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anyone ever think of taking the " as above, so below" idea and turning it backwords. just what would this change a wonder.
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Reversing it is the justification for magick...or am I missing something here?
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It means the exact same thing. The "above" and "below" are mutually dependant on each other either way you say it, so to reverse it doesen't change the meaning, IMO.

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Yin/Yang, black/white, darkness/light. It is just a representation of the opposites. I honestly believe that it shouldn't matter in which order you speak or write them.
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I pretty much agree with what the others have said: that it wouldn't matter.

But, one thing does come to mind that might be worth mentioning. In some ceremonial or Kabbalistic systems, the Above is seen as the Macrocosm (God, universe, Tree of Life in some instances, etc.) and the Below is seen as the Microcosm (man, Earth, your immediate environment, etc.). Following this specific paradigm, saying 'as Below, so Above' would kind of be the same as imposing one's will on the universe. And 'as Above, so Below' could be likened to the universe or God effecting the individual or his world. This is really only relevant if you're following this system, though.

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IIn some ceremonial or Kabbalistic systems, the Above is seen as the Macrocosm (God, universe, Tree of Life in some instances, etc.) and the Below is seen as the Microcosm (man, Earth, your immediate environment, etc.). Following this specific paradigm, saying 'as Below, so Above' would kind of be the same as imposing one's will on the universe. And 'as Above, so Below' could be likened to the universe or God effecting the individual or his world. This is really only relevant if you're following this system, though.

Bingo. That's what I was implying (clumsily, I admit) in my post. Magick is the microcosm acting to influence the macrocosm ("as below, so above"). There is a subtle difference... I am looking forward to hearing from some the "'ard core" hermeticists on this question.
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Try turning that.

(for those without latin skills, it means "Thus - There - On this side").

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Turn it around? Then you'd have the M.O. and function of magick itself. You'd also have what Jesus said:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

and Maynard:

"As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend."

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Turn it around? Then you'd have the M.O. and function of magick itself. You'd also have what Jesus said:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

and Maynard:

"As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend."



Beautiful post. You took the guestwork out of it for me.

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"anyone ever think of taking the " as above, so below" idea and turning it backwords. just what would this change a wonder"

But as even a cursory reading of the Emerald Tablet would reveal, this idea is already included:

"It is true, without falsehood, and most certain. What is below is like that which is above; and what is above is like that which is below: to accomplish the miracle of the one thing."

And of course changing it around would have the same meaning. If you say that a shoe is like a slipper then by default a slipper is like a shoe.

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Strange thought - does that mean even Diety has a darkside like us? Like the Shamballic Will has to aspects - good - evil and Shiva the Creator/Destroyer ?

Martin,you might be a good person to ask, where can I get some accurate online info about Thoths Emerald Tablets as I'd like to follow your referernce through?

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Well here is the Emerald Tablet itself, well a translation of it anyway. There is a lot of information online, but nothing beats actually considering it yourself! However, searching the following alchemy website will give you a few commentaries on it:

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/index.html

THE EMERALD TABLET

1. It is true, without falsehood, and most certain.

2. What is below is like that which is above: and that which is above is like that which is below: to accomplish the miracle of the one thing.

3. As all things were formed from One, by the thought of One, so all things were born from this one thing, by choice.

4. Its father is the Sun, its mother the Moon; the Wind carries it in its belly, its nurse is the Earth.

5. It is the author of all perfection throughout the World.

6. The power is strong when changed into earth.

7. Separate the Earth from the Fire, the subtle from the gross, gently and with care.

8. Ascend from Earth to Heaven, and descend again to Earth, to unite the power of higher and lower things: thus you will obtain the glory of the whole World, and the shadows will leave you.

9. This has mores strength than strength itself, for it overcomes all subtle things and penetrates every solid.
10. Thus the World formed.

11. Hence proceed wonders, which means are here.

12. Therefore, I am Hermes Trismegistus, having the three parts of world philosophy.

13. That which I had to say of the operation of the Sun is perfected.



Hope this helps.
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Great...thank you Martin!

That is VERY interesting indeed. I'm going to read it properly later, when I do my 'Sanctum Work'

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you can also find the emerald tablet at sacred-texts.com. very reliable.

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IMO, the 'above' and 'below' are relative, and the ripples go both ways equally.

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martin.. plz dunt post 13 times in a row..

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[QUOTE="Celtica"]martin.. plz dunt post 13 times in a row.. [/QUOTE] Martin was simply re-posting a thread that had been deleted in the last hack attack. He's doing us all a favor.

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"martin.. plz dunt post 13 times in a row.."

They're not all my posts, I do have somewhat of a multiple personality, but I don't go as far as creating new names for myself and answering my own questions!

As Hairetikos has already pointed out it's actually a repost of a thread that was lost with the last hack, it just seemed such a shame to lose so much information so I spent a few hours trying to repost some of the material I found cached in a manner that is easy on the eye. The names of the original contributors is at the bottom of each post, and as I was doing it you'll never know just how much I wished everyone could just have simple names!

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Thanks for the Link. Hermes/Thoth/Ningishzidda has alway been a colorful character. His medical knowledge has only recently been recognized in this last century.

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