Original post: Venus666
Hey, satanists:
Satanisim is about the true rebellion, and this means that we all have to rebell against common ideas beliefs, ect to gain status as a satanist
to join a group or org that makes you believe thier own version as the truth is ludacris.
You might as well join an organized religion and do what they say, believe what they believe. By doing this you are seriously limiting yur perspecive on what could really be.
This goes for any satanist Org. There shouldnt be one set definition of satanisim. It is a personal choice of beliefs adopted by the satanist that makes one a satanist, not the laid out beliefs of somoeone else. This includes the ONA the COS and every other main branch of satanisim, theistic or not. Thier law is not the "ultimate law" or "voice" of satanisim. The true voiice of satanisim is the practicioner who questions beliefs and decides for them selves. TYhis is why the LHP in general never really seems to advance, because many are traped under the wing of some org's beliefs.. The free independent thinkers are aware of this and avoid meaningless discussions obf the "absolute superiority" of some Org's doctrine. Things of this nature are merely meaningless semantics, in the grand scheme of things.
This is why stanisim is the ulitimate religion, because you are suposed to carry the torch, the flame of the power within. Sadly, tho many seem to forget the glory of free will, and lazily choose to be told what to believe instead of getting the satisfaction of getting to choose to believe . Some forget this option.
Do somethig really daring, and study these groups, but create your own working model of the universe that is logickal. Many who practice magick will understand that type of reasoning and create thier own working model of the universe, and why this works.
Satan was famous for making his own history, not following someone elses...! Be a wolf and not a sheep..
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Amen to that, sista.
Amen to that, sista.
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Original post: Hadilath
Agreed...
With the corrolary that if you want the benefits of being involved with a group ( and there are some, in my opinion), then either (a) find one that does not force any specific path on it's members, or (b) start your own once you have your personal system sufficiently developed , if you are so inclined!
Agreed...
With the corrolary that if you want the benefits of being involved with a group ( and there are some, in my opinion), then either (a) find one that does not force any specific path on it's members, or (b) start your own once you have your personal system sufficiently developed , if you are so inclined!
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Original post: frater luciferi
well said, well said!
well said, well said!
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Original post: Forbidon
Greetings,
I dis-agree.
I think if everyone started making their own paradigms, then mankind as a whole will begin to move even further in the wrong direction.
Then again, I do not speak from a satanic perspective...
Greetings,
I dis-agree.
I think if everyone started making their own paradigms, then mankind as a whole will begin to move even further in the wrong direction.
Then again, I do not speak from a satanic perspective...
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Original post: Venus666
trying to make us all believe the same thing is a recipe for stagnation and eventually death 2000 years of xianty has prooven this...
trying to make us all believe the same thing is a recipe for stagnation and eventually death 2000 years of xianty has prooven this...
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Whilst I agree with the spirit of the post (individuality) I would tend to disagree with the thought that everyone should start their own "paradigm". The simple reasoning behind this is demonstrated admirably by the majority of the Neo-Pagan and Neo-Wiccan movement wherein eclecticism reigns supreme...if it's too hard to understand a system, make up your own! I have a strong dislike for fluff bunnies of any persuasion, and feel that a such a movement away from "traditionalism" (erk!) would engender a race of fluffy Satanists
I feel it is a great idea to move into your own headspace after assimilating the foundations of a tradition. By the same token, I feel it is appalling that individuals can think along the lines of "Gee, that O.N.A. stuff takes so long to work through - I'll just make up my own stuff and assume an impressive title".
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Whilst I agree with the spirit of the post (individuality) I would tend to disagree with the thought that everyone should start their own "paradigm". The simple reasoning behind this is demonstrated admirably by the majority of the Neo-Pagan and Neo-Wiccan movement wherein eclecticism reigns supreme...if it's too hard to understand a system, make up your own! I have a strong dislike for fluff bunnies of any persuasion, and feel that a such a movement away from "traditionalism" (erk!) would engender a race of fluffy Satanists
I feel it is a great idea to move into your own headspace after assimilating the foundations of a tradition. By the same token, I feel it is appalling that individuals can think along the lines of "Gee, that O.N.A. stuff takes so long to work through - I'll just make up my own stuff and assume an impressive title".
