Original post: SatsUrn
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Although I know not even gods and goddesses live forever, I still wanted to explore what essences, "plants, animals, minerals, or whatever," has been used to either give the impression of immortality or more probably, just been used for longevity purposes. There are a lot of references in mythology to such magickal plants, substances, and protocols, "that prolong life," that I think this should be explored in a little detail. More than likely we are looking for something that enhances DNA in some way? One of the first written references to such an idea is found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is our oldest surviving written epic on the planet? So this was a great interest even that far back, and the gods may have just not told us everything? I have always wondered why if such gods were "truly on our side" would they not share what it is that made them live longer than us?
A few suspects
Nelumbo Sacred lotus
Nymphaea Blue Lotus
Haoma
Grape Vines/Wines
Gold, Diatomic and Monotomic forms
Foods/Plants/animals developed in Mountainous regions (elevated)
Foods/Plants/creatures developed under water
Genestein
BHT
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I just want to see where this goes? Mono-atomic and Diatomic
Gold and other elements.
It should be noted here that this type of Mono-atomic white gold is not the type
used in jewelry, But a very, very fine powder, almost like a heavy gas or very fine dust. I know seeking these longevity knowledge angles is a steep grade but I felt this should be breached. I also plan to have this information removed in about two months. That should give plenty of time to research and formulate this material.
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(1) The Atomic ORME and S-ORME States of Matter. Atom to atom bonds and properties that result.
A Technical Overview
(1) http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/new/hudson.htm
(2) http://www.asc-alchemy.com/mono.html
(3) http://www.halexandria.org/dward477.htm
(3) http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:reK7N1Di9BsJ:www.halexandria.org/dward477.htm+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=5
(4) google http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:5GiwsW2cbQUJ:www.halexandria.org/dward512.htm+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=6
(4) http://www.halexandria.org/dward512.htm
Even Occult Forums is in the top six google picks for this subject in the world!
(5) http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:gqvTKZ7OTCQJ:www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php/t-5740.html+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=7
(6) http://users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/super001.html
(7) http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/research/research.htm
(8) http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:-gPMKyVlhNAJ:www.spmtips.com/files/biology_bibliography.pdf+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=10
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I just want to see where this goes? Mono-atomic and Diatomic
Gold and other elements.
It should be noted here that this type of Mono-atomic white gold is not the type
used in jewelry, But a very, very fine powder, almost like a heavy gas or very fine dust. I know seeking these longevity knowledge angles is a steep grade but I felt this should be breached. I also plan to have this information removed in about two months. That should give plenty of time to research and formulate this material.
Sats
(1) The Atomic ORME and S-ORME States of Matter. Atom to atom bonds and properties that result.
A Technical Overview
(1) http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/new/hudson.htm
(2) http://www.asc-alchemy.com/mono.html
(3) http://www.halexandria.org/dward477.htm
(3) http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:reK7N1Di9BsJ:www.halexandria.org/dward477.htm+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=5
(4) google http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:5GiwsW2cbQUJ:www.halexandria.org/dward512.htm+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=6
(4) http://www.halexandria.org/dward512.htm
Even Occult Forums is in the top six google picks for this subject in the world!
(5) http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:gqvTKZ7OTCQJ:www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php/t-5740.html+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=7
(6) http://users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/super001.html
(7) http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/research/research.htm
(8) http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:-gPMKyVlhNAJ:www.spmtips.com/files/biology_bibliography.pdf+Biological+Effects++++Mono+Atomic+Gold+&hl=en&start=10
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Moved to Satanism as per originiators request.
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One cannot harvest a field until the field is ready to be harvested. You plant the seeds, you maintain the field and let nature take its course. Tampering with the laws of nature in this respect may ultimately lead to something freakish and unnatural. One season of accelerated crop may jeapordize the health of virtually all future crops, and we also need to consider what humankind's universal role is intended to be. Are we to be simple genetic hybrids or something truly free and independant? It may have already been tried in other worlds with catastrophic results, or else be logically deducable given enough empirical data on the matter. I am just guessing in this respect, but I have been over this ground many times so I have developed a kind of instinct about it...
