Original post: halbmensch
When casting runes one must state the issue that is worrying you. When I do not specifically choose a topic or state anything and just cast the runes for the "fun". Will the result then be whatever is on your mind at that time.. Like something that was worrying me?
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Original post: daecon
Any type of divination, tarot, runes, tea leaves, crystal gazing etc. Can be used for specific questions or just "show me what I need to know." Because it's a more open question, the need to know can often be more difficult to interpret. It's a good way to bring a deep seated problem to your attention, though.
Any type of divination, tarot, runes, tea leaves, crystal gazing etc. Can be used for specific questions or just "show me what I need to know." Because it's a more open question, the need to know can often be more difficult to interpret. It's a good way to bring a deep seated problem to your attention, though.
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Original post: Oryx
When I use divination without any particular "question" (I do this alot), I find that issues that are still a little subconscious, that aren't concrete enough in my mind, are laid out for me in a very concrete manner, and I go "oh yeah.. that's what I was feeling." Often times I will get a strong warning from the cards or runes when I am doing something that is negatively affecting me but ignoring it. So I roll my eyes, sigh and think "ugh... Fine. I'll get right on it." *grumble* Always have to laugh at that, heh
When I use divination without any particular "question" (I do this alot), I find that issues that are still a little subconscious, that aren't concrete enough in my mind, are laid out for me in a very concrete manner, and I go "oh yeah.. that's what I was feeling." Often times I will get a strong warning from the cards or runes when I am doing something that is negatively affecting me but ignoring it. So I roll my eyes, sigh and think "ugh... Fine. I'll get right on it." *grumble* Always have to laugh at that, heh
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Original post: S33k3R
Just bear in mind that its usually a good idea to have at least some sort of perspective to relate to.
Sometimes I get the strangest rune patterns, don't make any sense...I usually leave the arrangement sitting in a prominent place, (coffee table is always good). Then, often when I'm gnawing on a seemingly random problem that only presented itself after the casting...the lights go on...Ahh, right...so thats what that was all about.
Sometimes its to easy to infer what we want onto the casting...we fail to "see" what the casting actually says.
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Just bear in mind that its usually a good idea to have at least some sort of perspective to relate to.
Sometimes I get the strangest rune patterns, don't make any sense...I usually leave the arrangement sitting in a prominent place, (coffee table is always good). Then, often when I'm gnawing on a seemingly random problem that only presented itself after the casting...the lights go on...Ahh, right...so thats what that was all about.
Sometimes its to easy to infer what we want onto the casting...we fail to "see" what the casting actually says.
my 2c.
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Original post: Brigit
I have found that if I am not specific, just randomly draw the runes, then I get a general situation type reading. I've also had my runes fall out of the bag on their own, the perfect number for a reading, and it was relevant. Sometimes the Gods smack you on the head.
I have found that if I am not specific, just randomly draw the runes, then I get a general situation type reading. I've also had my runes fall out of the bag on their own, the perfect number for a reading, and it was relevant. Sometimes the Gods smack you on the head.
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Original post: Carmin
[QUOTE=Brigit;347594]I have found that if I am not specific, just randomly draw the runes, then I get a general situation type reading. I've also had my runes fall out of the bag on their own, the perfect number for a reading, and it was relevant. Sometimes the Gods smack you on the head.[/QUOTE]
The notorious "Clue-by-Four"!
When I do a casting without a specific question in mind, it turns out to be a case of hindsight being 20-20. I may be alert to the issues the runes bring up, but they often slip under the radar.
[QUOTE=Brigit;347594]I have found that if I am not specific, just randomly draw the runes, then I get a general situation type reading. I've also had my runes fall out of the bag on their own, the perfect number for a reading, and it was relevant. Sometimes the Gods smack you on the head.
[/QUOTE]The notorious "Clue-by-Four"!
When I do a casting without a specific question in mind, it turns out to be a case of hindsight being 20-20. I may be alert to the issues the runes bring up, but they often slip under the radar.
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Original post: halbmensch
Thanx for the replies. It does make sense.. After doing a couple more readings on the issue that was bothering me that day, I got the same results. (well the same rune over and over as the solution/ action). It kept telling me to complete whatever I am doing.
