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Original post: Lord Drago

Does anyone have any suggestions on what demons to approach in a regular meditation ritual, somewhat along the lines of animal spirits? Specifically, they would be demons that I go to on a daily basis for guidance, to be my mentors and teachers. There would need to be five upper and five lower, each one representing the five points of a pentagram and inverted pentagram.

Currently I speak with Lucifer, Set, Belial, Leviathan, as well as a nod to all the unnamed demons of hell who I don't know. In the course of my meditations, only Set and Lucifer have responded to my inquiries. Set made his presence know in a number of indirect and indirect ways. I get the sense that Lucifer is checking me out (he did appear to me in a trance(?) answering my request directly), Belial seems indifferent to the whole affair, and absolutely nothing from Leviathan, just dead air. So two days ago I switched Leviathan with Azazel, so I will give him some leeway to respond as he sees fit. Previously, I tried both Shiva and Shakti and wasn't completely satisfied with my approach.

Being fairly new to this, I know enough to respect all such entities, but not entirely sure what they are seeking from me. I read as much as possible on any and all demons, but am wary of anything that is presented from the Judeo-Christian perspective since it is nothing but hostile to any god but they one they claim as there own.

In addition, I have no bias to any demons/gods/goddesses from the world's pantheon, since I consider myself a "Citizen of the Cosmos". I am eager to receive any response, however reasonable or unreasonable. Also, feel free to offer any additional insights to the demons I have named, or whomever you wish to promote or scare me away from!

All comments, ideas, thoughts and suggestions are sincerely appreciated.

Fellow Seeker,

Lord Drago

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Original post: Lord Drago

Is. Anyone. Out. There? I feel like Jodi Foster in Contact, all alone.


All by myself.......all by myself....

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Original post: Venus666

leave yourself open to a ne w possibility also, kepp studying any sources on demonology if you can. Demons are a personal choice. As you focus on what you want, you will attract that type of energy into your being. It is only natural then that you opportunity will come. When you hear a name go through your head once or twice, try working with that demon remember they are not a crutch, or else they can consume you

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Original post: Kerethial

I am particularly attracted to Belial,Beelzebub and Lilith.But be careful with high ranking demons they dont think like humans many people forget that.

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

Lord Drago possibly why you recieved reactions from only Lucifer and Set is because they are very high ranking demons in comparison to Belial. Set in fact is a true deity.

Leviathan is pretty much an intelligence who does not really work in a direct manner. She is a patron of technology but not in the same way as, say the dark gods such as Iktomi. She does not take an open role with her students. But perhaps you may see her influence in other ways as she works more secretly.

Just my opinion.

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Original post: Lord Drago

Thanks all for responding to my inquiry. It has been most helpful.



Venus666: I agree with leaving myself open to new possibilities. That is how I have come to the current "relationship" with Lucifer and Set. What an amazing experience it was to meet them in their own individual ways! I look forward to pursuing further. As far as resources on demonology (and demonolatry), I have found little on the internet that was satisfactory, at least none that go beyond the Abrahamic monotheistic viewpoints. Perhaps you can recommend some sites or even books. Absolutely love books. As far as names going through my head, that is precisely how I came to the current selection after doing some initial research. I also look, listen and meditate on developing a pantheon to work with over time.

Kerethial: May I ask why you are attracted to Belial, Beelzebub and Lilith? I am especially curious in Lilith because I believe she visited me several weeks ago as a succubus. Very interesting experience - I posted on the Sex with Demons thread if you would like a quick reading of my encounter. I second your caution on dealing with high ranking demons.

LadyHydralisk: Lucifer and Set - freakin' unbelievable! I think I will write further about my initial encounter with them later. Lucifer actually made me laugh and Set made me smile at how he revealed himself. My understanding of Belial was that he was ranked just below Lucifer - that is one of the reasons I chose him. Rank and his proximity to the power on the throne, so to speak. When I return home next week, I will review my notes and see if I should continue on with him or move to another demon. Leviathan was chosen because of her connection to the Abyss. For me, the Abyss is the source, the fountain of creation, from whence all has come and will one day return. At least that is my "current" thinking. I was not aware that Leviathan was the patron of technology How did that come about, I wonder? On your suggestion, I will bring her back into the fold. Iktomi I will have to do some research on - I have seen the name and probably read a brief description, but don't remember any specifics.