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I have considered this as well since it comes up in various creation myths and while I don't for a second believe that the "gods" were ever really in support of humankind anyway, certainly the question still lingers with respect to very specific Creation deities such as Ningishzida etc. It's quite late so I don't have time or energy to lay out the whole logic but I think that there may be one - albeit somewhat uncomfortable. It has to do with quality vs quantity. If immortality is an accessable thing for human beings (and I believe it is), it may be important that we pick this particular fruit entirely on our own initiative in order to achieve a proper balance between knowledge and power. The possible ramifications of upsetting this balance may be so severe that the gods themselves may have had no choice but adhere to some sort of universal "law" governing such stuff. It is not only the gods we have to question in this regard you know. There have also been isolated individuals from time to time who were purported to have achieved this balance on an individual level yet none of them passed on the knowledge either...why not? The underlying principle may be the same...that the time is only right when we have taken the necessary initiative to make it right. Anything other than this may in fact be tantamount to sabotaging a much greater longrange potential. I have a number of supporting arguments for this notion but I will have to take this up later on...I have always wondered why if such gods were "truly on our side" would they not share what it is that made them live longer than us?
One cannot harvest a field until the field is ready to be harvested. You plant the seeds, you maintain the field and let nature take its course. Tampering with the laws of nature in this respect may ultimately lead to something freakish and unnatural. One season of accelerated crop may jeapordize the health of virtually all future crops, and we also need to consider what humankind's universal role is intended to be. Are we to be simple genetic hybrids or something truly free and independant? It may have already been tried in other worlds with catastrophic results, or else be logically deducable given enough empirical data on the matter. I am just guessing in this respect, but I have been over this ground many times so I have developed a kind of instinct about it...
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[QUOTE="SatsUrn"] I have always wondered why if such gods were "truly on our side" would they not share what it is that made them live longer than us?[/QUOTE]
By doing so, it would remove humanities awe of the ulimate/s, which must be maintained for it to be desirable to us, thereby being a flame in the dark enticing us forward - towards the answers. I guess. If they spilled the info, we would be as gods before our level of achievement had equalled its respect.
Too many refined toxins shortening our lifespans now, though we live longer now than 500years, hell, longer than 100 years ago, perhaps once we did live longer. Our over population has caused friction and acceleration of neccesity, leading to the turmoil we are now in, in the "west". I am certain that any exilir found will not be distributed widely, but intimately between like minded groups. it could be here already, but would we share it?
I wouldnt, but to my own. So this is the catch 22, find a cure for mortality yet millions will never know its name. The machine of our muscle will and is meant to be die off, giving us an undetermined yet finite span of years to sort our directions out and atleast strive for betterment, in what ever form we choose.
life is indeed too short, and its questions too long. The gift of life seems to be its demise, and the sum of its worth - the time spent living it.
[QUOTE="SatsUrn"] I have always wondered why if such gods were "truly on our side" would they not share what it is that made them live longer than us?[/QUOTE]
By doing so, it would remove humanities awe of the ulimate/s, which must be maintained for it to be desirable to us, thereby being a flame in the dark enticing us forward - towards the answers. I guess. If they spilled the info, we would be as gods before our level of achievement had equalled its respect.
Too many refined toxins shortening our lifespans now, though we live longer now than 500years, hell, longer than 100 years ago, perhaps once we did live longer. Our over population has caused friction and acceleration of neccesity, leading to the turmoil we are now in, in the "west". I am certain that any exilir found will not be distributed widely, but intimately between like minded groups. it could be here already, but would we share it?
I wouldnt, but to my own. So this is the catch 22, find a cure for mortality yet millions will never know its name. The machine of our muscle will and is meant to be die off, giving us an undetermined yet finite span of years to sort our directions out and atleast strive for betterment, in what ever form we choose.
life is indeed too short, and its questions too long. The gift of life seems to be its demise, and the sum of its worth - the time spent living it.
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Original post: Venus666
these statements about immortality begs the question:
If life is so short, then why do we live at all?
This is the question of many occultists thoruought time, the question of life after death in some way, if it is attainable
If it is, I imagine, that no one has or will ever come back to tell us, firstly to prevent overpopulation of other planes of existance
maybe the "human " spirit as a collective conciousness is immortal in itself- I wouldnt feel so dismal thinking of it on those terms
these statements about immortality begs the question:
If life is so short, then why do we live at all?
This is the question of many occultists thoruought time, the question of life after death in some way, if it is attainable
If it is, I imagine, that no one has or will ever come back to tell us, firstly to prevent overpopulation of other planes of existance
maybe the "human " spirit as a collective conciousness is immortal in itself- I wouldnt feel so dismal thinking of it on those terms
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Another side to this of course is that we don't really know what Death looks like from the other side of the coin. We know what it looks like from this side and it basically sucks, hands down. While I am loathe to belabor AC's work, there are times when it seems nearly inevitable...Hadit states: "There are none who shall be cast down or lifted up. Everything shall remain ever as it was." I see this as a reflection upon Death itself...that what we fail to realize is that we emerge from Death exactly the same as we were just prior to it - only the universe has suddenly become much bigger - much more powerful - and everything is amplified to its universal extents. So a scumbag suddenly becomes a universal scumbag while a God becomes, likewise, a universal God...no difference really...just a LOT more power added into the equation. So given this - or the possibility of this - Death may not really be any big deal to those who have planned for it intelligently from the outset. I understand that this is just one small sliver in things but it should be mentioned anyway...
