Satanic vs. Luciferian vs. Christian Theology

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Original post: AJAtheMetastasis

Question......... "How did this *flamer* fly in under the radar?"

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Original post: doh

Okay, I have split the above posts from another topic. They took it WAAAAYYYY off track. Sorry that it was allowed to go on for so long (even if the topic is only a day and a half old).

As far as the flaming, it has been on both sides of the fence with this one, so rather than issue a gazillion warnings, I'm just saying that it needs to stop now. What everyone believes is personal and not likely to change based on misinformation, miscommunication and mutual disrespect. With that in mind, if you come here only to preach, then take it up in General Theology. There are no rights and no wrongs and no absolute truths except for the perception of the individual who is posting at the time and it is for them only. Any more references about anyone going to hell or being damned or just being wrong because of what they believe ends here.

For those that are actually researching and not preaching, please continue the conversation. Christian or Satanist or Luciferian doesn't matter. OPEN exchange of ideas is welcome. But keep in mind that the truth for you is not the truth for everyone and if you insist on ramming down the throats of others how your's is the only right way, regardless of what side of the fence you sit on, I WILL begin issuing warnings. I'm not naming any names, but I'm fairly certain that those that are guilty of this will recognize themselves.

EDITED to add: Having two accounts here is a bannable offense, from the words of the owner himself, and appropriate steps have been taken concerning this aspect of the conversation.

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Original post: SpiritedHellion

:::Creeps in an looks::::

Hehe....all Clear? Hello Everyone:) Glad to see the preaching seminar is over.

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Original post: vrdkrsngsrkl

hello.......ready for batowl again ?.......lol

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Original post: SpiritedHellion

LMAO!!! I went to chat like good ol' Doh said.........Nada going on So here's where i show some of my Ignorance...

What is the Difference between Satanism & Luciferianism, From everyone's point of view here? To be honest...coming here is the first time I've ever heard of a Luciferian.

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Original post: OTN

I think Luciferians make it a point of promoting wisdom and illumination (Lucifer:morning star etc.) as opposed to identifying with Satan's central characteristics, but I could easily be wrong.


[QUOTE=doh]For those that are actually researching and not preaching, please continue the conversation. Christian or Satanist or Luciferian doesn't matter. OPEN exchange of ideas is welcome. But keep in mind that the truth for you is not the truth for everyone and if you insist on ramming down the throats of others how your's is the only right way, regardless of what side of the fence you sit on, I WILL begin issuing warnings. I'm not naming any names, but I'm fairly certain that those that are guilty of this will recognize themselves..[/QUOTE] I think this was probably addressed to me, your comments are understood - I'm geniunely not here to create trouble.

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Original post: vrdkrsngsrkl

i dont know.......but at a guess i would say satanism makes me think of the phsyical
embodyment of the 'beast' !, while luciferianism makes me think of the spirt of sed beast !

but then again maybe there are music bands !

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Original post: Jas

Hehe! Ironically (maybe) the one amusing thing that Infidel managed to achieve is getting 'God' Banned from the Satanism forum. Heheh!

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I would like to read a comparison of Satanism and Luciferianism from those who claim to be such.

I wonder if this (my understanding) is correct: Satanists completely remove the spiritual from the physical, whereas Luciferians attempt to make the spiritual a reality; neither holding anything higher than that which the self may be.



Jas.

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Original post: SpiritedHellion

HAHAHAHA!!!

OKay.......I was thinking similar Jas. I was just wondering how everyone else saw it. I know there is not clear cut and precise way for anyone and each person had their own...but I was curious on what bound everyone to that lable as a whole.

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Original post: AJAtheMetastasis

Both Satanism and Luciferism can be *spiritual* if approached in a *spiritual* context. They can also be very *ego gratification* based, and used for selfish ends like any other belief system.

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Original post: SpiritedHellion

LOL.......Well, I checked it....your definition of Luciferianism isn't there......say's In Progress I'll make sure to keep an Eye open for it later.

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Original post: doh

Agreed on checking the forums here. There are a few topics on what Luciferianism is and what Satanism is. They are a bit buried, but they are here.