Thanx for the replies. It does make sense.. After doing a couple more readings on the issue that was bothering me that day, I got the same results. (well the same rune over and over as the solution/ action). It kept telling me to complete whatever I am doing.
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Original post: ObscureThoughts
I always find it helpful, even if I think I know what a reading was about, to draw a picture of it in my notebook, and to write down my first impressions. Like Carmin said, hindsight is 20-20. You might think it's one thing but then the fates baf you upside the head and go "Hey, stupid. That's totally not what we were trying to prepare you for!"
I always find it helpful, even if I think I know what a reading was about, to draw a picture of it in my notebook, and to write down my first impressions. Like Carmin said, hindsight is 20-20. You might think it's one thing but then the fates baf you upside the head and go "Hey, stupid. That's totally not what we were trying to prepare you for!"
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Original post: MatthewK
This thread made me re-think. I haven't done a tarot reading without a "question" in probably seven or eight years... perhaps it's time to give a go again now that I'm more experienced and have bonded with my deck
Interesting thoughts, guys.
This thread made me re-think. I haven't done a tarot reading without a "question" in probably seven or eight years... perhaps it's time to give a go again now that I'm more experienced and have bonded with my deck
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Original post: AETERNITAS0
You know the great funny thing about the runes...
nobody really knows what they mean at all.
Every different book will give conflicting meanings to them.
They are symbols of the gods that are lost to us.
All those people, casting the runes, working with energies that they will never truly grasp.
You know the great funny thing about the runes...
nobody really knows what they mean at all.
Every different book will give conflicting meanings to them.
They are symbols of the gods that are lost to us.
All those people, casting the runes, working with energies that they will never truly grasp.
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Original post: Rick
Um... no. First & foremost, runes are magic pictographs. The images reflect the meanings more so than anything else. But ya have to dig deep, maybe as far back as cave art, to begin to get a grasp of the original meanings of the runes.AETERNITAS0;355156 wrote:You know the great funny thing about the runes...
nobody really knows what they mean at all.
Every different book will give conflicting meanings to them.
They are symbols of the gods that are lost to us.
All those people, casting the runes, working with energies that they will never truly grasp.
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Original post: AETERNITAS0
the runes are magic pictographs? wow...
the runes are magic pictographs? wow...
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Original post: Rick
Dude, just because it's a Mystery, it doesn't mean it's un-knowable; it just means much effort is required, and there are no short cuts.AETERNITAS0;356114 wrote:the runes are magic pictographs? wow...
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Original post: AETERNITAS0
oh really, there are no short cuts? wow...
oh really, there are no short cuts? wow...
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Original post: ObscureThoughts
As with any form of divination, yeah, you learn a little from books and teachers, but the rest is your gut feeling about it.
Now, whether it's your lunch not agreeing with you, or the fates nudging you in a certain direction, who knows...
As with any form of divination, yeah, you learn a little from books and teachers, but the rest is your gut feeling about it.
Now, whether it's your lunch not agreeing with you, or the fates nudging you in a certain direction, who knows...
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Original post: Azzerac
I have a question:
Does anyone know of an earlier source for rune interpretation than Blum?
I'm told that he's openly admitted to being High as a Kite when he wrote them!
Quite a rep he's developed, since his first publication in 1983!
I'm looking for something more reliable than a stoner's ideas on...well, "Stones".
Is that Ironic or what? ~LOL!~
I have a question:
Does anyone know of an earlier source for rune interpretation than Blum?
I'm told that he's openly admitted to being High as a Kite when he wrote them!
Quite a rep he's developed, since his first publication in 1983!
I'm looking for something more reliable than a stoner's ideas on...well, "Stones".
Is that Ironic or what? ~LOL!~
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Original post: Enso
You can of course just read translations of the poetic/prose eddas and the surviving "rune poems" to get a better idea of their uses and meanings. Other than that, I generally dig Stephen Flowers (aka "Edred Thorsson")'s stuff.
Far as I'm aware there's no known sure records of how, if at all, they were actually used for divination "back in the day". Most the methods used now are based loosely on those of the Tarot or I-Ching (such as Blum's writings regarding the topic). However, from the Hávamál of the Poetic Edda regarding the use of the Runes:
Knowest how one shall write, | knowest how one shall rede?
Knowest how one shall tint, | knowest how one makes trial?
Knowest how one shall ask, | knowest how one shall offer?
