. Don't you people know? The only true LHP is my own.:rolleyes: :p
Fuck it. Who cares?
What "original" LHP are you referring to?
I don't think we're technically allowed to swear.
But we do it anyway.
Because we're very naughty.:evil:
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
m1thr0s started it
m1thr0s started it
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Original post: winged one
My understanding (and it's limited but comes from being around a bunch of sorcerers and chaotes) is that the left handed path is the selfish path . Basically the person on it is pursuing their goals and can and will do what ever it takes to get there. They're not too concerned with morals.
Originally the term left and right hand path come from tantra don't they?
My version of of left handed left handed is the opposition of and rejection of traditional useless religion but still doing some good, just in my own way. Wait maybe that makes me Right handed left handed pathed..er.... No...I just hate all that the right handed path represents. Screw it, I'm on the bat path.
Yep I haven't been on the forums for about a year...there's definitely more swearing. Lol.
Lucian;286906 wrote:Aaaaah... yess.... I know. There seem to be as many Left-Hand Paths as there are feet to walk them. We keep trying to define what it is and what it isn't. Everyone's got an opinion. What an exercise in futility. Don't you people know? The only true LHP is my own.:rolleyes: :p
Fuck it. Who cares?
What "original" LHP are you referring to?
I don't think we're technically allowed to swear.
But we do it anyway.
Because we're very naughty.:evil:
My understanding (and it's limited but comes from being around a bunch of sorcerers and chaotes) is that the left handed path is the selfish path . Basically the person on it is pursuing their goals and can and will do what ever it takes to get there. They're not too concerned with morals.
Originally the term left and right hand path come from tantra don't they?
My version of of left handed left handed is the opposition of and rejection of traditional useless religion but still doing some good, just in my own way. Wait maybe that makes me Right handed left handed pathed..er.... No...I just hate all that the right handed path represents. Screw it, I'm on the bat path.
Yep I haven't been on the forums for about a year...there's definitely more swearing. Lol.
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
I don't believe the left-handed path is selfish at all, on the contrary I would say that the most selfless individuals on the planet follow the left hand path. We see this theme repeated in the tantras, for example, where the adept will sacrifice even his own self respectability if it is for the good of the whole community. Our community is very broad now, so this takes the form of care of ecology of entire ecosystems and even thoughts about down the road, ie, how are we going to get off this rock?
I don't much care for people who set their sights on less lofty goals, or m,ake remarks to me that I should be more self respectable for the sake of a few moments of fame around people who matter not in the grand scheme of reality.
For example a person who is really bent on impressing people at a university or some snob organization is really no better than the next useless consumer - they will be forgotten in a dozen years or so.
Think - Crowley - he was true left hand path, he went his own way and cared deeply about mankind - that is the feeling I get from his writings, anyways. He sacrificed a lot of his own respectability for the long term goal - the great work. This bothered him, I think, but it needn't have. Perhaps he would have gotten more done if he wasn't so busy trying to impress the neighbors or competing with the Golden Dawn and company. We love Crowley - Israel Regardia, for all of his tedious writings wasn't much effective in gathering new devotees to the world of higher magick - he was just a pawn of society.
I'm ranting because I want to show people what the world is really about. The fact is you're going to die at some point in the very near future. Will you have left a mark on this world that will count for future generations? Or are you merely pandering to the dead weight of the past, the lumbering behemoth of social turmoil and bureaucracy?
This may seem completely unrelated to the ravens in the above tale, but it is actually very connected. In some ways the telling of this tale will manage to change more minds than the repetitive nonsense that Enochian or The Golden Dawn drills on about, that has no real charismatic draw to it. Aesthetics are everything, come to think of it.
Native Americans tend to think in these terms also - if it is not beautiful and fun, then why practice it? The raven is a symbol of coarseness and the deepest, darkest magickal secrets. So in a way this resonates as a sort of affront to the world of magick and power itself - if even small animals are not safe from what is regarded as a highly spiritual nation (the Navajo) then we have fallen far from the tree indeed. (as a species, honestly)
Now it's not particular important for everyone to understand why I do the things I do - but there is always a reason - that reason is hidden in my own mind and the mind of the god Ningishzidda who controls me. Who can see beyond the world of shadow and light when we are sunk so deep in samsara we think that nothing is more important than careers and work and cars and glittery rocks?
I don't believe the left-handed path is selfish at all, on the contrary I would say that the most selfless individuals on the planet follow the left hand path. We see this theme repeated in the tantras, for example, where the adept will sacrifice even his own self respectability if it is for the good of the whole community. Our community is very broad now, so this takes the form of care of ecology of entire ecosystems and even thoughts about down the road, ie, how are we going to get off this rock?