Thanks again for your input and suggestions. Looking forward to continuing on with this area of study. So much to learn and so little time in this mortal body!

Lord Drago

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Original post: Kerethial

I dont know exactly I am just drawn towards them and I like their natures-Beelzebub is destruction and Belial power,authority and money.Why I am drawn to Lilith is because I experiment with demonic sexual magic.

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Original post: Venus666

lilith also represents the femine aspect of power and authority also she was the first witch she is also the daughter of Allah sex is just one aspect of it (look it up)

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Original post: Kerethial

My sexual magic is something that does not lean on any such principles.

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Original post: Veltis

[QUOTE=Lord Drago]Currently I speak with Lucifer, Set, Belial, Leviathan, as well as a nod to all the unnamed demons of hell who I don't know. In the course of my meditations, only Set and Lucifer have responded to my inquiries. Set made his presence know in a number of indirect and indirect ways. I get the sense that Lucifer is checking me out (he did appear to me in a trance(?) answering my request directly), Belial seems indifferent to the whole affair, and absolutely nothing from Leviathan, just dead air. So two days ago I switched Leviathan with Azazel, so I will give him some leeway to respond as he sees fit. Previously, I tried both Shiva and Shakti and wasn't completely satisfied with my approach.[/QUOTE]
oh yes, you are SO important that all of the most high-ranking demons will aknowledge your existence.
Who the hell do you think you are ?! just a misarble human, ever stopped to think that thes emight be low-ranking demons fooling you ?

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Original post: Jas

[QUOTE=Veltis]oh yes, you are SO important that all of the most high-ranking demons will aknowledge your existence.
Who the hell do you think you are ?! just a misarble human, ever stopped to think that thes emight be low-ranking demons fooling you ?[/QUOTE]
Er... You are projecting juuusst a little here. :roll:



Jas.

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Original post: m1thr0s

Ok - you said you were open to any kind of response so I'm gonna throw you a quick little curve ball you might want to file for future reference. The LHP is NOT about demons or demonology exclusively though it may commonly draw to these personnas simply because it can. But you also want to consider other classes of "hidden" archetypes when you start putting your particular plan of action together such as the so-called wrathful deities or dark and powerful forms from around the globe. You say you need 5 above and below for instance. Well, there are 5 races of mankind itself so if you want to be able to extend your psychic reach globally why not select from a larger pool -say - 2 particulary ominous characters from each of these 5 divisions, ie two black, two red, two brown, yellow, white etc... How you put them all together is up to you. My point is that you can engage a broader spectrum of knowledge and conversation by structuring things more globally to begin with. So that's on the one side...

On the other is the fact that you don't necessarily NEED any such characters at all and this may be something you still need to come to terms with. The fact of the matter is that what you may call Lucifer or Satan or whatever is only SPECIFICALLY that to you. I or someone else might not recognize them as anything of the sort or even recognize them at all. That's because they are really only living glyphs or symbols of your own higher genius beaming back at you (even dream characters can speak in their own voice so don't be overly impressed with this). Once you begin to assimilate this principle you begin to see that it is then possible to utilize other kinds of LIVING symbols such as can be found in the archives of Sacred Geometry, Magick, Alchemy, and the Dark Arts universally. This is the underscoring principle behind Sigil Magick for instance...there is no such thing as a "stupid symbol" and many symbols are possessed of an unfathomable force and intelligence...

So that's on the other side. LHP Magick tends to be fairly goal-oriented stuff by in large and I really don't care what all the prima dona white lighters think of that. It's the pragmatic that turns the wheel and black arts practitioners inherently understand this. So scrutinize your underlying goals just as you would if you were putting a website together etc...we all know what a gawdawful mess unfocused websites can be. No need to create a personal universe based on such pisspoor mental management....

That's all from me on this for now...

Good luck with your project...sounds like great fun to me...

m1thr0s

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Original post: Jenfucius

If you are new to the occult I wouldnt recomend any form of spiritual contact. Learn your banishing rituals and basic psychic stuff first.

