Original post: Great American Desert
Christ is your major flaw, my friend. You are not a Luciferian, you are a Christian with a Gnostic twist. You may as well represent the 4p/Process Church. Of course I have not opened myself up to Christ because Christ is irrelevant to Lucifer!
God is not "love". Love is a human emotion, a product that developed with evolution. A strong force, indeed, but not divine. God (in this sense I reference Pleroma) is beyond love and tolerance. God has little concern for mankind; it is the lower emanations of Pleroma that have become available to our species, resulting in the archetype we know as Lucifer. Sure, Christ could be retrofitted, but he does not belong.
And I have no interest in harming the person of the Wise Reverend William. I do, however, desire to let it be known that you do not represent Luciferians at all. You represent twisted Christianity. There are those who have begun their path with an interest in Lucifer, but have not yet found themselves ready to shed their Christian past. And that's where you come in, bringing a watered down Lucifer that's safe for public consumption, and the message is entirely lost.
Regardless, I doubt that anything I say here can harm you or your cult. Nobody here cares about me or my opinions, and they certainly don't seem to have much regard for you and your propaganda. So fear not, this is all falling on deaf ears, so to speak.
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Ohhhh, wheeeee!!!!
First things first. Yes, William Sheraton WAS banned from here for being a jackass and preaching. Something that you, yourself, lucifertruth, are coming awfully close to doing, if you haven't passed it already which I'm sure you have. I wanted to see what the followers of Mr. Sheraton (Reverend dropped on purpose) had to say and they completely jive with what I expected they would say.
Secondly, if someone disagrees with you, they disagree with you. Though some Luciferians I know hold to some of the ideals you have mentioned, not one of them is a follower of Mr. Sheraton. In addition, many were Luciferians LLLLOOOOONNNNGGGGG before Lucifer Truth even existed, let alone tried to "spread the word".
Thirdly, Mr. Sheraton and Lucifer Truth have no more claim to the term Luciferian than Wiccans do the term Witchcraft, so I would highly suggest that you discontinue knocking others for use of the term that you feel inappropriate.
Fourthly, if you don't quit pimping your site the way you have been (out of 26 posts, only three of them DIDN'T pimp your site by saying "you can find more here" or "check this out" or "see for yourself" as some sort of innoculate mask-the link in your "signature" is fine) I will consider it spam, delete it as appropriate and possibly issue a or many warnings. You can place it in the "Useful Links" sections and in a signature, but continual advertising it in the vast majority of your posts will be considered a breach of the spam and flooding rules of OUR forum (the one that you are currently on or did you forget?).
Fifthly, I would really appreciate it if you would make an attempt at becoming an actual member here rather than only a poster and actually attempt to discuss any of the claims that you have made without berating others. If you go too much further up that pedastool, you'll give yourself a nose bleed.
Lastly, if you wish to continue to post your articles, you are welcome to do so. However, if you treat others that disagree with your sermon the way that you have treated others so far in the article topics you have posted, the entire topic will be removed.
Have a nice day.
EDITED to add: Oh and
Ohhhh, wheeeee!!!!
First things first. Yes, William Sheraton WAS banned from here for being a jackass and preaching. Something that you, yourself, lucifertruth, are coming awfully close to doing, if you haven't passed it already which I'm sure you have. I wanted to see what the followers of Mr. Sheraton (Reverend dropped on purpose) had to say and they completely jive with what I expected they would say.
Secondly, if someone disagrees with you, they disagree with you. Though some Luciferians I know hold to some of the ideals you have mentioned, not one of them is a follower of Mr. Sheraton. In addition, many were Luciferians LLLLOOOOONNNNGGGGG before Lucifer Truth even existed, let alone tried to "spread the word".
Thirdly, Mr. Sheraton and Lucifer Truth have no more claim to the term Luciferian than Wiccans do the term Witchcraft, so I would highly suggest that you discontinue knocking others for use of the term that you feel inappropriate.
Fourthly, if you don't quit pimping your site the way you have been (out of 26 posts, only three of them DIDN'T pimp your site by saying "you can find more here" or "check this out" or "see for yourself" as some sort of innoculate mask-the link in your "signature" is fine) I will consider it spam, delete it as appropriate and possibly issue a or many warnings. You can place it in the "Useful Links" sections and in a signature, but continual advertising it in the vast majority of your posts will be considered a breach of the spam and flooding rules of OUR forum (the one that you are currently on or did you forget?).