Knowest how one shall send, | knowest how one shall sacrifice?
The "tinting"/"coloring" was invariably with one's own blood, or at least red ochre. I just always like to point that one out
Anyway, trial and asking could very well have been referring to divination, and there's this bit on Wiki:
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Historically it is known that the Germanic peoples used numerous forms of divination and means of reading omens. Tacitus (Germania 10) gives a detailed second-hand account:
Augury and divination by lot no people practise more diligently. The use of the lots is simple. A little bough is lopped off a fruit-bearing tree, and cut into small pieces; these are distinguished by certain marks, and thrown carelessly and at random over a white garment. In public questions the priest of the particular state, in private the father of the family, invokes the gods, and, with his eyes towards heaven, takes up each piece three times, and finds in them a meaning according to the mark previously impressed on them. If they prove unfavourable, there is no further consultation that day about the matter; if they sanction it, the confirmation of augury is still required.[1]
Tacitus' reference is not likely to refer to runes, however, as the runes do not seem to have been in use at the time of Tacitus' writings.
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I see no reason why the "certain marks" could not have been Runes, at least at some point. In the end, you can always ask Odin himself.
You can of course just read translations of the poetic/prose eddas and the surviving "rune poems" to get a better idea of their uses and meanings. Other than that, I generally dig Stephen Flowers (aka "Edred Thorsson")'s stuff.
Far as I'm aware there's no known sure records of how, if at all, they were actually used for divination "back in the day". Most the methods used now are based loosely on those of the Tarot or I-Ching (such as Blum's writings regarding the topic). However, from the Hávamál of the Poetic Edda regarding the use of the Runes:
Knowest how one shall write, | knowest how one shall rede?
Knowest how one shall tint, | knowest how one makes trial?
Knowest how one shall ask, | knowest how one shall offer?
Knowest how one shall send, | knowest how one shall sacrifice?
The "tinting"/"coloring" was invariably with one's own blood, or at least red ochre. I just always like to point that one out
Anyway, trial and asking could very well have been referring to divination, and there's this bit on Wiki:
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Historically it is known that the Germanic peoples used numerous forms of divination and means of reading omens. Tacitus (Germania 10) gives a detailed second-hand account:
Augury and divination by lot no people practise more diligently. The use of the lots is simple. A little bough is lopped off a fruit-bearing tree, and cut into small pieces; these are distinguished by certain marks, and thrown carelessly and at random over a white garment. In public questions the priest of the particular state, in private the father of the family, invokes the gods, and, with his eyes towards heaven, takes up each piece three times, and finds in them a meaning according to the mark previously impressed on them. If they prove unfavourable, there is no further consultation that day about the matter; if they sanction it, the confirmation of augury is still required.[1]
