This is coming on tonight on the Travel channel at 10:00 pm.
http://travel.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=106660&gid=5726
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Original post: ShekinahMoon
This is coming on tonight on the Travel channel at 10:00 pm.
http://travel.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=106660&gid=5726
This is coming on tonight on the Travel channel at 10:00 pm.
http://travel.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=106660&gid=5726
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Original post: Jenfucius
Thanks for the info. ShekinahMoon. I will look for it. :-P
Thanks for the info. ShekinahMoon. I will look for it. :-P
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I taped it and will look at it tonight when I get home. I'm excited to see a whole documentary just on Shamans and Witchdoctors. I have a lot of respect for Shamans.
I taped it and will look at it tonight when I get home. I'm excited to see a whole documentary just on Shamans and Witchdoctors. I have a lot of respect for Shamans.
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I've been checking this thread to see if you posted an update. Did you watch it? Was there anything interesting that you would share? I missed the broadcast and wanted to know how it was.
I've been checking this thread to see if you posted an update. Did you watch it? Was there anything interesting that you would share? I missed the broadcast and wanted to know how it was.
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[QUOTE=Chahel]I've been checking this thread to see if you posted an update. Did you watch it? Was there anything interesting that you would share? I missed the broadcast and wanted to know how it was.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry. Yes, I watched it on Monday. It was powerful. I got a lot out of the show. They showed Witchdoctors from different tribes and how they worked within their communities. What hit home for me was how the Witch doctors used their powers to resolve daily tribal dilemmas. Like the Witch doctor whose son and wife were not happy living with the Witch doctor, the Witchdoctor and his family were once a member of a bigger clan until an argument spit the clan in two and the family is down and out about the split, and his daughter-in-law had an infection that was taking over her body from a cut on the knee and based on tribal law the Witchdoctor could not heal her because she was a close family member. And he's the only Witchdoctor in their small tribe.
You could see in this man a great weight as he tried to solve all these problems. His solution? Build a new hut for his son and daughter in-law which requires a ritual blessing and feast before it can be given over to his son and his wife. The building of the hut got the whole community involved and excited about the potential feast. When the feast day came the other side of the family was invited to come over to be a part of the feast so the families got a chance to see loved ones they had not seen since the split. There are other Witchdoctors with the estranged family and they were able to treat the wound of the Witchdoctor's daughter in-law and she recovered. In the end the son had a new home, the families got together, the daughter healed and the Witchdoctors did a dance together. Brilliant because now his powers as a Witchdoctor are still seen as effective because all of the troubles represented the wrath of angry ancestors. And his solution appeased the ancestor spirits.
I'll post about some of the other Witchdoctors and their forms of divination a little later.
[QUOTE=Chahel]I've been checking this thread to see if you posted an update. Did you watch it? Was there anything interesting that you would share? I missed the broadcast and wanted to know how it was.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry. Yes, I watched it on Monday. It was powerful. I got a lot out of the show. They showed Witchdoctors from different tribes and how they worked within their communities. What hit home for me was how the Witch doctors used their powers to resolve daily tribal dilemmas. Like the Witch doctor whose son and wife were not happy living with the Witch doctor, the Witchdoctor and his family were once a member of a bigger clan until an argument spit the clan in two and the family is down and out about the split, and his daughter-in-law had an infection that was taking over her body from a cut on the knee and based on tribal law the Witchdoctor could not heal her because she was a close family member. And he's the only Witchdoctor in their small tribe.
You could see in this man a great weight as he tried to solve all these problems. His solution? Build a new hut for his son and daughter in-law which requires a ritual blessing and feast before it can be given over to his son and his wife. The building of the hut got the whole community involved and excited about the potential feast. When the feast day came the other side of the family was invited to come over to be a part of the feast so the families got a chance to see loved ones they had not seen since the split. There are other Witchdoctors with the estranged family and they were able to treat the wound of the Witchdoctor's daughter in-law and she recovered. In the end the son had a new home, the families got together, the daughter healed and the Witchdoctors did a dance together. Brilliant because now his powers as a Witchdoctor are still seen as effective because all of the troubles represented the wrath of angry ancestors. And his solution appeased the ancestor spirits.
I'll post about some of the other Witchdoctors and their forms of divination a little later.
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I really hope this witchdoctors and thier tribes will continue to survive for the future. Many tribes around the world are disapearing forever. Once the tribal community disapears the shaman will simply fade into history.
I really hope this witchdoctors and thier tribes will continue to survive for the future. Many tribes around the world are disapearing forever. Once the tribal community disapears the shaman will simply fade into history.
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[QUOTE=Jenfucius]I really hope this witchdoctors and thier tribes will continue to survive for the future. Many tribes around the world are disapearing forever. Once the tribal community disapears the shaman will simply fade into history.[/QUOTE]The village Shaman will fade in history I agree. I do think there are people known as Urban shamans. Sort of like shamans for the urban jungle. But it is not the same as a Shaman found deep in the jungle or way out in the desert.
The other Shamans in the documentary were amazing as well. There were two shamans who did divination by the innards of cattle. They were looking at the curves and indentions in the intestines and this revealed good or bad omens. It seems that the divination was more about either something was a good idea or a bad idea. There was one shaman who wanted to marry the woman he loved and the other shamans did a reading. The first two readings of the innards of a cow (ther other might have been a goat) were not positive at all. If the couple married then the wife would die. The shaman who was waiting for results was serious about not marrying the woman he loved if the divination did not give favoable omens. It did not help that the night before the first divination his girlfriend's mother died from an illness. In the end the third divination proved to be favorable and they decided to marry. It was felt that the third divination proved that the ancestors had decided to give their blessing on the marriage.
