Original post: Kath_
oh noes! sex is da evilzorz!
ok, now seriously, it is an accepted method (by some) that abstaining from sex is a useful spiritual tool. However, that's not really grounds for ascetics to go attacking every non-ascetic path.
The original post shows a
complete lack of understanding about : what tantra is, how it works, what it involves, what it does, why it is, and what it means. Its like middle school children giggling & whispering about the nudity in ancient greek art, without understanding that it symbolized 'purity' in that culture.
That said, there are dangers in any path, and a discussion on the dangers of tantra could be a decent one,
IF it were informed. Certainly there are 'gurus' who are not true gurus at all. People who seek an influential status for no other purpose than to abuse the system and reap personal gain in one form or another. But that is true in probably every path/government/group/etc. If you have
information about a specific problem within tantra practices today, about a rampant problem of corruption among gurus, then lets talk about
that.
M1thr0s' points about electricity, and subsequently plastics, are what is known as "allegory", and I found them to be related to the discussion. of course the subsequent flaming exchange was was kinda blah, but think about what was conveyed by the electro-platic allegories... that you can levee the sorts of complaints made in the 1st & second post, against
anything, without substance, information, reason, knowledge, or understanding. In other words, no actual case was made by the O.P. to support the assertions of this thread.
Maybe I can illustrate what M1th was trying to say. I could go into the art forum and say
"art is a channeling of evil forces, those who try to lure you into making art are trying to steal your soul, be wary of art teachers who claim you have artistic potential..." I mean, WTF? where's the substance?
off topic - I wouldn't mind being in a flame war with m1thros, just for fun, as long as he wouldn't hold a grudge
Durki, please try not to just attack beliefs that conflict with yours. If you wanna make an informed case that tantra doesn't 'deliver' as a path, or that it is dangerous to practice, great, hey enjoy. But try to keep it in a tone which isn't directly antagonistic to folks who practice tantra, and try to learn
something about the path beforehand. This thread is just gossipy innuendo.
Don't take this as a personal attack Durki, myself sometimes I have trouble not being a bit antagonistic with monotheists. But the difference is, I know a tremendous lot about monotheism, and events in my life have sort of instilled me with a bit of a grudge. Anyway, I've slipped up now and then, and just flamed or used sarcasm instead of making intelligent "discussion oriented" counterpoints. Probably everyone who ever had a strong opinion has done this at some point. The trick is, to realize that's what's your doing, and to realize it isn't really what the forum is for
Kath
:evil: No good, no evil and no separation between self and other. 
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