m1thr0s
Another side to this of course is that we don't really know what Death looks like from the other side of the coin. We know what it looks like from this side and it basically sucks, hands down. While I am loathe to belabor AC's work, there are times when it seems nearly inevitable...Hadit states: "There are none who shall be cast down or lifted up. Everything shall remain ever as it was." I see this as a reflection upon Death itself...that what we fail to realize is that we emerge from Death exactly the same as we were just prior to it - only the universe has suddenly become much bigger - much more powerful - and everything is amplified to its universal extents. So a scumbag suddenly becomes a universal scumbag while a God becomes, likewise, a universal God...no difference really...just a LOT more power added into the equation. So given this - or the possibility of this - Death may not really be any big deal to those who have planned for it intelligently from the outset. I understand that this is just one small sliver in things but it should be mentioned anyway...
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I am a firm believer that there is only the NOW. So everything that happened and everything that will be are as much merely changes in scenery and location that replace the "facade" of what artifice that now represents. Perhaps as much our own shells might fade away, but the soul remains in the NOW and as much beyond our limited understanding of "time". I would no more wish for an extended period in this skin then the next or the later. Matter can only hold form for a short period.
I am a firm believer that there is only the NOW. So everything that happened and everything that will be are as much merely changes in scenery and location that replace the "facade" of what artifice that now represents. Perhaps as much our own shells might fade away, but the soul remains in the NOW and as much beyond our limited understanding of "time". I would no more wish for an extended period in this skin then the next or the later. Matter can only hold form for a short period.
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Fascinating responses, every single one of them. I am awed!
Some ideas about this physical body have come to me after reading all these replies and I will share them. One, that is that life extension itself leads to more life extension so in that regard this may be somewhat inevitable left to a natural course? Behind closed doors I have heard that our nuclear DNA is actually older than what the official assigned age of the machine/galaxy is. (you will not find me assigning an age to what we refer to the universe's age, as I hope I am not that arrogant)
Whatever I do discover in this regard I will share it with those who have shared with me what they think. Some of the information that I do know is that limiting intake of so called foods does have a life span enhancing effect.
Water quality is perhaps the most important item in longevity, as that is basically what the body operates on.
People who live the longest derive most protein and fat from pacific water ways. I think the C-14 levels of fish is minimal, and also the birds that feed on them as being life enhancing. (please note there are worse toxins than C-14 but C-14 is what was added to the clay (in the first place) as to make it's fate this way or that, or how long it would live. " Water plants may also share this property? The culture that created me, always claimed that the spirit needs gold, perhaps DNA requires gold? It does require Molybdenum which is really rare also! That gold was essential to life, I used to think them crazy, but have come to that same conclusion that gold must be worn tightly against the flesh so the body can absorb minute amounts of the preciious substance. Now with the advent of Diatomic and Mono-atomic forms of gold now on the scene, wearing gold, may be inefficient? But I have yet the need to start eating gold, wearing it seems to work well enough, for now anyway.
I will keep reporting on what may make the physical flesh last longer, if anyone knows ways to preserve the spiritual self, please feel free to share your thoughts/links here.
I still have more links to add here specifically on HGH human growth hormone but I cannot find the info, so I will have to re-research it again. I do not believe in melantonin, unless the body actually needs it. I also have posted chemical and hormone data links in the Witchcraft library for those who want to explore chemical structure and effects on the human body.
I Bow To All Who Have Responded. Thank You.
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I am kind of in a hurry tonight, but I must relate. I do not endorse these three links yet until further study. However, HGH may work because it is made with "synthetic" Nucleic Bases and synthetic Amino Acids which possess NO C-14 nor H3 isotopes the two most life limiting agents that get into DNA. That these substances made synthetically from old carbon and hydrogen lack those poisonious radioactive isotopes that get into the molecular structure of the nucleic bases that make up the dna DNA. and to a lesser extent amino acids are used to make proteins via DNA/RNA transcription so synthetic amino acids may also contain none of the toxins mentioned. I will have to look into Threonine, because it contains a Sulfur atom in it's methyl group to see if it sustains radioactivity?
But in short No trojan horses atoms correlates with sustained life action.