I don't much care for people who set their sights on less lofty goals, or m,ake remarks to me that I should be more self respectable for the sake of a few moments of fame around people who matter not in the grand scheme of reality.
For example a person who is really bent on impressing people at a university or some snob organization is really no better than the next useless consumer - they will be forgotten in a dozen years or so.
Think - Crowley - he was true left hand path, he went his own way and cared deeply about mankind - that is the feeling I get from his writings, anyways. He sacrificed a lot of his own respectability for the long term goal - the great work. This bothered him, I think, but it needn't have. Perhaps he would have gotten more done if he wasn't so busy trying to impress the neighbors or competing with the Golden Dawn and company. We love Crowley - Israel Regardia, for all of his tedious writings wasn't much effective in gathering new devotees to the world of higher magick - he was just a pawn of society.
I'm ranting because I want to show people what the world is really about. The fact is you're going to die at some point in the very near future. Will you have left a mark on this world that will count for future generations? Or are you merely pandering to the dead weight of the past, the lumbering behemoth of social turmoil and bureaucracy?
This may seem completely unrelated to the ravens in the above tale, but it is actually very connected. In some ways the telling of this tale will manage to change more minds than the repetitive nonsense that Enochian or The Golden Dawn drills on about, that has no real charismatic draw to it. Aesthetics are everything, come to think of it.
Native Americans tend to think in these terms also - if it is not beautiful and fun, then why practice it? The raven is a symbol of coarseness and the deepest, darkest magickal secrets. So in a way this resonates as a sort of affront to the world of magick and power itself - if even small animals are not safe from what is regarded as a highly spiritual nation (the Navajo) then we have fallen far from the tree indeed. (as a species, honestly)
Now it's not particular important for everyone to understand why I do the things I do - but there is always a reason - that reason is hidden in my own mind and the mind of the god Ningishzidda who controls me. Who can see beyond the world of shadow and light when we are sunk so deep in samsara we think that nothing is more important than careers and work and cars and glittery rocks?
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Original post: Semangelof
First of all Raven's dont eat corn?
Second of all Raven's dont usually live anywhere close to humans.
(But then again you live in the new world and all the animals are high on some super-catnip or over there, just look at your chipmunk's and raccons they are not affraid at all)
Sounds like a tragic story, now Im of to eat some fried chicken!
No but seriously, dont know what to say, poor ravens,
maybe you should go and talk to the older women in their tribe?
First of all Raven's dont eat corn?
Second of all Raven's dont usually live anywhere close to humans.
(But then again you live in the new world and all the animals are high on some super-catnip or over there, just look at your chipmunk's and raccons they are not affraid at all)
Sounds like a tragic story, now Im of to eat some fried chicken!
No but seriously, dont know what to say, poor ravens,
maybe you should go and talk to the older women in their tribe?
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Original post: LadyHydralisk
Yes, they do eat corn. Ravens are found all over Gallup, NM, on the telephone poles, standing on the shopfronts and hovering around McDonald's etc. The place is covered in huge black birds. They are very prominent.
My mother technically is one of the older women in their tribe, her husband is the pipe carrier for the entire nation. The Navajo nation is one of the largest in the United Stated, covering 30,000 square miles or so...
Just a little perspective there....reservations and tribes arn't nearly as homey and tribal as one might imagine...not even the Hopi are that backwater.
Yes, they do eat corn. Ravens are found all over Gallup, NM, on the telephone poles, standing on the shopfronts and hovering around McDonald's etc. The place is covered in huge black birds. They are very prominent.
My mother technically is one of the older women in their tribe, her husband is the pipe carrier for the entire nation. The Navajo nation is one of the largest in the United Stated, covering 30,000 square miles or so...
Just a little perspective there....reservations and tribes arn't nearly as homey and tribal as one might imagine...not even the Hopi are that backwater.
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Original post: Wolf Spider
Myself, although Native American + , and a lover of White Buffalo Woman (another so-called Goddess of our's ) it is also kewl to enjoy the company of Rah, Nashrimadeva or even that jazzy Monkey God Hanuman. Diversification adds spice. Curses are AOK if one has trespassed and is too nasty. Besides, sometimes lessons need to be taught with some real wicked bites addded.