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Original post: Venus666
When I speak of paradigim creation, this is after careful study of the different avenues of satanisim,. I also was refering to those who assume any religious knowledge without questioning. Remember to question everything.
The point of studying these things is that it takes determination and a will to understand it. All these things should be studied seriously as they are the key to power...
Taking the neo-pagan movement as an eample, yes it did create a generation without a foundation. Many new generation satanists are not trained by anything but the internet. I have been solitary for 13 yrs, so I have seen the rise of satanisim since.. The internet offers information and generates interest,yet there seems to be nothing behind it in reality.Whilst I agree with the spirit of the post (individuality) I would tend to disagree with the thought that everyone should start their own "paradigm". The simple reasoning behind this is demonstrated admirably by the majority of the Neo-Pagan and Neo-Wiccan movement wherein eclecticism reigns supreme...if it's too hard to understand a system, make up your own! I have a strong dislike for fluff bunnies of any persuasion, and feel that a such a movement away from "traditionalism" (erk!) would engender a race of fluffy Satanists
When I speak of paradigim creation, this is after careful study of the different avenues of satanisim,. I also was refering to those who assume any religious knowledge without questioning. Remember to question everything.
I agree that some points of satanisim can be misunderstood, and misused. This goes with the stereotype of satanisim in general. Examples are the ones who call themselves "devil worshippers ...satan is evil ...my dark lord and master... ect I would classify someone like that as being in the fringe, assuming that they felt that satanisim is popular or fun. You gave a neat example:...if it's too hard to understand a system, make up your own! Fiat Lux777
Yes indeed, and thankfully most of them run out of fuel after a while.By the same token, I feel it is appalling that individuals can think along the lines of "Gee, that O.N.A. stuff takes so long to work through - I'll just make up my own stuff and assume an impressive title".
The point of studying these things is that it takes determination and a will to understand it. All these things should be studied seriously as they are the key to power...
Exactly, good point.feel it is a great idea to move into your own headspace after assimilating the foundations of a tradition..
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I think that the reality is that we create our own paradigm no matter what we do, so what we're really talking about here is being more aware of what we do when we do it. You could do your damndest to follow some stricture or another dead letter perfect but the fact of the matter is that it's still your interpretation of the rules you are following. The Satanic path starts from the realization that we have no choice but to make it all up in route in my opinion. Rebellion begins at home really, by rejecting the notion that anybody can ever really lead you to anywhere useful anyway. There are no Perfect Masters anywhere to be found - there's just people who have acquired this or that knowledge along the way. If they require servitude then they are liars and frauds. If they are willing to share their knowledge freely then there is no issue. If they are not, then they are not and again there is no issue - or should be none - since no one is required to lead and no one is required to follow in the end. I mention this since I have seen newbies get quite huffy that someone may not be willing to spill their guts just because they have their begging bowl extended...
There is a great deal more to Satanism than this alone but I believe that the path itself begins here, this realization that you make the rules no matter what, so you might as well own up to that and get as good at it as you possibly can...
I honestly think that this is the single most frightening aspect of this path in the end. The rest is just a side-show really. But feeling like you are really alone in things is a terrible thing to face. But we're not really alone...we're just the ones who pay the bills in the end. We are each of us the first and final Lord/Lady of our own esoteric estates, like it or not.
I happen to like it, personally...though in truth...it had me pretty well freaked out for a long time. Little by little I developed an attack strategy that suits me. I have no idea how it all pans out in the end but I am reasonably confident of its assertions...and anyway...as long as you can still make necessary corrections as you go...what's all the fuss, you know?
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I think that the reality is that we create our own paradigm no matter what we do, so what we're really talking about here is being more aware of what we do when we do it. You could do your damndest to follow some stricture or another dead letter perfect but the fact of the matter is that it's still your interpretation of the rules you are following. The Satanic path starts from the realization that we have no choice but to make it all up in route in my opinion. Rebellion begins at home really, by rejecting the notion that anybody can ever really lead you to anywhere useful anyway. There are no Perfect Masters anywhere to be found - there's just people who have acquired this or that knowledge along the way. If they require servitude then they are liars and frauds. If they are willing to share their knowledge freely then there is no issue. If they are not, then they are not and again there is no issue - or should be none - since no one is required to lead and no one is required to follow in the end. I mention this since I have seen newbies get quite huffy that someone may not be willing to spill their guts just because they have their begging bowl extended...
