Original post: Circle
How important do you think it is for a ceremonialist to learn another language, like latin, hebrew, greek? If you have learned another language just for magick, how has it improved your magic? If you have not learned another language for magick, how do you get around the fact that most ceremonial material is written in other languages?
I, myself, have not yet learned another language (unless you count a smattering of Enochian), and feel that it has been a barrier to writing rituals. Sure, there's all kinds of rituals already written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin that I could pick up and use, but I'd much rather write my own. As such, I'm currently self-learning Latin.
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Original post: MaeveQ
I dont think it's very important as long as you really understand what you are doing.
I dont think it's very important as long as you really understand what you are doing.
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Original post: Levavi Oculos
Learning a different language could definately be a useful tool, but probably unnecessary. You could either just use little bits and pieces you already know (maybe taken from another ritual) or get an english to whatever dictionary and grammar book, and you can at least make descent enough incantations
Learning a different language could definately be a useful tool, but probably unnecessary. You could either just use little bits and pieces you already know (maybe taken from another ritual) or get an english to whatever dictionary and grammar book, and you can at least make descent enough incantations
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Original post: Jenfucius
Heres a topic I wrote about language. I thought you guys might find it interesting.
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=6930
Heres a topic I wrote about language. I thought you guys might find it interesting.
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=6930
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Original post: Qryztufre
[QUOTE=Circle]How important do you think it is for a ceremonialist to learn another language, like latin, hebrew, greek? If you have learned another language just for magick, how has it improved your magic? If you have not learned another language for magick, how do you get around the fact that most ceremonial material is written in other languages?
I, myself, have not yet learned another language (unless you count a smattering of Enochian), and feel that it has been a barrier to writing rituals. Sure, there's all kinds of rituals already written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin that I could pick up and use, but I'd much rather write my own. As such, I'm currently self-learning Latin.[/QUOTE]
I'd say it's not all that important, helpful maybe, but not all that important.
Though, I DO reccomend you LEARN what you are saying. It might not be all that wise to evoke a demon using hebrew (when in the incantation you are calling the thing a pansy poofter and that you want it to tickle your private parts with a rake)...just not all that wise is all I'm saying
A ROUGH understanding is likely all that's needed...maybe babelfish could help with some, others I dunno, but there are free translators all over the net.
Personally I'm liking the Sumerian type stuff...I've got document after document of translations...some of which don't match up as well as I'd like...but at least I know I won't be asking any entities to be tickling me with a rake by blindly summoning in another language!
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[QUOTE=Circle]How important do you think it is for a ceremonialist to learn another language, like latin, hebrew, greek? If you have learned another language just for magick, how has it improved your magic? If you have not learned another language for magick, how do you get around the fact that most ceremonial material is written in other languages?
I, myself, have not yet learned another language (unless you count a smattering of Enochian), and feel that it has been a barrier to writing rituals. Sure, there's all kinds of rituals already written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin that I could pick up and use, but I'd much rather write my own. As such, I'm currently self-learning Latin.[/QUOTE]
I'd say it's not all that important, helpful maybe, but not all that important.
Though, I DO reccomend you LEARN what you are saying. It might not be all that wise to evoke a demon using hebrew (when in the incantation you are calling the thing a pansy poofter and that you want it to tickle your private parts with a rake)...just not all that wise is all I'm saying
A ROUGH understanding is likely all that's needed...maybe babelfish could help with some, others I dunno, but there are free translators all over the net.
Personally I'm liking the Sumerian type stuff...I've got document after document of translations...some of which don't match up as well as I'd like...but at least I know I won't be asking any entities to be tickling me with a rake by blindly summoning in another language!
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Original post: Sarx
I started to work with sanskrit mantra this summer and was quite blown away by the power of it. Sanskrit is literally the language of the subtle body/channels and precision in the use of the seed sounds is important. As far as cultivating and holding subtle energy states of body and mind, I've never encountered anything like ot. To that end, I've started studying sanskrit and tibetan (tho as I'm rather slow on the uptake w/ languages, it'll be 20 yrs before I'll function at the 'run spot run' stage..)
As far as the use of language in ritual... isn't it right tool for the right circumstance? making the effort to write and perform a Huna/Pele ritual in Hawaiian- calling the powers in the language of the powers is fluff? Personally, the effort was a big part in the preparation and linkage of mind, effort and intent with the working.
I started to work with sanskrit mantra this summer and was quite blown away by the power of it. Sanskrit is literally the language of the subtle body/channels and precision in the use of the seed sounds is important. As far as cultivating and holding subtle energy states of body and mind, I've never encountered anything like ot. To that end, I've started studying sanskrit and tibetan (tho as I'm rather slow on the uptake w/ languages, it'll be 20 yrs before I'll function at the 'run spot run' stage..)
As far as the use of language in ritual... isn't it right tool for the right circumstance? making the effort to write and perform a Huna/Pele ritual in Hawaiian- calling the powers in the language of the powers is fluff? Personally, the effort was a big part in the preparation and linkage of mind, effort and intent with the working.
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Original post: Grab
Speaking of which... does anybody know what language the "Hekas, Hekas, Este Bebeloy" is? Sounds a little bit like greek or latin, but could also be coptic for all I know.
Speaking of which... does anybody know what language the "Hekas, Hekas, Este Bebeloy" is? Sounds a little bit like greek or latin, but could also be coptic for all I know.