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Original post: catrenne1949

Dont you think its a great illustration of needing to prove things to yourself when you have to hog an inappropriate site to talk about yourself. Would like to understand the different strands of Satanism better. If the Christian had more sense of belief in himself he would feel confident to discuss with other Christians. Hope to read some interesting stuff. How much ritual is involved in Satanism, Luciegerianism etc. Understanding that people have the same diffrences as other beliefs on the reality of external gods. Do you use the occult attitude to work with. Do you see yourselves as a religion etc. Genuine interest here
Cat

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Original post: frater luciferi

i dont view the ideals of luciferianism and satanism as very different as much- both are a method of obtainment of godhood. And even in the satanic bible there is a section on lucifer the lightbringer! as one of the crown princes of hell or manifestations of levays idea of satan. However luciferianism is more focused on the aspects of transcendance of the limitations of the physical and the incarnation of divinity through spiritual means = as in the mythos of lucifer who imbibed his essence in man when he and the nephillim interbred with the humans. This mythos is merely a sort of theological veicle for the indoctrination of said principles. and as much the aspect of having a divinity interwoven within the matrix of our more "limited" human essence is in a sense.

luciferianism does make a sort of point of showing people that religion is a false doctrine that envelopes the truth or the kernal of the real essence of divine. and as such within the differing religions of the world there are in essence a fractal permeation of a "real" picture of the nature of divinity or the powers that interweave within different cultural subsets of archetypal foundation and symbology. the launguage as much permiates the very essence of cultural outlets as the arts and as much the same principles and various figures are repeated throughout the echoes of mystic and theological schools of thought.

as a general rule luciferians do not worship lucifer, and as much he is seen in the sense the same as freemasons view lucifer- as the light bringer and fullest emination of gnosis and light. the contradiction to the godhead can be seen in a sense as much if you view the traditional body of religion as a sort of despot that dictates to its subscibers a paradigmal tint of which they see a sort of slant of the real essence of the all. In this sense the seperation from the hive mentality is the formation of a godhood by being as much able to contradict and or take advantage of the understanding of the differing paradigmal subsets that are dictated by the theologians ie clergy ie dictators of the real meat and bones or esoteric doctrine.

luciferians usually try to become in a sense their own god and find godhood through the creation of their own eccentric rythymn and understanding of the facets of the condition that we call humanity. this is a constant process of continuall paradigmal shifts and furthering toward the source of illumination or gnosis. being as lucifer is seen as the divine and the incarnation of wisdom ,knoledge is seen as a sort of key to salvation from the "suffering" that is forced upon us by the deity of which prefers to keep us in the dark. Hell even prometheus in the roman myths was punished for trying to give fire(which symbolises knoledge) to the humans. why is this a reoccuring theme? becuase quite frankly knoledge is the greatest power.

the principle of luciferianism is as much to embody as much a sense of understanding and the continuation of adopting differing facets of truth. as much there is no literalist or fundamentalism involved, and no binding doctrine of subserviance, luciferians view each other as allies in the search for a better way as to combat the daily struggles and towards self betterment. And as much through the light of understanding the kernal of divinity of differing religious truths there is a furthering of the understanding of the process of life and the knowing of the self. this is not a perfect process by far, but in the simplest methods are the greatest rewards.

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Original post: AJAtheMetastasis

[QUOTE=frater luciferi]i dont view the ideals of luciferianism and satanism as very different as much- both are a method of obtainment of godhood. And even in the satanic bible there is a section on lucifer the lightbringer! as one of the crown princes of hell or manifestations of levays idea of satan. However luciferianism is more focused on the aspects of transcendance of the limitations of the physical and the incarnation of divinity through spiritual means = as in the mythos of lucifer who imbibed his essence in man when he and the nephillim interbred with the humans. This mythos is merely a sort of theological veicle for the indoctrination of said principles. and as much the aspect of having a divinity interwoven within the matrix of our more "limited" human essence is in a sense.

