Original post: Grey Magician
Many magical texts such as grimoires have been written in Latin and translated into English. Many say that using the Latin words during a ritual or spell give's it a extra umph so to speak. More powerful. Other's say that it just helps the magician keep the magical state of mind. Making the magician seem more magical to him or herself by reciting the spell or ritual in Latin. It creates a magical state of mind, just like ritual music, candle's, and many other props.
So do you guy's think that all the spells and rituals that are written in Latin are just that, words, and all it does is create a magical mindset, therefore making the spell or ritual work better due to the fact that the magician is in that state of mind. Or do certain spells or rituals in latin do carry that extra power?
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Original post: Thalassa
I think without understanding what it is saying, it wouldnt be very useful to use any language.
I think without understanding what it is saying, it wouldnt be very useful to use any language.
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Original post: Daleth
Latin does not have any power in and of itself, but like anything else, it can be useful for getting you in the right mindset if you're a ceremonial magician. Some grimoires are written in it simply because at the time they were written Latin, not English, was the language of the learned. Nowadays, people find the language oh so mysterious, so some of them like to imagine that it has some inherent connection to magic.
Latin does not have any power in and of itself, but like anything else, it can be useful for getting you in the right mindset if you're a ceremonial magician. Some grimoires are written in it simply because at the time they were written Latin, not English, was the language of the learned. Nowadays, people find the language oh so mysterious, so some of them like to imagine that it has some inherent connection to magic.
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Original post: morrigan
[QUOTE=Grey Magician]Many magical texts such as grimoires have been written in Latin and translated into English. Many say that using the Latin words during a ritual or spell give's it a extra umph so to speak. More powerful.
[/QUOTE]on one hand, i (kindasorta) agree that using the Latin words for rituals/spells may give it that extra oomph...i am leaning slightly this way simply because, when translated to English, much of the original meaning can be lost...
[QUOTE=Grey Magician]Other's say that it just helps the magician keep the magical state of mind. Making the magician seem more magical to him or herself by reciting the spell or ritual in Latin. It creates a magical state of mind, just like ritual music, candle's, and many other props. [/QUOTE]HOWEVER, i think that this is true, too...anything that increases your magical state of mind is a good thing, so it is probably a case of personal preference...? i am horrible at pronouncing the Latin words, for instance, and therefore, often feel more confident/competent when using good ole English
[QUOTE=Grey Magician]So do you guy's think that all the spells and rituals that are written in Latin are just that, words, and all it does is create a magical mindset, therefore making the spell or ritual work better due to the fact that the magician is in that state of mind. Or do certain spells or rituals in latin do carry that extra power?[/QUOTE]i'm not a guy, but...:neutral: i think that the power of words is infinite--it doesn't matter WHAT language we speak/chant/recite...our words (or the words of others that we are borrowing) are the most powerful tool that we possess...any words can be 'made' powerful--we control them, so even if we do lose something in translation, we bring our own meaning to each and every ritual/spell--isn't that what REALLY gives it the oomph?
[QUOTE=Grey Magician]Many magical texts such as grimoires have been written in Latin and translated into English. Many say that using the Latin words during a ritual or spell give's it a extra umph so to speak. More powerful.
[/QUOTE]on one hand, i (kindasorta) agree that using the Latin words for rituals/spells may give it that extra oomph...i am leaning slightly this way simply because, when translated to English, much of the original meaning can be lost...
[QUOTE=Grey Magician]Other's say that it just helps the magician keep the magical state of mind. Making the magician seem more magical to him or herself by reciting the spell or ritual in Latin. It creates a magical state of mind, just like ritual music, candle's, and many other props. [/QUOTE]HOWEVER, i think that this is true, too...anything that increases your magical state of mind is a good thing, so it is probably a case of personal preference...? i am horrible at pronouncing the Latin words, for instance, and therefore, often feel more confident/competent when using good ole English
[QUOTE=Grey Magician]So do you guy's think that all the spells and rituals that are written in Latin are just that, words, and all it does is create a magical mindset, therefore making the spell or ritual work better due to the fact that the magician is in that state of mind. Or do certain spells or rituals in latin do carry that extra power?[/QUOTE]i'm not a guy, but...:neutral: i think that the power of words is infinite--it doesn't matter WHAT language we speak/chant/recite...our words (or the words of others that we are borrowing) are the most powerful tool that we possess...any words can be 'made' powerful--we control them, so even if we do lose something in translation, we bring our own meaning to each and every ritual/spell--isn't that what REALLY gives it the oomph?
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Original post: palindroem
Agree'd. Latin isn't considered a "magick" language, per se. Not like greek or hebrew or sanskrit . . .
Some grimoires were written in german too. And although it flavors the ritual, adding to the magicians experience . . its not terribly magickal.
(no offense to germans, its a beautiful language *coughstfucough*)
Latin does not have any power in and of itself, but like anything else, it can be useful for getting you in the right mindset if you're a ceremonial magician. Some grimoires are written in it simply because at the time they were written Latin, not English, was the language of the learned. Nowadays, people find the language oh so mysterious, so some of them like to imagine that it has some inherent connection to magic.
Agree'd. Latin isn't considered a "magick" language, per se. Not like greek or hebrew or sanskrit . . .
Some grimoires were written in german too. And although it flavors the ritual, adding to the magicians experience . . its not terribly magickal.
(no offense to germans, its a beautiful language *coughstfucough*)
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Original post: Diggit
words are not important, only there meaning is of importance.
tough alot could have been lost during the translation, it doesn't really matter. As long as the meaning is getting across.
but I personaly usely use english when using any form of magic and when i talk to myself while it is not my native language. I do not know why, but I just do. Does that make english magical? Well no, but I use it anyway. So use anything you like, ranging from ancient soemerian to the tedybear your girlfriend/boyfriend gave you for your birthday.
words are not important, only there meaning is of importance.
tough alot could have been lost during the translation, it doesn't really matter. As long as the meaning is getting across.
but I personaly usely use english when using any form of magic and when i talk to myself while it is not my native language. I do not know why, but I just do. Does that make english magical? Well no, but I use it anyway. So use anything you like, ranging from ancient soemerian to the tedybear your girlfriend/boyfriend gave you for your birthday.