So until I have really re-research these take them with a grain of salt. I will get into why later when I have more time. I would not trust anyone selling this stuff unless I know where they are getting their starting material from. In short Death is Life, carbon that has been locked away for over 100,000 years is the preferable carbon.
Another note HGH is not nessessary unless it is required.
Thanks!
SatsUrn
http://www.sciweb.com/features/patents/patents_930_12_15_00.cfm
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:Yxu2Wb6wIkwJ:www.vitaminusa.com/homrechumgro.html+Human+Growth+Hormone+Amino+Acids+Nucleic+&hl=en&start=2
http://www.supergreen.biz/hgh.htm
AE
Fascinating responses, every single one of them. I am awed!
Some ideas about this physical body have come to me after reading all these replies and I will share them. One, that is that life extension itself leads to more life extension so in that regard this may be somewhat inevitable left to a natural course? Behind closed doors I have heard that our nuclear DNA is actually older than what the official assigned age of the machine/galaxy is. (you will not find me assigning an age to what we refer to the universe's age, as I hope I am not that arrogant)
Whatever I do discover in this regard I will share it with those who have shared with me what they think. Some of the information that I do know is that limiting intake of so called foods does have a life span enhancing effect.
Water quality is perhaps the most important item in longevity, as that is basically what the body operates on.
People who live the longest derive most protein and fat from pacific water ways. I think the C-14 levels of fish is minimal, and also the birds that feed on them as being life enhancing. (please note there are worse toxins than C-14 but C-14 is what was added to the clay (in the first place) as to make it's fate this way or that, or how long it would live. " Water plants may also share this property? The culture that created me, always claimed that the spirit needs gold, perhaps DNA requires gold? It does require Molybdenum which is really rare also! That gold was essential to life, I used to think them crazy, but have come to that same conclusion that gold must be worn tightly against the flesh so the body can absorb minute amounts of the preciious substance. Now with the advent of Diatomic and Mono-atomic forms of gold now on the scene, wearing gold, may be inefficient? But I have yet the need to start eating gold, wearing it seems to work well enough, for now anyway.
I will keep reporting on what may make the physical flesh last longer, if anyone knows ways to preserve the spiritual self, please feel free to share your thoughts/links here.
I still have more links to add here specifically on HGH human growth hormone but I cannot find the info, so I will have to re-research it again. I do not believe in melantonin, unless the body actually needs it. I also have posted chemical and hormone data links in the Witchcraft library for those who want to explore chemical structure and effects on the human body.
I Bow To All Who Have Responded. Thank You.
SatsUrn
AE
I am kind of in a hurry tonight, but I must relate. I do not endorse these three links yet until further study. However, HGH may work because it is made with "synthetic" Nucleic Bases and synthetic Amino Acids which possess NO C-14 nor H3 isotopes the two most life limiting agents that get into DNA. That these substances made synthetically from old carbon and hydrogen lack those poisonious radioactive isotopes that get into the molecular structure of the nucleic bases that make up the dna DNA. and to a lesser extent amino acids are used to make proteins via DNA/RNA transcription so synthetic amino acids may also contain none of the toxins mentioned. I will have to look into Threonine, because it contains a Sulfur atom in it's methyl group to see if it sustains radioactivity?
But in short No trojan horses atoms correlates with sustained life action.
So until I have really re-research these take them with a grain of salt. I will get into why later when I have more time. I would not trust anyone selling this stuff unless I know where they are getting their starting material from. In short Death is Life, carbon that has been locked away for over 100,000 years is the preferable carbon.
Another note HGH is not nessessary unless it is required.
Thanks!
SatsUrn
http://www.sciweb.com/features/patents/patents_930_12_15_00.cfm
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:Yxu2Wb6wIkwJ:www.vitaminusa.com/homrechumgro.html+Human+Growth+Hormone+Amino+Acids+Nucleic+&hl=en&start=2
http://www.supergreen.biz/hgh.htm
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quitters- there is an experiment going on right now to extend the lives of certain pet rats (ethical, unfunded, informal experiment) through the use of energy constructs, reiki and prenatal chi restoration/augmentation.
the results have been breathtaking. a two year old rat (rats usually live 2-3 years) has recovered from kidney problems, regrown hair, regained vitality and even, balanced muscle tone/structure in the span of a month.
quitters- there is an experiment going on right now to extend the lives of certain pet rats (ethical, unfunded, informal experiment) through the use of energy constructs, reiki and prenatal chi restoration/augmentation.
the results have been breathtaking. a two year old rat (rats usually live 2-3 years) has recovered from kidney problems, regrown hair, regained vitality and even, balanced muscle tone/structure in the span of a month.