There is a great deal more to Satanism than this alone but I believe that the path itself begins here, this realization that you make the rules no matter what, so you might as well own up to that and get as good at it as you possibly can...
I honestly think that this is the single most frightening aspect of this path in the end. The rest is just a side-show really. But feeling like you are really alone in things is a terrible thing to face. But we're not really alone...we're just the ones who pay the bills in the end. We are each of us the first and final Lord/Lady of our own esoteric estates, like it or not.
I happen to like it, personally...though in truth...it had me pretty well freaked out for a long time. Little by little I developed an attack strategy that suits me. I have no idea how it all pans out in the end but I am reasonably confident of its assertions...and anyway...as long as you can still make necessary corrections as you go...what's all the fuss, you know?
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Original post: aa_nerut
Venus666,
You wrote: â??Satanisim is about the true rebellion, and this means that we all have to rebell against common ideas beliefs, ect to gain status as a satanist
to join a group or org that makes you believe thier own version as the truth is ludacris.â?Â
Venus666,
You wrote: â??Satanisim is about the true rebellion, and this means that we all have to rebell against common ideas beliefs, ect to gain status as a satanist
to join a group or org that makes you believe thier own version as the truth is ludacris.â?Â
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these are interesting points aa nerut. I appreciate an opposing point of view on this personally. Satanism, as a movement (if we can call it that) rather suffers I think from a general inability to coordinate with itself effectively and this is actually a kind of victimization of sorts. This plays rather neatly into the hands of those who would oppose it. So it needs to be considered carefully what value and purpose group coordinations may bring to bear against the great work itself - a work, which, like being born or dying, we ultimately do alone, yet almost always in the company of others.
As I have said, I think we finally create our own paradigm no matter what we do. This being the case, whether one may elect to join with a fellowship or not is mostly a matter of motivated self interest. Yet I have not experienced much success in this area as you seem to have done so I am not personally seeking any groups out at present. But it is a source of some depression to me that this must always seem to be a mandatory circumstances. There are things we can accomplish as clan that we might never pull off alone, so solitude has its price...
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these are interesting points aa nerut. I appreciate an opposing point of view on this personally. Satanism, as a movement (if we can call it that) rather suffers I think from a general inability to coordinate with itself effectively and this is actually a kind of victimization of sorts. This plays rather neatly into the hands of those who would oppose it. So it needs to be considered carefully what value and purpose group coordinations may bring to bear against the great work itself - a work, which, like being born or dying, we ultimately do alone, yet almost always in the company of others.
As I have said, I think we finally create our own paradigm no matter what we do. This being the case, whether one may elect to join with a fellowship or not is mostly a matter of motivated self interest. Yet I have not experienced much success in this area as you seem to have done so I am not personally seeking any groups out at present. But it is a source of some depression to me that this must always seem to be a mandatory circumstances. There are things we can accomplish as clan that we might never pull off alone, so solitude has its price...
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Like you said aa nerut, Wolves usually die on their own. Humans are social animals by nature; we need a pack, even if the other pack members don't call themselves Satanists. I too would like to have someone else in my life that understands and follows the LHP, but I donâ??t need it. I have a pack of my own, of close friends and loved ones though. They don't always agree with my perspective, but I love them and they love me.
Just now I had an argument with my girlfriend (not too serious) because I didnâ??t know the details of what Band-Aid was. All I knew was that it was a charity, nothing more.
Personally I don't give a damn if little billy foofoo is starving in Africa, its just nature, there will always be inequality and there will always be weak individuals and weak nations. So I choose not to involve myself with it because I canâ??t change a force of nature. I avoid all the pathetic drones that wish to force me, by way of guilt, into giving my money away to a country that is never going to advance anywhere anyway. I despise Western culture just as much, we are all slaves in the West, trapped in an endless rat race, with consumerism as our only goal.