Fifthly, I would really appreciate it if you would make an attempt at becoming an actual member here rather than only a poster and actually attempt to discuss any of the claims that you have made without berating others. If you go too much further up that pedastool, you'll give yourself a nose bleed.
Lastly, if you wish to continue to post your articles, you are welcome to do so. However, if you treat others that disagree with your sermon the way that you have treated others so far in the article topics you have posted, the entire topic will be removed.
Have a nice day.
EDITED to add: Oh and
is akin to saying that Wicca has been "practice collectively for hundreds of years".Luciferian tradition as practiced collectively for hundreds of years
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Original post: Great American Desert
Where can one of his followers be found? Does he even have any? I'm not convinced that "John" isn't the Great Wise Reverend himself.
Every time I go back to re-read your posts, lucifertruth, there's something different in there. Stop editing your posts...make your statement and leave it. It fares much better for the sake of conversation.
On subject, if there are many worthwhile visitors on this forum who subscribe to the Lucifer-leads-to-Christ reasoning, let them show themselves. This "great western tradition of Lucifer" that has been practiced for "hundreds of years" does not exist. You claim to have been raised practicing the "dragon arts", whatever the hell that is, but I'm calling your bluff. There has been no organized Luciferianism in the past. Any instances of similar thought were individual in nature.
You speak of this great Luciferian movement with a standardized Gnosis as though there are many in number. Where are they? Why are you their sole representative? And where are the pre-lucifer-truth examples?
doh;310907 wrote:I wanted to see what the followers of Mr. Sheraton (Reverend dropped on purpose) had to say and they completely jive with what I expected they would say.
Where can one of his followers be found? Does he even have any? I'm not convinced that "John" isn't the Great Wise Reverend himself.
Every time I go back to re-read your posts, lucifertruth, there's something different in there. Stop editing your posts...make your statement and leave it. It fares much better for the sake of conversation.
On subject, if there are many worthwhile visitors on this forum who subscribe to the Lucifer-leads-to-Christ reasoning, let them show themselves. This "great western tradition of Lucifer" that has been practiced for "hundreds of years" does not exist. You claim to have been raised practicing the "dragon arts", whatever the hell that is, but I'm calling your bluff. There has been no organized Luciferianism in the past. Any instances of similar thought were individual in nature.
You speak of this great Luciferian movement with a standardized Gnosis as though there are many in number. Where are they? Why are you their sole representative? And where are the pre-lucifer-truth examples?
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What I find interesting is the discussion forum at Lucifer Truth was closed because those that made inquiries were labeled fruitcakes and the like because they derived from "You Tube" wherein LT posted a video preaching their beliefs in video format.
Now articles that originally appear on the homepage of LT are copied and pasted in this community forum to engender a dialog, advertise Lucifer Truth and profess what is actually Christian Gnosticism in the guise of Luciferianism.
Spam!
It's not just canned ugly meat anymore. :rolleyes:
Sometimes it dawns the facade as Lucifer Christianity and makes me laugh a good long while. And free of charge at that!
What I find interesting is the discussion forum at Lucifer Truth was closed because those that made inquiries were labeled fruitcakes and the like because they derived from "You Tube" wherein LT posted a video preaching their beliefs in video format.
Now articles that originally appear on the homepage of LT are copied and pasted in this community forum to engender a dialog, advertise Lucifer Truth and profess what is actually Christian Gnosticism in the guise of Luciferianism.
Spam!
It's not just canned ugly meat anymore. :rolleyes:
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Spam as it is, it's been told to stop and if it doesn't, just cook up some eggs until three warnings are reached. :evil:
Spam as it is, it's been told to stop and if it doesn't, just cook up some eggs until three warnings are reached. :evil:
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Speaking in riddles is a talent, not Gnosis. Some serious occultists simply don't have the time or patience for such useless crap. But it's great that the Lord William Sheraton had fun.
Do note that in all of his symbolic speech, he still didn't say a goddamned thing.
Speaking in riddles is a talent, not Gnosis. Some serious occultists simply don't have the time or patience for such useless crap. But it's great that the Lord William Sheraton had fun.
Do note that in all of his symbolic speech, he still didn't say a goddamned thing.
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**Sounds of dropping glass, books falling on the floor and a resounding THUD**
Okay, now that I've composed myself, that was also the sound of doh literally falling off of her chair in laughter (the bump on my head hurts).