There were two other shaman stories in this documentary. One dealing with a shaman when a 12 year old in his village dies and he and other shamans read the innards of a pig to determine what did this death mean. And the other shaman was living in a village when the chief who had been gone I think a month visiting the "outside" world came back to the village with a broken leg. Needless to say the village did not see that as a good sign. So the Shaman had to cleanse the chief of impure spirits.
It was a great program.
[QUOTE=Jenfucius]I really hope this witchdoctors and thier tribes will continue to survive for the future. Many tribes around the world are disapearing forever. Once the tribal community disapears the shaman will simply fade into history.[/QUOTE]The village Shaman will fade in history I agree. I do think there are people known as Urban shamans. Sort of like shamans for the urban jungle. But it is not the same as a Shaman found deep in the jungle or way out in the desert.
The other Shamans in the documentary were amazing as well. There were two shamans who did divination by the innards of cattle. They were looking at the curves and indentions in the intestines and this revealed good or bad omens. It seems that the divination was more about either something was a good idea or a bad idea. There was one shaman who wanted to marry the woman he loved and the other shamans did a reading. The first two readings of the innards of a cow (ther other might have been a goat) were not positive at all. If the couple married then the wife would die. The shaman who was waiting for results was serious about not marrying the woman he loved if the divination did not give favoable omens. It did not help that the night before the first divination his girlfriend's mother died from an illness. In the end the third divination proved to be favorable and they decided to marry. It was felt that the third divination proved that the ancestors had decided to give their blessing on the marriage.
There were two other shaman stories in this documentary. One dealing with a shaman when a 12 year old in his village dies and he and other shamans read the innards of a pig to determine what did this death mean. And the other shaman was living in a village when the chief who had been gone I think a month visiting the "outside" world came back to the village with a broken leg. Needless to say the village did not see that as a good sign. So the Shaman had to cleanse the chief of impure spirits.
It was a great program.
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Original post: Chahel
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon] It was felt that the third divination proved that the ancestors had decided to give their blessing on the marriage.
It was a great program.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like it was excellent. I wish that I hadn't missed it, but I saw your post too late.
Thank you for filling us in on the program, I appreciate it.
On the story about the multiple divinations, do you think that they were trying for a favorable outcome and that's why they performed it more than once or was it customary to do it that way?
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon] It was felt that the third divination proved that the ancestors had decided to give their blessing on the marriage.
It was a great program.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like it was excellent. I wish that I hadn't missed it, but I saw your post too late.
Thank you for filling us in on the program, I appreciate it.
On the story about the multiple divinations, do you think that they were trying for a favorable outcome and that's why they performed it more than once or was it customary to do it that way?
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Original post: ShekinahMoon
[QUOTE=Chahel]It sounds like it was excellent. I wish that I hadn't missed it, but I saw your post too late.
Thank you for filling us in on the program, I appreciate it.
On the story about the multiple divinations, do you think that they were trying for a favorable outcome and that's why they performed it more than once or was it customary to do it that way?[/QUOTE]
That is a good question. The Shamans felt that the readings had serious impact because their decision would mean if a man would be able to marry a woman he loved or not. Plus there was the funeral rite and they wanted to know if after the funeral rite which I think lasted a few days or a week if the ancestors would be appeased. There seems to have been the thought process that the ancestors could be appeased and you had to do the divination to find out if they changed their minds. That was the impression I got they kept trying to see if the ancestors had changed their minds. I'm not sure if they would have done more than three readings. They gave the impression that the couple's hope was sitting upon that third reading.
[QUOTE=Chahel]It sounds like it was excellent. I wish that I hadn't missed it, but I saw your post too late.
Thank you for filling us in on the program, I appreciate it.
On the story about the multiple divinations, do you think that they were trying for a favorable outcome and that's why they performed it more than once or was it customary to do it that way?[/QUOTE]
That is a good question. The Shamans felt that the readings had serious impact because their decision would mean if a man would be able to marry a woman he loved or not. Plus there was the funeral rite and they wanted to know if after the funeral rite which I think lasted a few days or a week if the ancestors would be appeased. There seems to have been the thought process that the ancestors could be appeased and you had to do the divination to find out if they changed their minds. That was the impression I got they kept trying to see if the ancestors had changed their minds. I'm not sure if they would have done more than three readings. They gave the impression that the couple's hope was sitting upon that third reading.
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Original post: Chahel
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon]There seems to have been the thought process that the ancestors could be appeased and you had to do the divination to find out if they changed their minds. That was the impression I got they kept trying to see if the ancestors had changed their minds. I'm not sure if they would have done more than three readings. They gave the impression that the couple's hope was sitting upon that third reading.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I'm glad to hear that they weren't doing it over and over again just to get a good reading. Not to say that I've never been guilty of that.
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon]There seems to have been the thought process that the ancestors could be appeased and you had to do the divination to find out if they changed their minds. That was the impression I got they kept trying to see if the ancestors had changed their minds. I'm not sure if they would have done more than three readings. They gave the impression that the couple's hope was sitting upon that third reading.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I'm glad to hear that they weren't doing it over and over again just to get a good reading. Not to say that I've never been guilty of that.