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Original post: Lord Drago

[QUOTE=Veltis]oh yes, you are SO important that all of the most high-ranking demons will aknowledge your existence.
Who the hell do you think you are ?! just a misarble human, ever stopped to think that thes emight be low-ranking demons fooling you ?[/QUOTE] Gotta love that sarcastic wit of yours, Veltis. Yes, I do consider myself important and not just some miserable human, as you evidently make yourself out to be. I AM Lord Drago - The Seeker - The Blasphemous One - The Perverted One - Queer Phreak - Entity of Dark Light. Just read my signature, it's all right there in front of you, if you would only look! :p

Firstly, I never said that all of the most high-ranking demons acknowledged my existence, only Lucifer and Set. And yes, I have and still do consider that they may be nothing but lower level demons in disguise trying to fool me. I have NOT closed my mind to this possibility. Thank you for bringing this up this point so I might clarify myself.

Secondly, in my original post, I asked for assistance in finding demons of both higher and lower level rank to work with since I certainly do not expect a general to respond and assist me in the same way that a lieutenant would. Veltis, if you have any concrete, substantial comments on this topic, I would be more than happy to read them and see if they would be useful. Otherwise sarcasm will be dealt with in a most severe manner, and I shall sic the Hounds of Hell upon you! :p

[QUOTE=M1thr0s]Ok - you said you were open to any kind of response so I'm gonna throw you a quick little curve ball you might want to file for future reference. The LHP is NOT about demons or demonology exclusively though it may commonly draw to these personnas simply because it can. But you also want to consider other classes of "hidden" archetypes when you start putting your particular plan of action together such as the so-called wrathful deities or dark and powerful forms from around the globe. You say you need 5 above and below for instance. Well, there are 5 races of mankind itself so if you want to be able to extend your psychic reach globally why not select from a larger pool -say - 2 particulary ominous characters from each of these 5 divisions, ie two black, two red, two brown, yellow, white etc... How you put them all together is up to you. My point is that you can engage a broader spectrum of knowledge and conversation by structuring things more globally to begin with. So that's on the one side...[/QUOTE]

Ahh...M1thr0s, I was never any good at baseball, but I think I get what you are trying to tell me. Simply to expand my horizons beyond the stereotypical boundaries of using demons like Lucifer or Set and include other "hidden" archetypes of deities from around the world and incorporate them into my "plan of action." That is along the lines of what I have been thinking, though I may not have been clear enough in my original post, due to the fact that this is fairly new too me and I am still trying to figure out what, exactly, I wish to accomplish over both the short- and long-term. Well, long term I know.

I am interested in learning more about the "hidden" archetypes you refer to. Could that be, say the archetypes in Jung's work, for example? Or something completely different? With the races of mankind, do you suggest taking two deities from each "race" and incorporating them into my pantheon? A global pantheon. A cosmic pantheon.[QUOTE=M1thr0s]On the other is the fact that you don't necessarily NEED any such characters at all and this may be something you still need to come to terms with. The fact of the matter is that what you may call Lucifer or Satan or whatever is only SPECIFICALLY that to you. I or someone else might not recognize them as anything of the sort or even recognize them at all. That's because they are really only living glyphs or symbols of your own higher genius beaming back at you (even dream characters can speak in their own voice so don't be overly impressed with this). Once you begin to assimilate this principle you begin to see that it is then possible to utilize other kinds of LIVING symbols such as can be found in the archives of Sacred Geometry, Magick, Alchemy, and the Dark Arts universally. This is the underscoring principle behind Sigil Magick for instance...there is no such thing as a "stupid symbol" and many symbols are possessed of an unfathomable force and intelligence...[/QUOTE]

Ah, even more food for thought along the lines of what I have seen developing in my own learning, though you are much more succinct and elegant than I am. It is exactly the process of absorption and assimilation that I am going through right now, after receiving so much sensory input I thought my head was going to explode! And some of that incorporates the use of symbols and glyphs that have come to me through research, meditation and trance-states, dreams and observations, even from a new found interest in astronomy and mythology. So it is my hope that no one gets the impression that I am trying to limit myself to a small, select group of demons, glyphs or sigils in my work. On the contrary, I see the occult, and particularly the LHP as breaking down all barriers, old ways (and new ways of thinking) and habits, paradigms, etc.... so I can overcome and become.[QUOTE=M1thr0s]So that's on the other side. LHP Magick tends to be fairly goal-oriented stuff by in large and I really don't care what all the prima dona white lighters think of that. It's the pragmatic that turns the wheel and black arts practitioners inherently understand this. So scrutinize your underlying goals just as you would if you were putting a website together etc...we all know what a gawdawful mess unfocused websites can be. No need to create a personal universe based on such pisspoor mental management....[/QUOTE] Ahhh,,,, more Pearls of Wisdom! Must save this post, print it and paste it somewhere on my desk. Must .... find ..... space ......... Too ..... many ..... books .....