OOOO, wait, it's a magical attack brought on by MISTER Sheraton. Or maybe just God or Lucifer striking me down for my impertinence. I better watch my p's and q's. Or should I just watch for more coded messages. If you speak in code, you must be some sort of messiah. Or is it pariah? I can never keep the two straight.
Seriously, lucifertruth, though you humor me, you try my patience. The preaching stops. Period. I will not put it any more plainly. If you wish to discuss things, then, by all means discuss in a fashion that is open to all and not only "trained occultists" that have bought into the brainwashing of a fool in the guise of Luciferianism which is only masked Gnosticism with a different front man.
Oh, and just for the record, the nickname doh was given to me by a two year old boy over a decade ago because he tried to cry out my name from the top of the stairs, begging me not to leave, but could only pronounce "doh" instead of my full name. It stuck only because it was cute at the time and, yes, I am guilty of having Homer moments, just like everyone else, trained occultist, self-proclaimed reverend, sheep-like sycophant or average joe schmo alike.
**Sounds of dropping glass, books falling on the floor and a resounding THUD**
Okay, now that I've composed myself, that was also the sound of doh literally falling off of her chair in laughter (the bump on my head hurts).
OOOO, wait, it's a magical attack brought on by MISTER Sheraton. Or maybe just God or Lucifer striking me down for my impertinence. I better watch my p's and q's. Or should I just watch for more coded messages. If you speak in code, you must be some sort of messiah. Or is it pariah? I can never keep the two straight.
Seriously, lucifertruth, though you humor me, you try my patience. The preaching stops. Period. I will not put it any more plainly. If you wish to discuss things, then, by all means discuss in a fashion that is open to all and not only "trained occultists" that have bought into the brainwashing of a fool in the guise of Luciferianism which is only masked Gnosticism with a different front man.
Oh, and just for the record, the nickname doh was given to me by a two year old boy over a decade ago because he tried to cry out my name from the top of the stairs, begging me not to leave, but could only pronounce "doh" instead of my full name. It stuck only because it was cute at the time and, yes, I am guilty of having Homer moments, just like everyone else, trained occultist, self-proclaimed reverend, sheep-like sycophant or average joe schmo alike.
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Original post: doh
[QUOTE=Great American Desert;310927]Speaking in riddles is a talent, not Gnosis. Some serious occultists simply don't have the time or patience for such useless crap. But it's great that the Lord William Sheraton had fun.
Do note that in all of his symbolic speech, he still didn't say a goddamned thing.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he should just rebuild the Tower of Babble (misspelled on purpose) so more people could "get it".
[QUOTE=Great American Desert;310927]Speaking in riddles is a talent, not Gnosis. Some serious occultists simply don't have the time or patience for such useless crap. But it's great that the Lord William Sheraton had fun.
Do note that in all of his symbolic speech, he still didn't say a goddamned thing.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he should just rebuild the Tower of Babble (misspelled on purpose) so more people could "get it".
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Original post: Bone_Dancer
William Sheraton started "Ordo Scio" (Order To Know)
And speaking of Homer Simpson. (I'm an occultist, so I just had to know. ) Linkage
GAD, that link also explains the aforementioned "dragon art".
William Sheraton started "Ordo Scio" (Order To Know)
And speaking of Homer Simpson. (I'm an occultist, so I just had to know.
) Linkage GAD, that link also explains the aforementioned "dragon art".
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Original post: Eronia
[QUOTE=Great American Desert;310927]Speaking in riddles is a talent...
Do note that in all of his symbolic speech, he still didn't say a goddamned thing.[/QUOTE]
He should be a rapper..:p
That is quite true however. Some people think that if they try and "Wow," you with big words, answer a question with another question, and use some colorful metaphors to make their propaganda sound appealing enough, that you won't look any further than the surface. Truth be told...it's all just a crock.
I find it to be quite ridiculous that in reviewing past posts it seems that lucifertruth has edited everything that was initially written. I didn't have the opportunity to read what was said, so I suppose that would make it nearly impossible to post a response....or at least a sensible one at that. Based on what I have read thus far however, it seems that the aforementioned fellow was rightly banned.
**Note, I edited my post because I misspelled a word...**
[QUOTE=Great American Desert;310927]Speaking in riddles is a talent...
Do note that in all of his symbolic speech, he still didn't say a goddamned thing.[/QUOTE]
He should be a rapper..:p
That is quite true however. Some people think that if they try and "Wow," you with big words, answer a question with another question, and use some colorful metaphors to make their propaganda sound appealing enough, that you won't look any further than the surface. Truth be told...it's all just a crock.
