I am tired of vampires.

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Original post: Hellen

i was speaking about the condition of the soul you said you didn't find literally in vampire myths

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Original post: shadow flame

[QUOTE=Venefica;359862]I have also heard this information it is held as fact among very many pepole practicing vampirism. Where it come from I do not know, but I do know it is rather commonly held ideas.[/QUOTE]
from "vampire codex". not such bad book, but it had some rather melodramatic parts :rolleyes:

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Original post: Venefica

It had its melodramatic parts. But it is not from that book that I am not finished reading I have the information, but from the community of vampirism practitioners. But they can have gotten it from that book for all I know.

Hellen the problem is not whatever or not there is such a thing as a vampire soul, there may be. But when Etu make the claim that that is the only true form of vampirism many, me included would like to know why he feel entitled to call his type among better more true than what other pepole do and he mentioned some old texts and it would be nice to know where in those texts the validation for his system is as I have not found it yet.

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Original post: Hellen

but , you know , no old texts or new texts can really validate the truth

what i see is many different truths claiming for the same 'name'

this name of vampire is exhausted today

if you understand and know what you are it doesnt matter how you are called , in ancient texts the name is not vampire anyway , so..is useless and childish

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Original post: Jenfucius

i was speaking about the condition of the soul you said you didn't find literally in vampire myths

I'm not totally sure I understand your question but I will give it a shot.

Let me reword my question slightly: Are their mythologies that are similar to our Western definition of a "psy vampire"?

First of all I cannot say fairies has a soul or even if faries exist as I have not witness any personally. If fairies soul is human or not I wouldnt know either.

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Original post: Venefica

The term vampire was coined in the 1800 or was it 1700. I can not remember so the name is not old, but the concept and the legends are. The case is this. I guess I could call myself a psychic vampire. I am not so sure I like the term but I could. But Etu then say what I practice is not true compared to what he practice, and that is a claim I say I will not believe until he back it up. He say he have backing in old texts, so I say show us where. We are not talking about the name, we are talking about the concept.

As for faeries, in most legends they do not have a soul. It is very well described in the faerie tale The Little Mermaid, no not the Disney version, but the original story. Where more than wanting the prince the mermaid wanted a human soul, she she had none. That human beings lived only a short time but when they died their souls went to an afterlife, while mermaids when they died only turned into foam on the ocean. This reflect most faerie legends, beautiful, powerful creatures, but not created whole, as they lack a soul.

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Original post: Nordgard Celas

[QUOTE=Ice Flower;357674]Yeah, I know, there are dozens of definitions of "vampire." (you know, one of the most annoying things about occultists is that we all have different meanings for the same words. UGH!) But I'm talking about energy vampirism mostly, and people who actually want to drink blood, and the people who want to actually BECOME vampires.

Vampires are elitist. They're better. Faster. Smarter. Definately cooler. And also *trumpets, please* more SELF AWARE than you. They know what's going on in the world. They know how to rise above and control the world. They live in the shadows, using people without anyone's knowledge. They work alone, on the fringes of society.

Now let's rejoin reality. What, are you cruising around on the edges of society, but being careful to be in bed by 11pm so you can get up for work in the morning? Probably, yeah! So get real and stop pretending that life is a friggin music video.

Also, some of us here in the real world have encountered those who really do need to steal energy from other people. And there's nothing spectacular or supernatural about it, either. A vampire is the obnoxious, sallow, whiny little drama queen who looks malnourished and can't pass you in the hallway without making you listen to a sad, sad, boring, sad story. A vampire is the needy, clingy dude you just can't get rid of, because he wants to be your friend and he needs someone to listen to how he's got it all figured out- and everything sucks. He's going to do you a favor and tell you why everything sucks.

We all know how vampires make us feel when we've been attacked and leeched off of. We feel gross. Irritated. Drained. There's a good reason why whiny people make you tired. They're sucking up your energy!

