Original post: Kasumi
I read the topic of Transvocation, and went to the site linked by Venus666. Its quite different from the Key of Solomon methods. I was just wondering what everyone thinks about these two methods-which one do you prefer? Anyone ever tried one or the other and gotten results or the living crap scared out of them? I was curious about demon summoning myself and was trying to build up the knowledge and nerve to attempt it. I do have a reason for it, that I can swear to you-its not just a, "Hey, I wonder whats goin' on in hell, think I'll ask em' just to see if they'll show up and answer me," deal.
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Original post: Venus666
Kasumi,
I dont know what your level of experience is, but I will try to explain this so that you can understand it.
The article on the Library of Knowledge describes a type of summoning that is a mind-set. These states of mind can be accesssed with practice and learning to summon in this way will give you a clearer picture of the proccess. It works directly with the spirit being summoned and leaves out the middle man. You are working with the entity, and not trying to bind it by using the names of god. You can be of any religion,or faith and use this method, because itis the Direct Method of Summoning.
The power and knowledge to summon comes from within brought out by study and practice. It is accessing different states of mind, compared to solomon, which is just empty ritual, and tells you nothing about the states of mind that it involves..
If you read and study the article there, you can see that the Solomon way of summoning is less direct, although probably just as powerful. Solomonic/goetic magick is not entirely Satanic , per-say because many of the symbols are christian. If you do plan on doing it the Solomon way, there is not much info on how you can manipulate entites without using the name of God or Jehova. Call it Christian Sorcery. Thier rituals are nothing but mind-conditioning for the final result. Unless you are into ritual magick, you might find it useless.
I say, cut to the chase and get to the action.
If you are curious about summoning, I also suggest that you go back to the TLOK site and do a little studying on Psi and also some type of magick caste, for your own benefit. Unless you are adept at some type of magick skills, all the books and tools won't help you a bit.
God-forms, entities and spirits can have a will of thier own and generally wont bother to visit a summoner that has little or no ability. Just a Note
The study of some type of magick will also aide your summoning abilities to a greater
degree, and help to broaden your view of what it's really about.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/index.html
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Kasumi,
I dont know what your level of experience is, but I will try to explain this so that you can understand it.
The article on the Library of Knowledge describes a type of summoning that is a mind-set. These states of mind can be accesssed with practice and learning to summon in this way will give you a clearer picture of the proccess. It works directly with the spirit being summoned and leaves out the middle man. You are working with the entity, and not trying to bind it by using the names of god. You can be of any religion,or faith and use this method, because itis the Direct Method of Summoning.
The power and knowledge to summon comes from within brought out by study and practice. It is accessing different states of mind, compared to solomon, which is just empty ritual, and tells you nothing about the states of mind that it involves..
If you read and study the article there, you can see that the Solomon way of summoning is less direct, although probably just as powerful. Solomonic/goetic magick is not entirely Satanic , per-say because many of the symbols are christian. If you do plan on doing it the Solomon way, there is not much info on how you can manipulate entites without using the name of God or Jehova. Call it Christian Sorcery. Thier rituals are nothing but mind-conditioning for the final result. Unless you are into ritual magick, you might find it useless.
I say, cut to the chase and get to the action.
If you are curious about summoning, I also suggest that you go back to the TLOK site and do a little studying on Psi and also some type of magick caste, for your own benefit. Unless you are adept at some type of magick skills, all the books and tools won't help you a bit.
God-forms, entities and spirits can have a will of thier own and generally wont bother to visit a summoner that has little or no ability. Just a Note
The study of some type of magick will also aide your summoning abilities to a greater
degree, and help to broaden your view of what it's really about.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/index.html
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Original post: Kasumi
Thanks, Venus. I'm on a time constraint for what I need here, so I have to learn this quickly....unfortunately, adult ADHD is not your friend in these situations, but I think I can work through it. Also, I am a begginer in magic and I know that this is a dangerous thing to be doing hastily, but I have no choice-I need this done and I need it done within a month's time. Any help that you or anyone else could offer me along the way would be incredibly helpful.
Thanks, Venus. I'm on a time constraint for what I need here, so I have to learn this quickly....unfortunately, adult ADHD is not your friend in these situations, but I think I can work through it. Also, I am a begginer in magic and I know that this is a dangerous thing to be doing hastily, but I have no choice-I need this done and I need it done within a month's time. Any help that you or anyone else could offer me along the way would be incredibly helpful.