I find it to be quite ridiculous that in reviewing past posts it seems that lucifertruth has edited everything that was initially written. I didn't have the opportunity to read what was said, so I suppose that would make it nearly impossible to post a response....or at least a sensible one at that. Based on what I have read thus far however, it seems that the aforementioned fellow was rightly banned.
**Note, I edited my post because I misspelled a word...**
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Original post: EtuMalku
I for one do not find this diatribe upon Mr. Sheraton & Lucifer Truth of any use.
Sometimes it appears to me that this forum (and others) do the 'gang up on' which is certainly counter-productive.
I personally am not interested in the Lucifer Truth but I will listen to what they have to say without attack. To act just as the Catholic Church does truly disgusts me.
I suffered similar consequences when I announced the arrival of the Aset Ka book.
I for one do not find this diatribe upon Mr. Sheraton & Lucifer Truth of any use.
Sometimes it appears to me that this forum (and others) do the 'gang up on' which is certainly counter-productive.
I personally am not interested in the Lucifer Truth but I will listen to what they have to say without attack. To act just as the Catholic Church does truly disgusts me.
I suffered similar consequences when I announced the arrival of the Aset Ka book.
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Original post: Bone_Dancer
Listen to what they have to say!? What would that be that's not been said and then edited when a dialog was engendered that the OT author did not respect, nor could answer to with respect?!
And I would observe that since I posted the article on the agenda of the Catholic church under Pope Benedict and his latest dictum against Satanism, if you imagine replies that address a blatant fraud, a Troll with history in this forum, is tantamount to what Benedict intends for the Satanic faith you need read again and realize you are free to be disgusted, just as you are free to be judged absurd in the comparison of individuals free right of opinion as opposed to a fascist cult entities revival of the Inquisition!
It's an opinion! Not a law.
Listen to what they have to say!? What would that be that's not been said and then edited when a dialog was engendered that the OT author did not respect, nor could answer to with respect?!
And I would observe that since I posted the article on the agenda of the Catholic church under Pope Benedict and his latest dictum against Satanism, if you imagine replies that address a blatant fraud, a Troll with history in this forum, is tantamount to what Benedict intends for the Satanic faith you need read again and realize you are free to be disgusted, just as you are free to be judged absurd in the comparison of individuals free right of opinion as opposed to a fascist cult entities revival of the Inquisition!
It's an opinion! Not a law.
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Original post: frater luciferi
hey, im down with there being other luciferians out there...still though, charging people to teach them? seems to me to be contradictory to what I believe as a luciferian..however no two luciferians are alike, and i guess the key is "whatever floats your boat" on that one.. but im sure as fuck going to call a spade a spade.
hey, im down with there being other luciferians out there...still though, charging people to teach them? seems to me to be contradictory to what I believe as a luciferian..however no two luciferians are alike, and i guess the key is "whatever floats your boat" on that one.. but im sure as fuck going to call a spade a spade.
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You get what you pay for.
There's a Latin to it, but keep it simple. Ya know!? :p
Lucifer Truth.
I read it as metaphor. If you can read thi$ you're on your way to the light. Free of charge.
And the thing is, someone that copies and pastes articles initially appearing at a site wherein it advocates it can instruct in the ringed age old motto, "The only way to know the truth of how it is!" for the price that is less than what every Monotheistic death worshiper cult for JC gains a million fold every service sometimes. (Thinking Mega-Church)
So this is perhaps another way of looking at it....
At least it's making money in direct opposition to the white lighter bullshit that's tried to rule the world for over 2 thousand years.
See, what got the world into what it's in now, as far as I can see.... I wear corrective prescription, just to let you know, is we're all happy as long as what rules the day/world/moment/year, is something we can relate to.
It doesn't have to be word for word, but as long as it is something we can understand and feel safe with, it's all good.
Some people pay large bills, in many ways other than cash, to live that cheaply owned by someone else that promises they know how to make "you" a better person after you are dead.
Some people pay in other ways, being owned by something free. Like, without the cost of the cash they laugh at about others paying so as to believe...in anything. Atheism is a faith. And one hell of one at that. To actually live as if you don't exist as anything special, because there is nothing that could have made you all that you don't even know you are, is awesome~!
God's love ya.
Or not.
Balls.
Think about it.