Respectfully
Myself, although Native American + , and a lover of White Buffalo Woman (another so-called Goddess of our's ) it is also kewl to enjoy the company of Rah, Nashrimadeva or even that jazzy Monkey God Hanuman. Diversification adds spice. Curses are AOK if one has trespassed and is too nasty. Besides, sometimes lessons need to be taught with some real wicked bites addded.
Respectfully
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Original post: winged one
Ok, so you have an amazing understanding of the left hand path. Most of the people I've met who practice it are selfish and self-centered. (Not people from the forum by the way) And when I say selfish I don't mean according to what society or culture considers selfish..I mean straight out fundamentally selfish. (Saying that, I haven't got one iota of a problem with it)
I think it all depends on what version any person is taking seriously...and then further whether or not they're capable of interpreting at the spiritual level or what I consider lower levels, the intellectual and then the moral. (The moral is the lowest level of understanding)
It's use in the Occult was originally meant to refer to immoral religions. Not amoral, immoral.
In tantra it is one of two paths to enlightenment. It's actually the quicker path.
I'm absolutely not arguing against the left handed path being anything you said.
I just don't think enough people are "enlightened" enough (or whatever you want call it) that the average person sees it that way. But such is the problem with all paths.
Amen sister, walk your path beautifully.
Honestly...I think all paths are valid. Sure some of them piss me off, but they're all expression of consciousness. The universe equally cares and uncares about us all. Even the fundamentally retarded, unenlightened yayhoos out there.
On a mostly unrelated subject.
What the hell is the equivalent of amen in Satanism?
apparently I need to learn more about it (satanism)cause that seems to be where all the people hang out.
LadyHydralisk;287274 wrote:I don't believe the left-handed path is selfish at all, on the contrary I would say that the most selfless individuals on the planet follow the left hand path. We see this theme repeated in the tantras, for example, where the adept will sacrifice even his own self respectability if it is for the good of the whole community. Our community is very broad now, so this takes the form of care of ecology of entire ecosystems and even thoughts about down the road, ie, how are we going to get off this rock?
Ok, so you have an amazing understanding of the left hand path. Most of the people I've met who practice it are selfish and self-centered. (Not people from the forum by the way) And when I say selfish I don't mean according to what society or culture considers selfish..I mean straight out fundamentally selfish. (Saying that, I haven't got one iota of a problem with it)
I think it all depends on what version any person is taking seriously...and then further whether or not they're capable of interpreting at the spiritual level or what I consider lower levels, the intellectual and then the moral. (The moral is the lowest level of understanding)
It's use in the Occult was originally meant to refer to immoral religions. Not amoral, immoral.
In tantra it is one of two paths to enlightenment. It's actually the quicker path.
I'm absolutely not arguing against the left handed path being anything you said.
I just don't think enough people are "enlightened" enough (or whatever you want call it) that the average person sees it that way. But such is the problem with all paths.
Amen sister, walk your path beautifully.
Honestly...I think all paths are valid. Sure some of them piss me off, but they're all expression of consciousness. The universe equally cares and uncares about us all. Even the fundamentally retarded, unenlightened yayhoos out there.
On a mostly unrelated subject.
What the hell is the equivalent of amen in Satanism?
apparently I need to learn more about it (satanism)cause that seems to be where all the people hang out.
Lady H wrote:Ravens are huge and dangerous, and crows are small and annoying. Esoterically speaking, of course...
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Original post: Semangelof
Here we dont have much corn and I belived they where mainly scavangers...
Here in the old world they keep away, guess they have learnt...
So I guess that you are almost like the equialent to european royalty then?
:rolleyes:
I was a stranger who got lost in the Arizona desert, my friend's had been arrested for drunk-driving & misorderly conduct,
the cops had left me all alone on the road,
wearing only a pair of swimming trunks...
A group of Mohave's picked me up and took good care of me and gave me shelter for the night , also breakfast, they even gave me a brand new shirt! Some of the most hospitable people I ever met...
Even though during that night I was challanged to "go out side and fight" a few times and and well, I belive Im lucky to be alive and that's all thank's to a women of that tribe who probably saved my life,
anyway
My impression as a "hobby antropolgist" was that the women are the once who are really calling the shoot's in these community's?
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And to "round off" of my rambling's,
Here is the Norse Raven flag and a quote I found on a webpage:
Some say there might have been a mix...
Maybe Hugin and Munin would know?
the two ravens of Odin,
Hugin: Thought
Munin: Memory
Here is a quote from the
Sayings of GrÃÂmnir*:
*the god Odin
Wow, they eat corn?LadyHydralisk;287328 wrote:Yes, they do eat corn.