My opinion provoked a huge negative reaction, now I am 'dead on the inside', I have 'no love' and I am a truly evil person.... People can not hack it when someone tells them a natural way of behaviour is right. Its like their programming detects something antithesis to its nature and takes over the individuals normal natural brain function, making them react in a sometimes violent and aggressive way. I get this a lot from people I try to de-programme, they just can't handle ideas contrary to what God (T.V) has told them.
Another opinion I strongly hold is that I WILL use absolute force to defend my house and family, if a criminal stupid enough brakes into my house I will kill them with no regrets. I will even put up a sign above my front door saying; â??Trespassers in this house will be killedâ?Â
Like you said aa nerut, Wolves usually die on their own. Humans are social animals by nature; we need a pack, even if the other pack members don't call themselves Satanists. I too would like to have someone else in my life that understands and follows the LHP, but I donâ??t need it. I have a pack of my own, of close friends and loved ones though. They don't always agree with my perspective, but I love them and they love me.
Just now I had an argument with my girlfriend (not too serious) because I didnâ??t know the details of what Band-Aid was. All I knew was that it was a charity, nothing more.
Personally I don't give a damn if little billy foofoo is starving in Africa, its just nature, there will always be inequality and there will always be weak individuals and weak nations. So I choose not to involve myself with it because I canâ??t change a force of nature. I avoid all the pathetic drones that wish to force me, by way of guilt, into giving my money away to a country that is never going to advance anywhere anyway. I despise Western culture just as much, we are all slaves in the West, trapped in an endless rat race, with consumerism as our only goal.
My opinion provoked a huge negative reaction, now I am 'dead on the inside', I have 'no love' and I am a truly evil person.... People can not hack it when someone tells them a natural way of behaviour is right. Its like their programming detects something antithesis to its nature and takes over the individuals normal natural brain function, making them react in a sometimes violent and aggressive way. I get this a lot from people I try to de-programme, they just can't handle ideas contrary to what God (T.V) has told them.
Another opinion I strongly hold is that I WILL use absolute force to defend my house and family, if a criminal stupid enough brakes into my house I will kill them with no regrets. I will even put up a sign above my front door saying; â??Trespassers in this house will be killedâ?Â
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Cool, but I just believe in those things, they arnt universal for all. I think the best thing to do when choosing a org to affiliate oneself with it to look at their opinions and if they match YOUR OWN, not if you can change your ideas to match theirs.
Cool, but I just believe in those things, they arnt universal for all. I think the best thing to do when choosing a org to affiliate oneself with it to look at their opinions and if they match YOUR OWN, not if you can change your ideas to match theirs.
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If self preservation is goal #1 for Satanist X, then I see plenty of benefit in affiliating with an organization that can provide tools and strategies in which to pursue this goal. I believe that no matter how smart one thinks they are, there is always someone out there who may have more experience and can teach those who are willing to learn.
Maybe Venus and Alarum are more particularly describing individuals who just fancy being joiners and do not engage in contribution. Affiliation with organizations is not for everyone, but the act doesn't necessarily mean that one doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand alone either. There are some respectable LHP organizations out there whose members are ultimately in it for furthering the Self, and seek to create environments in the world where such interests are more freely pursuable. When you see someone whose ideaology closely resembles your own, and that individual has been very successful in obtaining his/her objectives, then asking them "hey, mind sharing some of your secrets with a fellow traveler?" does not mean you are bowing to or conforming to said individuals way....it just means that you are smart enough to emulate successful people in order to create your own success. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.
If self preservation is goal #1 for Satanist X, then I see plenty of benefit in affiliating with an organization that can provide tools and strategies in which to pursue this goal. I believe that no matter how smart one thinks they are, there is always someone out there who may have more experience and can teach those who are willing to learn.
Maybe Venus and Alarum are more particularly describing individuals who just fancy being joiners and do not engage in contribution. Affiliation with organizations is not for everyone, but the act doesn't necessarily mean that one doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand alone either. There are some respectable LHP organizations out there whose members are ultimately in it for furthering the Self, and seek to create environments in the world where such interests are more freely pursuable. When you see someone whose ideaology closely resembles your own, and that individual has been very successful in obtaining his/her objectives, then asking them "hey, mind sharing some of your secrets with a fellow traveler?" does not mean you are bowing to or conforming to said individuals way....it just means that you are smart enough to emulate successful people in order to create your own success. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.