Vampires are not glamorous! Most of all, they are not cool, strong, independant people! They are clingy and whiny and dumb as a stone post!

The end.[/QUOTE]

hehehe
i love movies about vampires, and drink a bit blood also
but there is more than a hype around the fact of vampires!
i hate it.
do you know the series "Moonlight"?
after it has begun every stupid child called hisself in the chats like these maincharakter "Mick Saint-John"
i hate it!
*babbel*

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Original post: EtuMalku

Em hotep everyone,
First let me say that I am not a vampire nor practice anything vampiric.
I am an Asetianist, I study Asetianism.

Asetian Bible, Theosophy books, Hermetic Qabalah and Egyptian texts, not to mention M.W. Ford's books.

Vampire as condition of the soul is obviously found in the Asetian Bible,
The Egyptian Book of Nun (found in the Asetian Bible) describes the genesis of Aset and the first born primordial vampires.

Where as there exists nothing that I know in the Pyramid, Coffin Texts or Book of the Dead that comes out straightforward and says that vampirism is a condition of the soul, there are many sections that explain what is going on here.

I am the redness that came forth from Aset
I am the blood that issued from Nebt-Het
I am firmly bound up at the waist, and there is nothing which the Gods can do for me.
For I am the representative of Ra, and I will not die
- Pyramid Texts

I have been given eternity without limit
Behold, I am the heir of Eternity
to whom have been given everlastingness
- Egyptian Book of the Dead

These two examples are talking about the children of Aset, Horus and his two siblings, the first vampires created. They describe a soul that is immortal and that depends on the Ka (life-force) found in blood

Most Theosophy books will touch on the subject of a soul that is vampiric and quite different than a human soul.
The Qabalah & Judaic Kabbalah also talks in depth of Qliphothic souls of the vampire that are disconnected from the Universal energy Source and dependent upon Life-force

Michael Ford had devoted entire books to this vampiric soul and its nature

I am not saying that what I call True Vampires are any better or worse than other 'vampiric' beings. I am saying that there are people who practice vampirism and still others that can manipulate energy easily, but I do not consider them True Vampires, for they still have human souls and they still replenish their own life-force.

I hope this helps and I am sure it had raised even more questions

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Original post: Venefica

I am the redness that came forth from Aset
I am the blood that issued from Nebt-Het
I am firmly bound up at the waist, and there is nothing which the Gods can do for me.
For I am the representative of Ra, and I will not die
- Pyramid Texts

I can not say I interpret this text as having anything to do with vampires. It seam to me to be a standard old Egyptian paragraph about eternal life, there is allot of them. But immortality do not mean vampirism.

I have been given eternity without limit
Behold, I am the heir of Eternity
to whom have been given everlastingness
- Egyptian Book of the Dead

Again, eternal life, and vampirism is not the same thing. The old Egyptians was heavy into studies about the afterlife and also eternal physical life. And that is what I see in these texts, the soul being eternal, well part of the soul as to the old Egyptians the soul was like a jigsaw puzzle, but yes the dead Pharaoh, that was seen as an earthly representation of Horus taking his place among the Gods.

I do not think of Horus as a Vampire, he is a God, the child of promise born to restore balance when Seth dethrones Osiris. He is the Egyptian child of promise just like Jesus is the child of promise for the Christian faith. What documents actually written by those that followed ancient Egyptian religion give any proof that Horus is a vampire like being?

Ka means Spiritual force, it can be seen as to mean life force, but more often it is seen as a part of the Soul. It would be about like the crown Chakra, the part of the of the Soul responsible for communicating with the Divine.

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Original post: EtuMalku

Ka is the vital energy that the Ba uses.
I am aware of how many perceive Egyptian Spirituality, I am speaking directly as an Asetianist.
Horus being a child of Goddess Aset, had an immortal soul, human souls are not immortal.
In order to be manifest on this Physical Plane the highly developed energy metabolism of Horus demanded a higher level of energy to maintain its internal balance while incarnated and to fuel his energy abilities and powers.
This is what is meant by True Vampire, there system cannot be kept stable and sane under the regular universal energy cycle alone.