Here we dont have much corn and I belived they where mainly scavangers...
Oh, that's cool!LadyHydralisk;287328 wrote:Ravens are found all over Gallup, NM, on the telephone poles, standing on the shopfronts and hovering around McDonald's etc. The place is covered in huge black birds. They are very prominent.
Here in the old world they keep away, guess they have learnt...
Wow, that's awsome!!!LadyHydralisk;287328 wrote: My mother technically is one of the older women in their tribe, her husband is the pipe carrier for the entire nation. The Navajo nation is one of the largest in the United Stated, covering 30,000 square miles or so...
So I guess that you are almost like the equialent to european royalty then?
:rolleyes:
I once ended up in an reservation,LadyHydralisk;287328 wrote: Just a little perspective there....reservations and tribes arn't nearly as homey and tribal as one might imagine...not even the Hopi are that backwater.
I was a stranger who got lost in the Arizona desert, my friend's had been arrested for drunk-driving & misorderly conduct,
the cops had left me all alone on the road,
wearing only a pair of swimming trunks...
A group of Mohave's picked me up and took good care of me and gave me shelter for the night , also breakfast, they even gave me a brand new shirt! Some of the most hospitable people I ever met...
Even though during that night I was challanged to "go out side and fight" a few times and and well, I belive Im lucky to be alive and that's all thank's to a women of that tribe who probably saved my life,
anyway
My impression as a "hobby antropolgist" was that the women are the once who are really calling the shoot's in these community's?
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And to "round off" of my rambling's,
Here is the Norse Raven flag and a quote I found on a webpage:
You native's or "Skrälingar" as we called you back in the day, kicked the shit out of us and we left, well maybe not all of us?It is frequently assumed that the first flag to fly in America was the Raven banner of the Vikings, the first Europeans to discover and settle (though not permanently) in North America.
Some say there might have been a mix...
Maybe Hugin and Munin would know?
the two ravens of Odin,
Hugin: Thought
Munin: Memory
Here is a quote from the
Sayings of GrÃÂmnir*:
Every morning the two ravens Hugin and Munin, are loosed and fly over Midgard, I always fear that Thought may not wing his way home, but my fear for Memory is greater.
*the god Odin
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Original post: endor957
here-here ! well said and white buffalo women, I'm sure it's an actual goddess within the NA pantheon but I can't help to think of a brother and a big white girl going to the chicken spot listening to 50. funny.
Wolf Spider;287349 wrote:Myself, although Native American + , and a lover of White Buffalo Woman (another so-called Goddess of our's ) it is also kewl to enjoy the company of Rah, Nashrimadeva or even that jazzy Monkey God Hanuman. Diversification adds spice. Curses are AOK if one has trespassed and is too nasty. Besides, sometimes lessons need to be taught with some real wicked bites addded.
Respectfully
here-here ! well said and white buffalo women, I'm sure it's an actual goddess within the NA pantheon but I can't help to think of a brother and a big white girl going to the chicken spot listening to 50. funny.
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Original post: Wolf Spider
[QUOTE=Dark Lion;286760]Tough to tell the diffrence.
Don't think ravens bring that air of dread that crows manage to, all the other animals hide when crows are about. Amazing animals. Not sure ravens bring that air with them... and they don't squark either.
Still, what was thought to be a raven could well be a small crow.
**Dwells on trivial issue**[/QUOTE]
To share in a good way on this particular subject: I live 24/7 with Raven. Crow is cousin to Raven and 1/2 the size easily. The beak of Raven is very large, pointed and capable of cutting open tin- cans easily, as well as disembowling a large road kill in few moments.
Ravens have a extensive language, that is highly complex and squawking is one sound used when they are pissed off at certain situations.
Their intelligence, and telepathic powers are on level with the Wolves I live with for over 25 years. Direct meaning: These powers far exceed most humanoids that have crossed my trail.
I share this in a good way, and only as a unpaid Ambassador for Raven (among others):p
[QUOTE=Dark Lion;286760]Tough to tell the diffrence.
Don't think ravens bring that air of dread that crows manage to, all the other animals hide when crows are about. Amazing animals. Not sure ravens bring that air with them... and they don't squark either.
Still, what was thought to be a raven could well be a small crow.
**Dwells on trivial issue**[/QUOTE]
To share in a good way on this particular subject: I live 24/7 with Raven. Crow is cousin to Raven and 1/2 the size easily. The beak of Raven is very large, pointed and capable of cutting open tin- cans easily, as well as disembowling a large road kill in few moments.
