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Original post: dreamy3

hi guys, i have a question. so far in my rituals i have been calling the watchtowers, but recently it came to my mind that the ritual may be more powerful if i called the elemental kings / rulers etc instead.. so my question would be, is that dangerous? and is there a special procedure to call them or do i just call them by name? thnx in advance :)

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Original post: Winnipeg1919

Which watchtowers do you refer to?

If you are using the Enochian form, the elemental rulers will already be present on the tablets. The Enochian elemental kings are of a much different sort than those found in the usual witchie ritual. If you want to know more, then search the Ceremonial Magick forum for information. There is quite a lot of Enochian info there, but you have to look for it before you ask a basic question.

If you are using the watered down form of Watchtowers found in some Wiccan and Neo-pagan books, don't bother the elemental rulers. They are simply not necessary.

As you develop your skill, through practice, you may decide to develop a relationship with each of them. However, this is done one ruler at a time so that you will be able to maintain control. The elemental rulers can be quite overwhelming if you don't do your homework.

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Original post: Mithraic

Hi Dreamy,

It's quite acceptable to only use the Watchtowers. To expand your own experience and learning it can be enlightening to try other invocations such as the Elemental Kings or even if you have a chance - the Huson invocations using animals.

Dangerous not so much, however when invoking any entity you ofcourse should show the proper reverence.

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Original post: The Dark Necromancer

The rulers of the Watchtowers according to my research:

-Sylph, Arcane Master of the Windswept Watchtower to the East.
-Undine, Arcane Matron of the Seaside Watchtower to the South.
-Gnome, Arcane Mistress of the Earthbound Watchtower to the West.
-Salamander, Arcane Patron of the Burning Watchtower to the North.

To call upon their powers you will need their seals. I have them on me but I am afraid my scanner isn't working right now.

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Original post: Athena

Calling upon the elemental kings is just fine, but you would also want to focus on the actual element as well. Btw, this would be a more ceremonial magick type method.

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Original post: Mithraic

I know tattwas have been met with some debate elsewhere on this forum, but it is a great a exercise to use them in conjuntion with or on their own when invoking the elements.

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Original post: Venefica

Are you thinking watchtowers as in Enochian or as in direction and elemental symbols in witchcraft. If as in Enochian yes it can be dangerous to play around with, if as in witchcraft then watchtowers, Elemental ruler, and so on are more or less different names for the same thing and you can mix and match safely.

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Original post: dreamy3

thnx ppl. i will think about all that you said before i do anything new :)

i was thinking about the kings Ghob, Paralda, Djin & Nichsa, as presented in Regardie"s Complete GD, and i know some Wiccans are using them too... Enochian is waaaaay over my league :P

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I believe it all comes down to your relationship with the two types. I enjoy using the elements because of the interesting personalities they all hold.

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Sylph, Arcane Master of the Windswept Watchtower to the East.
-Undine, Arcane Matron of the Seaside Watchtower to the South.
-Gnome, Arcane Mistress of the Earthbound Watchtower to the West.
-Salamander, Arcane Patron of the Burning Watchtower to the North.

actually, in my practice, this is totally different.
i started out using the watchtowers but as i began to work with elemental magic, and found it was a more natural connection for me, personally, i made the switch. Elementals are very raw entities, purely of their element but only dangerous so far as you dare to be disrespectful, as with any entity/deity/thoughtform/what-have-you. in my own experience, simply because of the way i'm made, i have the most problems with connecting to the Southern aspect, the Salamander. as i stated before, what i've learned is totally different that what Dark Necromancer posted. as i see it, it lines up like this:

-Sylph, Arcane Master of the Windswept Watchtower to the EAST.
-Undine, Arcane Matron of the Seaside Watchtower to the WEST.
-Gnome, Arcane Mistress of the Earthbound Watchtower to the NORTH.
-Salamander, Arcane Patron of the Burning Watchtower to the SOUTH.

but like with witchcraft in general, i suppose it *might* change depending on practice and geographical location. some start casting a circle using the north, some start with the east, both work, and really, that's what matters.

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if i could add my 2cents on this, depends on the paradigm you are using... The watchtowers are greatfor enochian magic, yet a more traditional kabbalist would do fine with the archangels in the zohar. Elemental spirits work great, but there is o supreme ruler, even the most famous Ghob, Nicksa, Paralda and Djinn are just regular Kings of the elementals, and their reign is restricted to those beings in their hierarchy. There are many more of these kings, far beyond Pyrrhum, Erami and the other 30 kings described by Franz Bardon, a lllotmore.
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