Even Atheists have faith.
"There is nothing that gives a care..... I am here!"
But what are dreams?! And where do they come from!?
See, I know I could talk the hairs off a Kiwi, but the point of all this is this. Faith precludes fact. So to think LT has anything to offer, for me, is true in one way. They teach me how far I've come, thinking back to believing Yeshua was a kindred thought I could sustain as a Luciferian "all my life". Because in the beginning of my Genesis, as a child of Fundy Xtians, I loved the idea of Jesus. Lucifer in a dress, I know now. St. Francis because he loved animals. Don't ask me how, because the NT doesn't claim that was one of his miracles I don't think. But then I thought if he was that great he must love animals just as I did.
Then I found, much later, how badly his people look.
Now I know we're talking reformed Judaism, but then I loved dreams reading bible picture books. And baby animals are way too cute, but it's a programming to engender trust. See this?! Believe.....
I did at one time.
Then I realized, for me, that was all a lie. Are you kidding?! Look past the facade to the meat. When does it all begin.
This is why Gossip is bullshit. Word of mouth can grow with the imagination of the mind behind it.
What's true?!
This is why I love this thread. Because I could get mad and say for all time; Fucking g TROLL!
And I did.
Then I stepped back and let me think on it awhile.
Lucifer
Truth is, it serves me. As all life is intended in the experience of it and who I morph into to meet it head on.
I thank this author, for now. Before I was pissed mostly. Now I see it for what it is. My answer to my letting myself cling to the Shepard as partly sheep. It's so comfortable to be led.
Feel safe, protected and then that wake up that no one keeps you.
unless you're a slave.
I sometimes pose with ferocious teeth. I'm comfortable there because I've backed many a larger prey down.
And I'm petite.
You get what you pay for.
There's a Latin to it, but keep it simple. Ya know!? :p
Lucifer Truth.
I read it as metaphor. If you can read thi$ you're on your way to the light. Free of charge.
And the thing is, someone that copies and pastes articles initially appearing at a site wherein it advocates it can instruct in the ringed age old motto, "The only way to know the truth of how it is!" for the price that is less than what every Monotheistic death worshiper cult for JC gains a million fold every service sometimes. (Thinking Mega-Church)
So this is perhaps another way of looking at it....
At least it's making money in direct opposition to the white lighter bullshit that's tried to rule the world for over 2 thousand years. See, what got the world into what it's in now, as far as I can see.... I wear corrective prescription, just to let you know, is we're all happy as long as what rules the day/world/moment/year, is something we can relate to.
It doesn't have to be word for word, but as long as it is something we can understand and feel safe with, it's all good.
Some people pay large bills, in many ways other than cash, to live that cheaply owned by someone else that promises they know how to make "you" a better person after you are dead.
Some people pay in other ways, being owned by something free. Like, without the cost of the cash they laugh at about others paying so as to believe...in anything. Atheism is a faith. And one hell of one at that. To actually live as if you don't exist as anything special, because there is nothing that could have made you all that you don't even know you are, is awesome~!
God's love ya.
Or not.
Balls.
Think about it.
Even Atheists have faith.
"There is nothing that gives a care..... I am here!"
But what are dreams?! And where do they come from!?
See, I know I could talk the hairs off a Kiwi, but the point of all this is this. Faith precludes fact. So to think LT has anything to offer, for me, is true in one way. They teach me how far I've come, thinking back to believing Yeshua was a kindred thought I could sustain as a Luciferian "all my life". Because in the beginning of my Genesis, as a child of Fundy Xtians, I loved the idea of Jesus. Lucifer in a dress, I know now. St. Francis because he loved animals. Don't ask me how, because the NT doesn't claim that was one of his miracles I don't think. But then I thought if he was that great he must love animals just as I did.
Then I found, much later, how badly his people look.
Now I know we're talking reformed Judaism, but then I loved dreams reading bible picture books. And baby animals are way too cute, but it's a programming to engender trust. See this?! Believe.....
I did at one time.
Then I realized, for me, that was all a lie. Are you kidding?! Look past the facade to the meat. When does it all begin.
This is why Gossip is bullshit. Word of mouth can grow with the imagination of the mind behind it.
What's true?!
This is why I love this thread. Because I could get mad and say for all time; Fucking g TROLL!
And I did.
Then I stepped back and let me think on it awhile.
Lucifer
Truth is, it serves me. As all life is intended in the experience of it and who I morph into to meet it head on.