Thanks for the input M1thr0s, appreciate it. Lok forward to seeing you around the board.

Lord Drago - EgoManiac :::: PsychoPath

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Original post: Venus666

ever stopped to think that thes emight be low-ranking demons fooling you ?--Veltis

Veltis,this is a vetry good observation.. Ego aside, who is to say that the demon youre calling or believing that you are communicating with is the demon that you want?
Who is to say that you are not just fooling yourself into believing that you are communicating with these type spirits..
There are many ways of looking at demonolatry. Fist of all, most if not all "demons" are really the gods of old, who have been named as demons by the new, overtaking religion. They survive under a disguise of evil, and thier real reflection is distorted. The most classic example is Lucifer, who was the Roman god of light, and became the fallen angel in xian terminology. The old god of light was replaced with the new, and Lucifer became synonomous with what has fallen away in common belief. They still live. and so does thier knowledge.

Demons are only representations of an archetype. An archetype is a symbolic way of seeing an emotion or idea or feeling. They are a social reflection of a culture's ideals and beliefs, and hopes. I believe that thier knowledge is available to those who actively seek it.
I also believe that these demon-gods will come to those who call them into thier lives. The effects are subtle and expand into the lives of the people around you, almost like an indirect influence. They are not something to be fooled with on a whim. Some god-forms like this are not likely to do favors or miracles to those who call on them out of the blue. As a godform, they exist because people believe that they exist and they feed of this energy. Without this belief they would perish.
I personally do not believe that satan, lucifer or any other god-type demon will come to your summoning circle and appear, before your eyes. This idea is foolish and incorrect. Keep thinking that they will appear in your circle and you will walk the road of self-delusion.

What will most likely happen is that they will appear in dreams, or will give you signs and symbols. You must ask for a sign, because without this, you will never really know what you are dealing with, eg.. your sub concious desire to connect or the actual connection.

Demons are gods, not evil creatures of temptation.

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Original post: m1thr0s

It does my heart good to assist a fellow egomaniacal psycho-path...hehe...

1. "Hidden" Archetypes in my view amount to universal thought constructs that can be "sensed" but not clearly defined. I have a secret magickal name I employ in certain very private operations for instance which - to me - represents what I consider to be the Supreme Intelligence behind Alchemy itself on a universal scale...something akin to Ningishzidda (Sumerian) but definitely masculine and a very scary guy...I have never SEEN this character and don't ever expect to but I have felt his presence to the point that it has rattled me and I am not easily rattled. So that's sort of what I mean... In a more general sort of way this also applies to ALL dark lords and ladies (not omitting Kali for instance) across time and space. I can envision Set for instance...I may even see and speak to him on rare occasions but I am always mindful that I can only just barely scratch the surface of this most formidable intelligence...

2. I wouldn't presume to advise you on how to arrange your pentagrammal stations but I might suggest you at least consider yin and yang dynamics in relation and perhaps a little brushing up on the eastern cycles of creation and destruction would also be useful here. To me at least - what you are attempting to set up is a pretty big deal...kind of like establishing a foundation to universe itself etc... Kernunnos has his Kerridwen...Pan Ku his Nu Kua etc...Balanced Opposites seems to best apply to what you are proposing here...

I applaud your "universal citizenship" stance completely. I can't personally imagine any other approach to things magickal that makes any damn sense to me...

Not to forget: "Close Cover Before Striking" hehe...

Perseverance Furthers,

m1thr0s

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Original post: tanis_elven

Search the entire forum, you will find all the info you need

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Original post: Lord Drago

[QUOTE=m1thr0s]Not to forget: "Close Cover Before Striking" hehe...[/QUOTE] Have you noticed my avatar? Too late!

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Original post: Lord Drago

M1thr0s, you have given me much to think about in your last post. I would like to respond in detail after I've let your suggestions "marinate" a bit.
Lord Drago - Your Fellow Egomaniacal PsychoPath