CM: An apocraphyl Messenger system?

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Original post: Anathema_Oracle

An interesting idea was spawned by a certain notion I've come across.

It basically states: Magick is the art of making Angels come to you when you ask properly, instead of the traditional Angels coming to you when they feel like it/ are ordered by God.

Is magick a reaction to an unstable and dangerous world that people live/lived in, trying to control forces beyond their own control?

Copts had a number of magickal formulae to ask Archangel Michael intercede on a person's behalf in matters of personal fortune, health etc..

Their vision of Gabriel was of a celestial being capable of giving cosmic wisdom, and has a number of textual incantations...

Enochian, Ceremonial magick, keys of Solomon, are they all just the natural product of people interpreting their religious beliefs..ie: Christianity, Judaism and making it more personal or influential rather then a passive relationship with divinity.

If western magick has its roots in divinatory or transcendent religious practise, how has it evolved into the human using their own "will and intent" without the intercession of a deity?

Is this true to the theme of western magick that the individual has power outside of a deity and its minions, is this an adaption to the modern ideas of psychology and libetarian ideals of the Enlightenment, as opposed to the older Rennaisance and medieval notions of magick?

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Original post: Deckard

Copts had a number of magickal formulae to ask Archangel Michael intercede on a person's behalf in matters of personal fortune, health etc..

Yes, I encountered a web site two or so years ago about this. I was not a believer in magick at the time so I just read it and forgot about it. I seem to recall it was practiced just after the 'time of Jesus'. It didn't say how long before that if at all. I remember they had a very simple physical circle with a pentegram drawn inside it (just as big). Anyone heard of this form of 'angel' magic?

Also, Anathema_Oracle, I assume you mean Coptics here. Incase anyone dosen't know they were the splinter of christianity sent by 'Jesus' to Egypt...

• Paul went to Rome
• Thomas " " Egypt
• etc...

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Original post: No. 5

[QUOTE=Deckard]Anyone heard of this form of 'angel' magic?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have heard of it. The magic involves blood offerings (the mage's blood) to the angels, as well as the writing/drawing of a very intricate spell on parchment. Wax effigies to represent the target and/or petitioner are incorporated. The mage works with both dark and light angels, sometimes hundreds of angels are invoked.

I wish I knew more, but I am new to all of this. It is quite fascinating. I know a few of the practitioners were members of the old pre-hack OF, perhaps they are still around to share their knowledge.

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Original post: Deckard

I know a few of the practitioners were members of the old pre-hack OF, perhaps they are still around to share their knowledge.

Cool, since/if you know who they are I would appreciate it if you would draw their attention to the question.