I thank this author, for now. Before I was pissed mostly. Now I see it for what it is. My answer to my letting myself cling to the Shepard as partly sheep. It's so comfortable to be led.
Feel safe, protected and then that wake up that no one keeps you.
unless you're a slave.
I sometimes pose with ferocious teeth. I'm comfortable there because I've backed many a larger prey down.
And I'm petite.
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Original post: Scarlett_156
Whatever it is you guys are drinkin--I WANT SOME!!!!
Whatever it is you guys are drinkin--I WANT SOME!!!!
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Oh ....I don't think you'd knows it unless you were there! lol
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Original post: frater luciferi
i like to drink from the fountain...best water ive had.. i think there is a greatful dead song about it
i like to drink from the fountain...best water ive had.. i think there is a greatful dead song about it
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Original post: EtuMalku
Could it be the newly legalized Absinthe that is available in the US ?
Bone_Dancer, I get what you're saying and didn't mean to come off as I did.
Thanks for the Poope Benedict article too!
Could it be the newly legalized Absinthe that is available in the US ?
Bone_Dancer, I get what you're saying and didn't mean to come off as I did.
Thanks for the Poope Benedict article too!
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Original post: doh
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;311098]I for one do not find this diatribe upon Mr. Sheraton & Lucifer Truth of any use.
Sometimes it appears to me that this forum (and others) do the 'gang up on' which is certainly counter-productive.
I personally am not interested in the Lucifer Truth but I will listen to what they have to say without attack. To act just as the Catholic Church does truly disgusts me.
I suffered similar consequences when I announced the arrival of the Aset Ka book.[/QUOTE]My issue with the whole thing is that I can't stand being preached to. It's against the rules here and there for a reason. I have no issue with the fact that lucifertruth has his ideals. He's welcome to them. I DO have an issue with the fact that he discusses nothing other than to tell those that have dared to disagree with him that the are completely wrong and backing it up with nothing other than doctrine from his church. Much like many religions that most of "shun", for lack of better term, do. And then, to make the assumption that Mr. Sheraton is wise based on the fact that he speaks in riddles also annoys me. I have no problems with ideals. My problems stem from how they are presented. Your presentation of something different was met with skepticism, but you presented your argument in an intelligent fashion. You didn't say it was just because it is so.
[QUOTE=EtuMalku;311098]I for one do not find this diatribe upon Mr. Sheraton & Lucifer Truth of any use.
Sometimes it appears to me that this forum (and others) do the 'gang up on' which is certainly counter-productive.
I personally am not interested in the Lucifer Truth but I will listen to what they have to say without attack. To act just as the Catholic Church does truly disgusts me.
I suffered similar consequences when I announced the arrival of the Aset Ka book.[/QUOTE]My issue with the whole thing is that I can't stand being preached to. It's against the rules here and there for a reason. I have no issue with the fact that lucifertruth has his ideals. He's welcome to them. I DO have an issue with the fact that he discusses nothing other than to tell those that have dared to disagree with him that the are completely wrong and backing it up with nothing other than doctrine from his church. Much like many religions that most of "shun", for lack of better term, do. And then, to make the assumption that Mr. Sheraton is wise based on the fact that he speaks in riddles also annoys me. I have no problems with ideals. My problems stem from how they are presented. Your presentation of something different was met with skepticism, but you presented your argument in an intelligent fashion. You didn't say it was just because it is so.
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Original post: frater luciferi
and if everone in the world were buddhist it would be a much more sane rational place..this is my whole heartfelt place.. those pesky abrahamic religions just don't get the joke..neither do a lot of oculltists for that matter.doh;311169 wrote:My issue with the whole thing is that I can't stand being preached to. It's against the rules here and there for a reason. I have no issue with the fact that lucifertruth has his ideals. He's welcome to them. I DO have an issue with the fact that he discusses nothing other than to tell those that have dared to disagree with him that the are completely wrong and backing it up with nothing other than doctrine from his church. Much like many religions that most of "shun", for lack of better term, do. And then, to make the assumption that Mr. Sheraton is wise based on the fact that he speaks in riddles also annoys me. I have no problems with ideals. My problems stem from how they are presented. Your presentation of something different was met with skepticism, but you presented your argument in an intelligent fashion. You didn't say it was just because it is so.
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la la la...pluck out the roots of truth, toss out the rest ....move on, nothing new in the life of a luciferian..Bone_Dancer;311114 wrote:You get what you pay for.