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If self preservation is goal #1 for Satanist X, then I see plenty of benefit in affiliating with an organization that can provide tools and strategies in which to pursue this goal. I believe that no matter how smart one thinks they are, there is always someone out there who may have more experience and can teach those who are willing to learn.
I completely agreeWhen you see someone whose ideaology closely resembles your own, and that individual has been very successful in obtaining his/her objectives, then asking them "hey, mind sharing some of your secrets with a fellow traveler?" does not mean you are bowing to or conforming to said individuals way....it just means that you are smart enough to emulate successful people in order to create your own success. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.
I wasnt particularly describing any one 'type', just that its all down to the individual, if one wishes to passivley view the information of others or contribute to the pool of knowledge is up to the individual, I don't believe either are negative. Which brings us full circle back to the idea of Satanism being a completly subjective, individualistic belief system.Maybe Venus and Alarum are more particularly describing individuals who just fancy being joiners and do not engage in contribution.
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Hello; thank you all for your responses. I am trying to get these things out i the open.
Firstly, to AA Nerut; you have made me rethink some of the things that I have believed, and I thank you for that. Many of the things you have stated are true.
[QUOTE] There is problem with rebellion against common ideas. A lot of â??common ideasâ?Â
Hello; thank you all for your responses. I am trying to get these things out i the open.
Firstly, to AA Nerut; you have made me rethink some of the things that I have believed, and I thank you for that. Many of the things you have stated are true.
[QUOTE] There is problem with rebellion against common ideas. A lot of â??common ideasâ?Â
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Take THAT billy! and THAT!!! Hahaa....no, thats just sick. :twisted: :lol: :twisted:
Take THAT billy! and THAT!!! Hahaa....no, thats just sick. :twisted: :lol: :twisted:
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Venus,
You wrote: â??I am trying to get these things out i the open.
Firstly, to AA Nerut; you have made me rethink some of the things that I have believed, and I thank you for that. Many of the things you have stated are true.â?Â
Venus,
You wrote: â??I am trying to get these things out i the open.
Firstly, to AA Nerut; you have made me rethink some of the things that I have believed, and I thank you for that. Many of the things you have stated are true.â?Â
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To some extent it would seem that the key to it is not to set too high a standards and/or expectations on a group level to begin with. In this way you can get whatever it is that you might need without it costing more than it's actually worth...
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The real issue here is usually just how much it's going to cost you to do the groupy thing. Sometimes it's affordable, sometimes it isn't. Isolation is largely an illusion unless you actually happen to be locked inside a metal box 5 miles under ground or something. If one is fortunate to find a group that doesn't actually suck out of you more than they put in then that's great but the odds aren't all that great more often than not. While I applaud the NOTION of clan, the reality is not so easy. One has to find some way to strike the balance one needs or the whole thing quickly degenerates into just another distraction from reality. In my own case at least, I have ultimately discovered that no one really especially understands my particular style of magick et al which has nothing to do with it being incomprehensible because it isn't...it is in fact one of the more lucid methodologies I have yet to encounter and I have encountered quite a few. But dancing around some hokey fire with a bunch of wagickal circle jerks doesn't much do it for me and there are dozens of scenarios quite like this that are similarly a complete waste of time and energy in the end. So I'm actually on BOTH sides of this particuar issue. There is no easy answer to this one in my own experience at least. There are times when the only way to really get anything useful from a group is to be in charge of the group in general and this opens up yet another can of worms that also has its complications....I guess depending on the situation. Yes it is healthy and necessary to be an individual, but is individualism to the point of complete isolation the only answer? I donâ??t think so.
To some extent it would seem that the key to it is not to set too high a standards and/or expectations on a group level to begin with. In this way you can get whatever it is that you might need without it costing more than it's actually worth...