Tacitus' reference is not likely to refer to runes, however, as the runes do not seem to have been in use at the time of Tacitus' writings.
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I see no reason why the "certain marks" could not have been Runes, at least at some point. In the end, you can always ask Odin himself.
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4、小本票（stamps published in pamplet form）：为了便于携带，邮政部门将单一面值或多种面值的邮票印制成连票并装订成册，配有封底称为小本票。使用时按邮资撕下一枚或多枚即可。其上面邮票与原邮票的图案、面值、刷色均相同，只是由于装订、裁切的需要往往有一边、两边无齿孔或二、三边无齿。世界上发行小本票最早的国家是卢森堡，时间在1895年。中华邮政发行过小本票。新中国发行的第一个小本票是1980年6月1日发行的《童话-咕咚》。 5、连印票: 是将两枚或两枚以上不同图案的邮票连在一起印刷的邮票。连印票的形式多种多样，我国发行的连印票有：四方连，即将四枚不同图案的邮票组成四方形印在一起，如１９７９年９月１５日发行的"Ｊ４３" 《中华人民共和国第四届运动会》四方连邮票。对于从整张邮票上撕下图案相同的四枚邮票，习惯上也叫四方连，如猴票四方连。其实这是两种不同性质的四方连；横连，将几枚不同图案的邮票横在一起排印，有几枚邮票就叫横几连。如纪１０６《中华人民共和国成立十五周年》邮票是横三连，Ｔ２５《化学纤维》是横五连等；直连，将几枚不同图案的邮票直连在一起排印，有几枚邮票，就叫直几连。如Ｊ１２０《故宫博物院六十周年》邮票是直四连。这种邮票的优点是可以把几枚邮票的图案连在一起，成为一个整体，例如Ｊ１２０直四连。看上去，故宫建筑更加金碧辉煌，气势宏伟，加上排版印刷方法灵活多变，生动活泼，艺术性更强，所以特别受到群众欢迎。 6、无齿孔邮票（imperforated stamp）：指四周不打齿孔的邮票，世界上早期发行的邮票都没有齿孔。1854年发明打孔机后，各国才开始发行有齿孔邮票，但此后有时因不具备打孔条件，有的邮票也没有齿孔。此外，为了满足集邮者的需要，有些国家也特地发行一些无齿孔邮票，具有很高的收藏价值。新中国成立后，我国也发行了《梅兰芳舞台艺术》、《儿童生活》、《熊猫》、《金丝猴》、《桂花》等多种无齿票、无齿小型张。
4、小本票（stamps published in pamplet form）：为了便于携带，邮政部门将单一面值或多种面值的邮票印制成连票并装订成册，配有封底称为小本票。使用时按邮资撕下一枚或多枚即可。其上面邮票与原邮票的图案、面值、刷色均相同，只是由于装订、裁切的需要往往有一边、两边无齿孔或二、三边无齿。世界上发行小本票最早的国家是卢森堡，时间在1895年。中华邮政发行过小本票。新中国发行的第一个小本票是1980年6月1日发行的《童话-咕咚》。 5、连印票: 是将两枚或两枚以上不同图案的邮票连在一起印刷的邮票。连印票的形式多种多样，我国发行的连印票有：四方连，即将四枚不同图案的邮票组成四方形印在一起，如１９７９年９月１５日发行的"Ｊ４３" 《中华人民共和国第四届运动会》四方连邮票。对于从整张邮票上撕下图案相同的四枚邮票，习惯上也叫四方连，如猴票四方连。其实这是两种不同性质的四方连；横连，将几枚不同图案的邮票横在一起排印，有几枚邮票就叫横几连。如纪１０６《中华人民共和国成立十五周年》邮票是横三连，Ｔ２５《化学纤维》是横五连等；直连，将几枚不同图案的邮票直连在一起排印，有几枚邮票，就叫直几连。如Ｊ１２０《故宫博物院六十周年》邮票是直四连。这种邮票的优点是可以把几枚邮票的图案连在一起，成为一个整体，例如Ｊ１２０直四连。看上去，故宫建筑更加金碧辉煌，气势宏伟，加上排版印刷方法灵活多变，生动活泼，艺术性更强，所以特别受到群众欢迎。 6、无齿孔邮票（imperforated stamp）：指四周不打齿孔的邮票，世界上早期发行的邮票都没有齿孔。1854年发明打孔机后，各国才开始发行有齿孔邮票，但此后有时因不具备打孔条件，有的邮票也没有齿孔。此外，为了满足集邮者的需要，有些国家也特地发行一些无齿孔邮票，具有很高的收藏价值。新中国成立后，我国也发行了《梅兰芳舞台艺术》、《儿童生活》、《熊猫》、《金丝猴》、《桂花》等多种无齿票、无齿小型张。
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Original post: Enso
This, I feel, may also be relevant:
This, I feel, may also be relevant:
From http://www.flicks.com/~pcrowley/Runes/Describe.htmlHow can random selection of masked stones tell you anything about yourselve? Perhaps these Rune interpretations are simply so evocative that each contains some point which can be accepted as relevant to some part of what is happening at the limits of consciousness any day, any time, to anyone. That is the easiest possibility to accept from a strictly scientific standpoint. Nevertheless; my own play with these Runes has shown coincidence piled upon coincidence and an apparently consistent "appropriateness" in each Rune reading which is difficult to explain by the mechanism I have just described.
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Original post: Frater Do-It-Later Z=0+0
Whilst Blum may be a modern influence, any serious Runologist (IMHO) will read back to the Rune Poems, Havamal, the Runatal from the Edda's, research the relationships behind the translations of the runes and what those things meant to the Norse people at various points in their history and most importantly meditate on the meanings and get your own understanding.
As with anything around 2000 odd years old (going by academic estimates for the Elder Futhark) there will be multiple cultures having multiple interpretations of the runes through their own particular belief values.