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Original post: Hellen

insisting on feeding comes to a concept with lack of consistency
the same as the legends see only the deeds and just guess what the beings are

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Original post: Venefica

Actually Ka is part of the soul. The human Soul is made up of five parts in the old Egyptian religion.

Ib or the heart. The old Egyptians believed this was the key to the afterlife. As they believed the heart and not the bran held emotions and memories of deeds.

Sheut the Shadow, the dark aspect of every person.

Ba the individual personality, the part of the Soul that lived on in the afterlife.

Ren a person's name, believed to be a part of life. As long as the name was remembered this part of the soul would live.

Akh a contested one, some believe it was seen as we might see a ghost. And after image lingering after the Ba had gone on to the afterlife, some believe that Ba and Ka became Akh in the afterlife and that is is what lived on. No on really can agree.

Ka the spark of life. It is life force yes, but it is also so much more. It is more like what we would call Spirit in most Western religions. Or to put it that way, it is a part of the Soul and not just an Energy like for example Chi is. To not have a Ka would mean not not have a soul at all.

I have all possible respect for your tradition, but it is not Ancient Egyptian religion, it is a religion created based on Ancient Egyptian mythology. To say that Asetianist philosophy is practicing Ancient Egyptian religion is the same as to say Wiccans practice Ancient Roman religion. I know you guys claim many thousands of years of linage, so do the Wiccans and neither can substantiate the claim.

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Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Venefica;360173]Actually Ka is part of the soul. The human Soul is made up of five parts in the old Egyptian religion.

Ib or the heart. The old Egyptians believed this was the key to the afterlife. As they believed the heart and not the bran held emotions and memories of deeds.

Sheut the Shadow, the dark aspect of every person.

Ba the individual personality, the part of the Soul that lived on in the afterlife.

Ren a person's name, believed to be a part of life. As long as the name was remembered this part of the soul would live.

Akh a contested one, some believe it was seen as we might see a ghost. And after image lingering after the Ba had gone on to the afterlife, some believe that Ba and Ka became Akh in the afterlife and that is is what lived on. No on really can agree.

Ka the spark of life. It is life force yes, but it is also so much more. It is more like what we would call Spirit in most Western religions. Or to put it that way, it is a part of the Soul and not just an Energy like for example Chi is. To not have a Ka would mean not not have a soul at all.

I have all possible respect for your tradition, but it is not Ancient Egyptian religion, it is a religion created based on Ancient Egyptian mythology. To say that Asetianist philosophy is practicing Ancient Egyptian religion is the same as to say Wiccans practice Ancient Roman religion. I know you guys claim many thousands of years of linage, so do the Wiccans and neither can substantiate the claim.[/QUOTE]
The text within the Book of Nun is part of the Asetian Sacred theology and refers to ts currently accepted cosmogony.
Even though this text is mainly Kemetic in its nature, it does not reflect all the aspects and synchronism's of the Ancient Egyptian religion, that besides its complexity, symbolic nature and profound philosophical dogma, was a religion of the common people, that was eventually changed over the millennium by man, resulting in the modernly accepted Egyptian mythology, that although highly connected and entwined with the Asetian tradition, does not preserve its purity in essence and content.

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Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Venefica;360173]Actually Ka is part of the soul. The human Soul is made up of five parts in the old Egyptian religion.

Ib or the heart. The old Egyptians believed this was the key to the afterlife. As they believed the heart and not the bran held emotions and memories of deeds.

Sheut the Shadow, the dark aspect of every person.

Ba the individual personality, the part of the Soul that lived on in the afterlife.

Ren a person's name, believed to be a part of life. As long as the name was remembered this part of the soul would live.

Akh a contested one, some believe it was seen as we might see a ghost. And after image lingering after the Ba had gone on to the afterlife, some believe that Ba and Ka became Akh in the afterlife and that is is what lived on. No on really can agree.