There's a Latin to it, but keep it simple. Ya know!? :p
Lucifer Truth.
I read it as metaphor. If you can read thi$ you're on your way to the light. Free of charge.
And the thing is, someone that copies and pastes articles initially appearing at a site wherein it advocates it can instruct in the ringed age old motto, "The only way to know the truth of how it is!" for the price that is less than what every Monotheistic death worshiper cult for JC gains a million fold every service sometimes. (Thinking Mega-Church)
So this is perhaps another way of looking at it....
See, what got the world into what it's in now, as far as I can see.... I wear corrective prescription, just to let you know, is we're all happy as long as what rules the day/world/moment/year, is something we can relate to.
It doesn't have to be word for word, but as long as it is something we can understand and feel safe with, it's all good.
Some people pay large bills, in many ways other than cash, to live that cheaply owned by someone else that promises they know how to make "you" a better person after you are dead.
Some people pay in other ways, being owned by something free. Like, without the cost of the cash they laugh at about others paying so as to believe...in anything. Atheism is a faith. And one hell of one at that. To actually live as if you don't exist as anything special, because there is nothing that could have made you all that you don't even know you are, is awesome~!
God's love ya.
Or not.
Balls.
Think about it.
Even Atheists have faith.
"There is nothing that gives a care..... I am here!"
But what are dreams?! And where do they come from!?
See, I know I could talk the hairs off a Kiwi, but the point of all this is this. Faith precludes fact. So to think LT has anything to offer, for me, is true in one way. They teach me how far I've come, thinking back to believing Yeshua was a kindred thought I could sustain as a Luciferian "all my life". Because in the beginning of my Genesis, as a child of Fundy Xtians, I loved the idea of Jesus. Lucifer in a dress, I know now. St. Francis because he loved animals. Don't ask me how, because the NT doesn't claim that was one of his miracles I don't think. But then I thought if he was that great he must love animals just as I did.
Then I found, much later, how badly his people look.
Now I know we're talking reformed Judaism, but then I loved dreams reading bible picture books. And baby animals are way too cute, but it's a programming to engender trust. See this?! Believe.....
I did at one time.
Then I realized, for me, that was all a lie. Are you kidding?! Look past the facade to the meat. When does it all begin.
This is why Gossip is bullshit. Word of mouth can grow with the imagination of the mind behind it.
What's true?!
This is why I love this thread. Because I could get mad and say for all time; Fucking g TROLL!
And I did.
Then I stepped back and let me think on it awhile.
Lucifer
Truth is, it serves me. As all life is intended in the experience of it and who I morph into to meet it head on.
I thank this author, for now. Before I was pissed mostly. Now I see it for what it is. My answer to my letting myself cling to the Shepard as partly sheep. It's so comfortable to be led.
Feel safe, protected and then that wake up that no one keeps you.
unless you're a slave.
I sometimes pose with ferocious teeth. I'm comfortable there because I've backed many a larger prey down.
And I'm petite.
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Of course there can be other branches of the Path. That goes without saying. But to declare that Lucifer leads to Christ inevitably, and to tell me that I've no experience with Gnosis because Christ is not part of my mythos, is wrong! The vast majority of Luciferians have nothing to do with Christ at all, and never will. Yet this lucifertruth fellow insisted that I was in an unenlightened minority because I rejected his message. Tolerance of differing ideals can be a virtue, but there is a line and this genius crossed it. I had to give him a platform to embarrass himself and his cult, and he did a mighty fine job of it. I doubt Lucifer Truth/Ordo Scio will ever be taken seriously if John/Sheraton continues to behave in such a childish manner when met with opposition.
I'm reminded somewhat of Joy of Satan Ministries.
Of course there can be other branches of the Path. That goes without saying. But to declare that Lucifer leads to Christ inevitably, and to tell me that I've no experience with Gnosis because Christ is not part of my mythos, is wrong! The vast majority of Luciferians have nothing to do with Christ at all, and never will. Yet this lucifertruth fellow insisted that I was in an unenlightened minority because I rejected his message. Tolerance of differing ideals can be a virtue, but there is a line and this genius crossed it. I had to give him a platform to embarrass himself and his cult, and he did a mighty fine job of it. I doubt Lucifer Truth/Ordo Scio will ever be taken seriously if John/Sheraton continues to behave in such a childish manner when met with opposition.
I'm reminded somewhat of Joy of Satan Ministries.