Ravens have a extensive language, that is highly complex and squawking is one sound used when they are pissed off at certain situations.
Their intelligence, and telepathic powers are on level with the Wolves I live with for over 25 years. Direct meaning: These powers far exceed most humanoids that have crossed my trail.
I share this in a good way, and only as a unpaid Ambassador for Raven (among others):p
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The stupid navajos down the road and their corn
Original post: Wolf Spider
[QUOTE=LadyHydralisk;287328]Yes, they do eat corn. Ravens are found all over Gallup, NM, on the telephone poles, standing on the shopfronts and hovering around McDonald's etc. The place is covered in huge black birds. They are very prominent.
My mother technically is one of the older women in their tribe, her husband is the pipe carrier for the entire nation. The Navajo nation is one of the largest in the United Stated, covering 30,000 square miles or so...
Just a little perspective there....reservations and tribes arn't nearly as homey and tribal as one might imagine...not even the Hopi are that backwater.[/QUOTE]
My daughter was raised with Wolf beginning at the age of 4 years. She has Wolf Medicine among other lovely attributes and I am very proud of her accomplishments. Whatever trails she has chosen are good.
Her Indian name is Hungry Fox.
Your forum knows her as Lady Hydralisk.
Respectfully,
Fly with Eagle, Runnin' with Wolf
Black Wolf Woman
[QUOTE=LadyHydralisk;287328]Yes, they do eat corn. Ravens are found all over Gallup, NM, on the telephone poles, standing on the shopfronts and hovering around McDonald's etc. The place is covered in huge black birds. They are very prominent.
My mother technically is one of the older women in their tribe, her husband is the pipe carrier for the entire nation. The Navajo nation is one of the largest in the United Stated, covering 30,000 square miles or so...
Just a little perspective there....reservations and tribes arn't nearly as homey and tribal as one might imagine...not even the Hopi are that backwater.[/QUOTE]
My daughter was raised with Wolf beginning at the age of 4 years. She has Wolf Medicine among other lovely attributes and I am very proud of her accomplishments. Whatever trails she has chosen are good.
Her Indian name is Hungry Fox.
Your forum knows her as Lady Hydralisk.
Respectfully,
Fly with Eagle, Runnin' with Wolf
Black Wolf Woman
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The stupid navajos down the road and their corn
Original post: Dark Lion
You're L.H's mom?
Was going to ask you for some advice.... I was once, ''told'' to look into animal shrines... was moving some stuff around my room once and made one by accident, I connected with it on some level as I put it all together. Our culture is much the same but I don't know much about animal shrines only ancestrial ones and I don't know why I connected with it although the figures I had/have decided to put together mean something to me.
The shrine =
A rat (my chinese year sign), an incense dragon and a dolphin statue backed up by a picture of some reeds and a few crystals, quartz and two other ones.
This was pre occult for me, happened a while ago and I've kept the shrine, cleaned it and what not... thought about making some offerings??
Odd cause its not something I've thought about before... don't think I have amer-indian blood in me although some of my family are redskinned... might be more indian/aborigional.
You're L.H's mom?
Cool.Their intelligence, and telepathic powers are on level with the Wolves I live with for over 25 years. Direct meaning: These powers far exceed most humanoids that have crossed my trail.
I share this in a good way, and only as a unpaid Ambassador for Raven (among others)
Was going to ask you for some advice.... I was once, ''told'' to look into animal shrines... was moving some stuff around my room once and made one by accident, I connected with it on some level as I put it all together. Our culture is much the same but I don't know much about animal shrines only ancestrial ones and I don't know why I connected with it although the figures I had/have decided to put together mean something to me.
The shrine =
A rat (my chinese year sign), an incense dragon and a dolphin statue backed up by a picture of some reeds and a few crystals, quartz and two other ones.
This was pre occult for me, happened a while ago and I've kept the shrine, cleaned it and what not... thought about making some offerings??
Odd cause its not something I've thought about before... don't think I have amer-indian blood in me although some of my family are redskinned... might be more indian/aborigional.-
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Original post: winged one
My dad and I went to Montana this weekend. Saw a raven for the first time in 5 or some years. Made me think of this thread.
My dad and I went to Montana this weekend. Saw a raven for the first time in 5 or some years. Made me think of this thread.
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The stupid navajos down the road and their corn
Original post: Emperor Time
I still think it terrible how the white man stole the navajos' and the other native american's land just because they had guns and all. :mad:
I still think it terrible how the white man stole the navajos' and the other native american's land just because they had guns and all. :mad: