Original post: theblackpeacock
it's a religion, not a party.
And besides, religions are meant to take parts you like and get rid of parts you dont.
i dont think satanism has anything to do with economic values.
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Original post: frater luciferi
who cares, we know who we are right? i sure as fuck know that a porsche does'nt make me better, but sure as fuck i'd love to drive one really fast. I prefer the whole rasputin route= a dirty grimy bastard who likes to fuck with sheep. But dammit would'nt it be kool to have satanists in suits comin' out all over the place? lol. Socialism? capitialism? always generally ends up being who's got the money and how the hell to get it from 'em really. i always thought that satanism was more about autonomy instead of facism anyway? and i mean what politics are'nt facist to a small degree anyhow? Of course i am a totally solitary practicioner and a bit more on the fringe then most.
who cares, we know who we are right? i sure as fuck know that a porsche does'nt make me better, but sure as fuck i'd love to drive one really fast. I prefer the whole rasputin route= a dirty grimy bastard who likes to fuck with sheep. But dammit would'nt it be kool to have satanists in suits comin' out all over the place? lol. Socialism? capitialism? always generally ends up being who's got the money and how the hell to get it from 'em really. i always thought that satanism was more about autonomy instead of facism anyway? and i mean what politics are'nt facist to a small degree anyhow? Of course i am a totally solitary practicioner and a bit more on the fringe then most.
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Original post: Väkisinkastettu
If someone says they are not interested of economic values they are either living in a very rich commune where you don't need money, or lying. The more you try to convince otherwise the more ridiculous it gets.
Money is not everything, of course, but it's a fact you need money to be able to do the things you want. Crowley, for example, used pretty much his whole adult life trying to get more money in order to publish more of his books and run his abbey, one could only guess how much more he, or any known occultist, would have been able to do if they only had the money needed.
For satanist the economic values are just as important as to everyone else. The more you start to hear the word 'autonomy' in this kind of discussions the more you should wonder how you can really achieve true autonomy without the money.
And of course, it is nice to show that you are serious by building a real satanic temple instead of just using the corner of your parents' bedroom as your altar. It's pretty much impossible to do so without money.
If someone says they are not interested of economic values they are either living in a very rich commune where you don't need money, or lying. The more you try to convince otherwise the more ridiculous it gets.
Money is not everything, of course, but it's a fact you need money to be able to do the things you want. Crowley, for example, used pretty much his whole adult life trying to get more money in order to publish more of his books and run his abbey, one could only guess how much more he, or any known occultist, would have been able to do if they only had the money needed.
For satanist the economic values are just as important as to everyone else. The more you start to hear the word 'autonomy' in this kind of discussions the more you should wonder how you can really achieve true autonomy without the money.
And of course, it is nice to show that you are serious by building a real satanic temple instead of just using the corner of your parents' bedroom as your altar. It's pretty much impossible to do so without money.
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Original post: kalki
[QUOTE=Väkisinkastettu]. Crowley, for example, used pretty much his whole adult life trying to get more money in order to publish more of his books and run his abbey, one could only guess how much more he, or any known occultist, would have been able to do if they only had the money needed.
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...I thought he wanted the money to stuff his face full of opiates and cocaine. Crowley would've been able to produce more books had he not a penance for having them bound lavishly in opulence, which say more about his beliefs than the (opiate induced) texts I fear!
I am being harsh on the fat poof, as undoubtably he released the nmost potent tomes on the science ever.
I am in one of those moods............
[QUOTE=Väkisinkastettu]. Crowley, for example, used pretty much his whole adult life trying to get more money in order to publish more of his books and run his abbey, one could only guess how much more he, or any known occultist, would have been able to do if they only had the money needed.
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...I thought he wanted the money to stuff his face full of opiates and cocaine. Crowley would've been able to produce more books had he not a penance for having them bound lavishly in opulence, which say more about his beliefs than the (opiate induced) texts I fear!
I am being harsh on the fat poof, as undoubtably he released the nmost potent tomes on the science ever.
I am in one of those moods............
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Original post: die before death
well I dunno,.... I think Ferengis are natural orange meme style satanists.
hail satan.
well I dunno,.... I think Ferengis are natural orange meme style satanists.
hail satan.
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Original post: Venus666
satanisim is within the culture hiddenin many forms look at the programming on MTV it shows sex, violence our choices are based on what the media feeds us, thusly as it gets more and more extreme it will take hold within society
satanisim is within the culture hiddenin many forms look at the programming on MTV it shows sex, violence our choices are based on what the media feeds us, thusly as it gets more and more extreme it will take hold within society
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Original post: m1thr0s
As long as money equates to freedom Satanists will have a vested interest in it.