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Original post: Kasumi
Sorry to add this now, but I read the castes listing on there and I think I'm best suited at being a Psi Mage or Summoner. I've always been interested in psychology and occult issues pertaining to the powers of the mind itself, so thusly I'm interested in being a Psi Mage, and summoning has always interested me ever since (please excuse this reference, but it is the truth) I was about 8 and was playing Final Fantasy II. Also, I have doubts about my own strength to simply cast spells (sincere, calm, well put prayer has worked for me so far, but not for this particular issue yet) so I want to rely on the help of an entity outside of this realm. I need to do this as soon as possible, and as I stated before, any help that anyone experienced in this could give me would be quite benficial and very much appreciated-I seem to work better with a person than with a text in these cases. Thank you.
Sorry to add this now, but I read the castes listing on there and I think I'm best suited at being a Psi Mage or Summoner. I've always been interested in psychology and occult issues pertaining to the powers of the mind itself, so thusly I'm interested in being a Psi Mage, and summoning has always interested me ever since (please excuse this reference, but it is the truth) I was about 8 and was playing Final Fantasy II. Also, I have doubts about my own strength to simply cast spells (sincere, calm, well put prayer has worked for me so far, but not for this particular issue yet) so I want to rely on the help of an entity outside of this realm. I need to do this as soon as possible, and as I stated before, any help that anyone experienced in this could give me would be quite benficial and very much appreciated-I seem to work better with a person than with a text in these cases. Thank you.
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Original post: Venus666
There is no way you could learn the art of summoning in one week. Try to think of some other way you could sove your problem..magick isnt always the answer
There is no way you could learn the art of summoning in one week. Try to think of some other way you could sove your problem..magick isnt always the answer
Why dont you make an offering, or some kind of deal instead of prayer..
so I want to rely on the help of an entity outside of this realm. I need to do this as soon as possible
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Original post: Kasumi
I had actually considered doing that, but what would one want in return? (I know I probably shouldn't be asking that) I'll give anything short of a soul here, and even thats negotiable at this point...... I've been wronged by some people, terribly (the only thing they could have done worse to me is shoot my sister point blank, and I don't put that past them if they thought they'd get away with it like they did this). It isn't really a vengeance thing per say, more of a way to bring Justice about becasue I don't see it happening on it's own anytime soon. Through my prayer I have seen some results, but not a complete resolution of it all, and whenever I do get a small step towards my goal in this, it takes 10 steps back in the other partie's favor. I'll do whatever it takes, for as long as it takes......I didn't figure I'd be able to do this as quickly as I'd hoped, but it was worth a shot. Thanks, Venus.
I had actually considered doing that, but what would one want in return? (I know I probably shouldn't be asking that) I'll give anything short of a soul here, and even thats negotiable at this point...... I've been wronged by some people, terribly (the only thing they could have done worse to me is shoot my sister point blank, and I don't put that past them if they thought they'd get away with it like they did this). It isn't really a vengeance thing per say, more of a way to bring Justice about becasue I don't see it happening on it's own anytime soon. Through my prayer I have seen some results, but not a complete resolution of it all, and whenever I do get a small step towards my goal in this, it takes 10 steps back in the other partie's favor. I'll do whatever it takes, for as long as it takes......I didn't figure I'd be able to do this as quickly as I'd hoped, but it was worth a shot. Thanks, Venus.
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Original post: Venus666
I cant help you and I wont but i will say try and use the Tarot
I cant help you and I wont but i will say try and use the Tarot
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Original post: tanis_elven
wel;, kasumi...its true that magic cant be studied in jus a week...but if your emotions are strong enough, then there is no doubt that your evocation is going to work , But u must learn to control all your doubts,fears and emotions...which is probably the most difficult part...also reading from a book is not going to work..you should learn all the conjuration and try to understand it meaning... Keep control of your emotions...dont be doubtfull...for doubt can lead to fear and fear will conquer you and your evocaion will fail....
Good luck you
wel;, kasumi...its true that magic cant be studied in jus a week...but if your emotions are strong enough, then there is no doubt that your evocation is going to work , But u must learn to control all your doubts,fears and emotions...which is probably the most difficult part...also reading from a book is not going to work..you should learn all the conjuration and try to understand it meaning... Keep control of your emotions...dont be doubtfull...for doubt can lead to fear and fear will conquer you and your evocaion will fail....
Good luck you
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Original post: tanis_elven
also...evoke a spirit..never try to Invoke them
also...evoke a spirit..never try to Invoke them