As the Runes, like the I Ching and the Tarot, represent a progressive 'story' rather than a polarised either/or/neither/WTF of say Pendulum divination, I feel, they are more than suitable to give a wider reading without a specific question. Although as a caveat you might want to have, rather than a quetion, a radius of intent within which you want the answers to fall otherwise you might divine an event relating to which sandwich filling you partner chooses for your sandwiches the following day or something equally as useless (unless you figure out that's what the result meant and then make a bet with your partner winning some cash/favours/etc).
Whilst Blum may be a modern influence, any serious Runologist (IMHO) will read back to the Rune Poems, Havamal, the Runatal from the Edda's, research the relationships behind the translations of the runes and what those things meant to the Norse people at various points in their history and most importantly meditate on the meanings and get your own understanding.
As with anything around 2000 odd years old (going by academic estimates for the Elder Futhark) there will be multiple cultures having multiple interpretations of the runes through their own particular belief values.
As the Runes, like the I Ching and the Tarot, represent a progressive 'story' rather than a polarised either/or/neither/WTF of say Pendulum divination, I feel, they are more than suitable to give a wider reading without a specific question. Although as a caveat you might want to have, rather than a quetion, a radius of intent within which you want the answers to fall otherwise you might divine an event relating to which sandwich filling you partner chooses for your sandwiches the following day or something equally as useless (unless you figure out that's what the result meant and then make a bet with your partner winning some cash/favours/etc).
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Original post: Skeptismo118
Thorsson's works, particularly Runelore and A Runecaster's Handbook, are reliable. It is worth fleshing out your understanding by digging into his bibliographic material rather then just taking his presentation at face value. After a while it makes what insights he has to the material all the more valuable.
Azzerac;363875 wrote: I'm looking for something more reliable than a stoner's ideas on...well, "Stones".
Is that Ironic or what? ~LOL!~
Thorsson's works, particularly Runelore and A Runecaster's Handbook, are reliable. It is worth fleshing out your understanding by digging into his bibliographic material rather then just taking his presentation at face value. After a while it makes what insights he has to the material all the more valuable.
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Original post: ObscureThoughts
There's a newish book out, called Nordic Runes by Paul Rhys Mountfort. I've not read all of it, and I disagree with a couple of points here and there (but then, who would agree fully with any author?), but so far, it's not so bad. He lays it out well, good for an advanced person or a newbie. Plus, he actually lists a full set of rune poems that are translated. This is the first book (outside of looking at the Eddas themselves) that did more than mention them, or make up their own rediculous ones that made no sense, that I've found.
There's a newish book out, called Nordic Runes by Paul Rhys Mountfort. I've not read all of it, and I disagree with a couple of points here and there (but then, who would agree fully with any author?), but so far, it's not so bad. He lays it out well, good for an advanced person or a newbie. Plus, he actually lists a full set of rune poems that are translated. This is the first book (outside of looking at the Eddas themselves) that did more than mention them, or make up their own rediculous ones that made no sense, that I've found.
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Rune Casting
Original post: Rick
That's an interesting observation, as the rune poems in the Runatal, generally accepted by most to be referring to the 24 runes of the Elder (Germanic) Futhark, only number 18 (possibly due to literal gaps or holes in the surviving manuscripts). It's also interesting from the POV that I just counted (within my reach, there are more that my rune students scattered around the living room this past weekend) 18 books on the subject of runes, including my own, most of which are not recently published. Many, if not all, of them have extensive sections about the rune poems, and most cover all the major groups of rune poems (ie: Anglo-Saxon, Icelandic, etc). None of them have any rediculous, non-sensical made-up rune poems (although I did modernize the language of my translations just a tiny bit, to make them more palatable to the average modern-day reader, and I only cover the rune poems in the Runatal).ObscureThoughts;368711 wrote:There's a newish book out, called Nordic Runes by Paul Rhys Mountfort. I've not read all of it, and I disagree with a couple of points here and there (but then, who would agree fully with any author?), but so far, it's not so bad. He lays it out well, good for an advanced person or a newbie. Plus, he actually lists a full set of rune poems that are translated. This is the first book (outside of looking at the Eddas themselves) that did more than mention them, or make up their own rediculous ones that made no sense, that I've found.