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as a independant agent myself i view myself as a lone wolf. More or less though their is an alliance of wolves odviously through this wonderful medium of the internet, and as much my own path may be more difficult in application. However the abilitie to share notes with others of the LHP might in a sense hopefully hasten the process of developing the best methodology of the application of our will(which i presume is the fullest aspect of our desire). The mode of which satanism was in the sixties has been far surpassed, and as much the valuable tenets of the philosophy may stand as a good guide for the guiding of a satanic practicioner of their will, however the specifics of the application seem to be blurry in a great deal of aspects. And by rights as a luciferian = having mutated the philosophy to a sort of different veicle of which to gather like minds. but is'nt that what it all boils down to in the long run? I would hardly think that the meat of the philosophy would hardly be palatable to the mediocre masses, and I am in no way
trying to claim neitche like ubermenschen statis myself- the goal being wholely one of people of our persuasion.
but in essence if the existing paradigm has holes that need to be fillled where are we to seek these answers? I would hardly place any stock in the succesess of more burgeois pursuits- but the materialistic mores that are often placed in high regards within satanic circles require a more disciplined regimen- and qute frankly I am at a loss to cite any truely pragmatick methodologys of which to find the manifest of this particular aspect of desire/want/will. this seems to be of no great consequence in the dissemenation of the philosophy mind you, but as the uncertaintys of life come to play= how does one find a resolve of will in the void of the absence of blind faith- a great strength as of yet of the mediocre. I tend to think even as much as within the unification of similar trains of thoughts perhaps the experiment we are all involved in to some degree or another would neccessitate the inate abilitie to mutate the precepts of the tenets as we see fit- if only to gravitate from less seedy grounds as the LHP is generally viewed.
And as much their is an irony that is prevelent when we stake that the truth of the matter is contrary to the foundations that are laid within more orthodox/meodiocre structures. but even within the groundwork of these theological or philisophical paradigms that require a subserviance the idea of community and fellowship is definately something that is emphasised. The bodie of whatever diety in its whole grants power over the power of the individual. how this is remedied within the individualistic nature of the LHP is i suppose a gravitation towards more mutual pursuits within the furthering of the doctrine- that is in essence the nature of oppurtunism in its very heart.
should the light of one of our kind shine bright in any manner of intellectual discourse I think it should be of the more pressing issues that i feel have been neglected in leu of the posturing of which/whom should find the mantel of the obtainment as such of their godhood nature. but if by the path alone? who here would not love to profit off the knoledge of those who have taken certain steps towards the fullfillment of their will? I have in some sense gleened the wisdom neccesery in some aspects- but have found to some degree the discourse to only touch at the surface level at best. The complicitys of esoterica being at best a sort of game of creating the best "puzzle" to peddle to the next neophyte which might come their way. I do see the value of such exercises in the development of mental faculties= but this and especially in the ONA gets lost in the virtual labrynth of cirriculum that hardly points in any direction then a head full of occultic trivia to be applied at only the further promotion of said labrynth.
has anyone here truely taken these certain texts and found within them the neccessary seeds of truth to possibly develop a methodology that might be expounded in the application in relation to the "real world" vs. the virtual precept that is created within occultic circles as a sort of artifice of interaction? The meat on the bone seems to be there, but often as the paradigms- ideals. and launguage are presented i do feel that the baby tends to get thrown-out with the bathwater. I am in no way trying to get at a chaotic dispersal of the grounds of which the LHP has laid claim too within occult circles. By by default we are a more pragmatic aspect of magickal knoledge. And as much the ONA and other organizations are being bogged down by these purely scholarly tomes of which merit is merely the ego of some adept who disperses it.
i may be wrong but the paradigm of which i hope to create is one of in a sense both retaining the more complex principles of the left hand path- both increasing the discouse of ideas and syncronisly cutting some of the useless fat as far as propigated ciriculum- which should otherwise be propogated as secondary theorum at best. I qoute buddha in saying that metaphsics are a great distraction at times from the goal at hand, and I am guilty as any at being at fault in this aspect. Perhaps the energies should be more focused then on a development or refinement of what wealth of knoledge we have at hand.
only my two cents mind you.
aveti luciferi.