luciferianism does make a sort of point of showing people that religion is a false doctrine that envelopes the truth or the kernal of the real essence of divine. and as such within the differing religions of the world there are in essence a fractal permeation of a "real" picture of the nature of divinity or the powers that interweave within different cultural subsets of archetypal foundation and symbology. the launguage as much permiates the very essence of cultural outlets as the arts and as much the same principles and various figures are repeated throughout the echoes of mystic and theological schools of thought.

as a general rule luciferians do not worship lucifer, and as much he is seen in the sense the same as freemasons view lucifer- as the light bringer and fullest emination of gnosis and light. the contradiction to the godhead can be seen in a sense as much if you view the traditional body of religion as a sort of despot that dictates to its subscibers a paradigmal tint of which they see a sort of slant of the real essence of the all. In this sense the seperation from the hive mentality is the formation of a godhood by being as much able to contradict and or take advantage of the understanding of the differing paradigmal subsets that are dictated by the theologians ie clergy ie dictators of the real meat and bones or esoteric doctrine.

luciferians usually try to become in a sense their own god and find godhood through the creation of their own eccentric rythymn and understanding of the facets of the condition that we call humanity. this is a constant process of continuall paradigmal shifts and furthering toward the source of illumination or gnosis. being as lucifer is seen as the divine and the incarnation of wisdom ,knoledge is seen as a sort of key to salvation from the "suffering" that is forced upon us by the deity of which prefers to keep us in the dark. Hell even prometheus in the roman myths was punished for trying to give fire(which symbolises knoledge) to the humans. why is this a reoccuring theme? becuase quite frankly knoledge is the greatest power.

the principle of luciferianism is as much to embody as much a sense of understanding and the continuation of adopting differing facets of truth. as much there is no literalist or fundamentalism involved, and no binding doctrine of subserviance, luciferians view each other as allies in the search for a better way as to combat the daily struggles and towards self betterment. And as much through the light of understanding the kernal of divinity of differing religious truths there is a furthering of the understanding of the process of life and the knowing of the self. this is not a perfect process by far, but in the simplest methods are the greatest rewards.[/QUOTE]

As usual......... well stated frater luciferi! :-D

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Original post: LAM71

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What about the original point of this thread: "Summoning Lucifer"?

Would anyone care to relate their own experiences?

The first time for me I was in a Dharana meditation and I went over the mechanics of my intended ritual in my mind as I visualized what I would do. I based it on the old order Golden Dawn Greater Ritual of the Pentagram with Enochian language and invocations and averse elemental pentagrams. Even doing this "practice" session was enough to get the four Lords to appear: Baal, Leviathan, Flereous and Lucifer.

I was infused with so much energy that my head and skin tingled for days afterwards and I had this incredible influx of energy. I then began working with them on a regular basis after that.

Basically what I am saying is that it does not take much to summon the demons as they are very close to this realm as Malkuth is regarded as the Qliphoth. They want to manifest and to be heard by humanity for a change instead of being relegated to being declared unclean by the Nazarene religions.

It is better to write your simple and sincere ritual than to try to follow, for example, as A.'.A.'. rite that was elaborately written by Aleister Crowley himself. Be creative, be respectful and experiment.

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Original post: LAM71

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One more thing: For those of you that are curious about this and asking questions, which is okay, try doing something and don't be an armchair occultist.

You don't have to perform a full scale evocation or anything like that. But take up a daily banishing rite or try experimenting with Yoga meditation.

As they say at the old swimming hole: "Come on in, the water is fine..."

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Original post: vrdkrsngsrkl

i think in that case i have 'rabies'....lol

i can't find the motivation or clear thought to do anything.

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Original post: doh

Actually, LAM7 1, this topic was created for the philosopical and theological debates. The summoning of Lucifer is still contained in the original topic.

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Original post: theblackpeacock

how the fuck are we supposed to read that? It's a fuckin novel!

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Original post: Hoor-paar-Kraat

I just read that whole thing and I can't even begin to tell you how pissed off at myself I am for having done it.

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Original post: Lord Ruthven

As one of the major protagonists has been banned for having multiple user-names, I think I ought to close this thread. What do you all think?

Frater Luciferi, can I copy and paste what you've said about Luciferianism to the FAQ on types of Satanism?