Money can represent some unusual problems for Satanists - not just Satanists really - anybody on the "wrong" side of the fence socially speaking...I can't say I've sorted the damn thing out myself...I wish I could say I had...I've had a very weird life...lots of bizarre little detours starting with a broken home into foster homes and all that crap and meandering along a very weird and often isolated path...many of the things that would usually make sense for others have not applied to me so it's still up in the air with respect to money...I also appear to suffer from AS or some damn thing that serves to intensify my isolation and makes me prone to lofty mental pursuits that do not often equate to financial stability...these are just obstacles, but there's been a lot of them...
Satanists may have a higher need than most to make money in strict relation to their will and not separate from this. A lot of people place money on one level and self on another and proceed to juggle the two like completely different balls. This doesn't always work for some of us. In a case like that you have to figure out some way to make money in lieu of whatever it is you do creatively...and that can be a difficult equation to sort out since not all art forms are equally endowed financially speaking...I figure there's always a way...but it isn't always clear just what that might be...
m1thr0s
As long as money equates to freedom Satanists will have a vested interest in it.
Money can represent some unusual problems for Satanists - not just Satanists really - anybody on the "wrong" side of the fence socially speaking...I can't say I've sorted the damn thing out myself...I wish I could say I had...I've had a very weird life...lots of bizarre little detours starting with a broken home into foster homes and all that crap and meandering along a very weird and often isolated path...many of the things that would usually make sense for others have not applied to me so it's still up in the air with respect to money...I also appear to suffer from AS or some damn thing that serves to intensify my isolation and makes me prone to lofty mental pursuits that do not often equate to financial stability...these are just obstacles, but there's been a lot of them...
Satanists may have a higher need than most to make money in strict relation to their will and not separate from this. A lot of people place money on one level and self on another and proceed to juggle the two like completely different balls. This doesn't always work for some of us. In a case like that you have to figure out some way to make money in lieu of whatever it is you do creatively...and that can be a difficult equation to sort out since not all art forms are equally endowed financially speaking...I figure there's always a way...but it isn't always clear just what that might be...
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Original post: Interstellis
Some good points are made by all here. Personally, I find that the satanist would seek to obtain as much independence in his/her surroundings by using whatever the particular societies' currency is...in most societies, the currency is cash, in others it might be food, political influence (which no doubt is powered by cash in many cases) and still in others the currency might be something altogether different, like trade skills or the like. The key, I think, is one's ability to procure enough of the currency to survive and remain independent which better enables one to do their will.
In other words, the currency is a tool, and those who can best make use of their tools within that society will have advantages that others won't.
It's been a personal ideal of mine that if I cannot master my own checkbook, how the hell can I expect to master my universe?
Some good points are made by all here. Personally, I find that the satanist would seek to obtain as much independence in his/her surroundings by using whatever the particular societies' currency is...in most societies, the currency is cash, in others it might be food, political influence (which no doubt is powered by cash in many cases) and still in others the currency might be something altogether different, like trade skills or the like. The key, I think, is one's ability to procure enough of the currency to survive and remain independent which better enables one to do their will.
In other words, the currency is a tool, and those who can best make use of their tools within that society will have advantages that others won't.
It's been a personal ideal of mine that if I cannot master my own checkbook, how the hell can I expect to master my universe?
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Original post: frater luciferi
i don't relate money as freedom. I relate money as reward for service. I suppose there is a difference between being an independent agent and an employee but in my economic bracket it all basically seems to boil down to one thing-who am i working for. As much i find my own power within myself, there will always be the burgeois and the mediocre breathing down my neck, but as much an eccentric is one whom defys convention. And as much not as a detriment to the self but an elevation of the self. Perhaps this could be seen as "individualistc", but it is incomparable with the "teenage rebellious" image that people have of the LHP?
then it came to me, that "wierd" or "genius" or orginal are all terms that are given to those who wish to stand aside from the traditional privy of system?
i don't relate money as freedom. I relate money as reward for service. I suppose there is a difference between being an independent agent and an employee but in my economic bracket it all basically seems to boil down to one thing-who am i working for. As much i find my own power within myself, there will always be the burgeois and the mediocre breathing down my neck, but as much an eccentric is one whom defys convention. And as much not as a detriment to the self but an elevation of the self. Perhaps this could be seen as "individualistc", but it is incomparable with the "teenage rebellious" image that people have of the LHP?
then it came to me, that "wierd" or "genius" or orginal are all terms that are given to those who wish to stand aside from the traditional privy of system?
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Original post: theblackpeacock
i relate money to slavery. It's just something to further limit and label you. Imagine, without money or property, there would be no war, no classes, minimal crime, and a myriad of other things. That would make the entire world capable of focussing on more important things.
As i once saw in the anarchist info shop on haight street, "from each according to ability to each according to need."
i relate money to slavery. It's just something to further limit and label you. Imagine, without money or property, there would be no war, no classes, minimal crime, and a myriad of other things. That would make the entire world capable of focussing on more important things.
As i once saw in the anarchist info shop on haight street, "from each according to ability to each according to need."