as a independant agent myself i view myself as a lone wolf. More or less though their is an alliance of wolves odviously through this wonderful medium of the internet, and as much my own path may be more difficult in application. However the abilitie to share notes with others of the LHP might in a sense hopefully hasten the process of developing the best methodology of the application of our will(which i presume is the fullest aspect of our desire). The mode of which satanism was in the sixties has been far surpassed, and as much the valuable tenets of the philosophy may stand as a good guide for the guiding of a satanic practicioner of their will, however the specifics of the application seem to be blurry in a great deal of aspects. And by rights as a luciferian = having mutated the philosophy to a sort of different veicle of which to gather like minds. but is'nt that what it all boils down to in the long run? I would hardly think that the meat of the philosophy would hardly be palatable to the mediocre masses, and I am in no way
trying to claim neitche like ubermenschen statis myself- the goal being wholely one of people of our persuasion.
but in essence if the existing paradigm has holes that need to be fillled where are we to seek these answers? I would hardly place any stock in the succesess of more burgeois pursuits- but the materialistic mores that are often placed in high regards within satanic circles require a more disciplined regimen- and qute frankly I am at a loss to cite any truely pragmatick methodologys of which to find the manifest of this particular aspect of desire/want/will. this seems to be of no great consequence in the dissemenation of the philosophy mind you, but as the uncertaintys of life come to play= how does one find a resolve of will in the void of the absence of blind faith- a great strength as of yet of the mediocre. I tend to think even as much as within the unification of similar trains of thoughts perhaps the experiment we are all involved in to some degree or another would neccessitate the inate abilitie to mutate the precepts of the tenets as we see fit- if only to gravitate from less seedy grounds as the LHP is generally viewed.
And as much their is an irony that is prevelent when we stake that the truth of the matter is contrary to the foundations that are laid within more orthodox/meodiocre structures. but even within the groundwork of these theological or philisophical paradigms that require a subserviance the idea of community and fellowship is definately something that is emphasised. The bodie of whatever diety in its whole grants power over the power of the individual. how this is remedied within the individualistic nature of the LHP is i suppose a gravitation towards more mutual pursuits within the furthering of the doctrine- that is in essence the nature of oppurtunism in its very heart.
should the light of one of our kind shine bright in any manner of intellectual discourse I think it should be of the more pressing issues that i feel have been neglected in leu of the posturing of which/whom should find the mantel of the obtainment as such of their godhood nature. but if by the path alone? who here would not love to profit off the knoledge of those who have taken certain steps towards the fullfillment of their will? I have in some sense gleened the wisdom neccesery in some aspects- but have found to some degree the discourse to only touch at the surface level at best. The complicitys of esoterica being at best a sort of game of creating the best "puzzle" to peddle to the next neophyte which might come their way. I do see the value of such exercises in the development of mental faculties= but this and especially in the ONA gets lost in the virtual labrynth of cirriculum that hardly points in any direction then a head full of occultic trivia to be applied at only the further promotion of said labrynth.
has anyone here truely taken these certain texts and found within them the neccessary seeds of truth to possibly develop a methodology that might be expounded in the application in relation to the "real world" vs. the virtual precept that is created within occultic circles as a sort of artifice of interaction? The meat on the bone seems to be there, but often as the paradigms- ideals. and launguage are presented i do feel that the baby tends to get thrown-out with the bathwater. I am in no way trying to get at a chaotic dispersal of the grounds of which the LHP has laid claim too within occult circles. By by default we are a more pragmatic aspect of magickal knoledge. And as much the ONA and other organizations are being bogged down by these purely scholarly tomes of which merit is merely the ego of some adept who disperses it.
i may be wrong but the paradigm of which i hope to create is one of in a sense both retaining the more complex principles of the left hand path- both increasing the discouse of ideas and syncronisly cutting some of the useless fat as far as propigated ciriculum- which should otherwise be propogated as secondary theorum at best. I qoute buddha in saying that metaphsics are a great distraction at times from the goal at hand, and I am guilty as any at being at fault in this aspect. Perhaps the energies should be more focused then on a development or refinement of what wealth of knoledge we have at hand.
only my two cents mind you.
aveti luciferi.