Ka the spark of life. It is life force yes, but it is also so much more. It is more like what we would call Spirit in most Western religions. Or to put it that way, it is a part of the Soul and not just an Energy like for example Chi is. To not have a Ka would mean not not have a soul at all.

I have all possible respect for your tradition, but it is not Ancient Egyptian religion, it is a religion created based on Ancient Egyptian mythology. To say that Asetianist philosophy is practicing Ancient Egyptian religion is the same as to say Wiccans practice Ancient Roman religion. I know you guys claim many thousands of years of linage, so do the Wiccans and neither can substantiate the claim.[/QUOTE]
The text within the Book of Nun is part of the Asetian Sacred theology and refers to ts currently accepted cosmogony.
Even though this text is mainly Kemetic in its nature, it does not reflect all the aspects and synchronism's of the Ancient Egyptian religion, that besides its complexity, symbolic nature and profound philosophical dogma, was a religion of the common people, that was eventually changed over the millennium by man, resulting in the modernly accepted Egyptian mythology, that although highly connected and entwined with the Asetian tradition, does not preserve its purity in essence and content.
- from The Asetian Bible

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Original post: Venefica

The problem is that I can not see proof to substantiate what you say in the two texts you have shown me. And if a modern book like the Asetian Bible claim so old an heritage, that do not substantiate anything as it is common for new occult groups to claim roots or even an unbroken line back to some ancient tradition quite often ancient Egypt and few can show any historical proof of the claim. You have to give me proof outside of the Asetian Bible or that can be backed up by other sources for me to accept the age of your tradition or their opinion on vampirism.

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Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=Venefica;360180]The problem is that I can not see proof to substantiate what you say in the two texts you have shown me. And if a modern book like the Asetian Bible claim so old an heritage, that do not substantiate anything as it is common for new occult groups to claim roots or even an unbroken line back to some ancient tradition quite often ancient Egypt and few can show any historical proof of the claim. You have to give me proof outside of the Asetian Bible or that can be backed up by other sources for me to accept the age of your tradition or their opinion on vampirism.[/QUOTE]
As you are aware of I'm sure, the deciphering of any Egyptian hieroglyph has something to do with the translator. The texts you find comfort in have been translated by E.A. Wallis Budge I believe and therefore represent his translations?
The Asetian Bible represents translations from actual walls and ceilings of Kemetic temples in Thebes, Luxor & Karnak, the Horus Temple in Edfu and remarkable Deir-el-Bahari, not too mention the King's Chamber in Khufu and Khafre pyramids.
Also, I might point out that the Asetian Bible is only a part of the secret texts that the Aset Ka have and has been made public.

I do respect your stance on this and I am in no way trying to convince you of the authenticity behind the Asetians.

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Original post: Venefica

As you are aware of I'm sure, the deciphering of any Egyptian hieroglyph has something to do with the translator. The texts you find comfort in have been translated by E.A. Wallis Budge I believe and therefore represent his translations?

I am more a fan of Karl Richard Lepsius and Raymond Faulkner, Budge can be a bit to Christian in his translations. I try to see the texts translated by several pepole to get a more balanced view, instead of adhering to one translator alone.

I do respect your stance on this and I am in no way trying to convince you of the authenticity behind the Asetians.

I am not questioning that your tradition is an authentic one, nor it's value. I only question the claim as to it's age. I have been a Wiccan for example, and it is a good religion but I do question the claim of it being millennial old. But I am not trying to insult your religion or say that it is not meaningful, not in any way. And I respect that you believe what you do.

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Original post: EtuMalku

No problem, it is a pleasure discussing this with you.
I guess until something is shown to verify the age, I am just going with the concept of them being Spiritual Bloodlines to Aset and Aset being one of Goddess' from the Sep Tepy, that would make them certainly old.

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Original post: AstralMagickCraft

There are other ways to get energy from people, trust me I know.

For example you could develop the habit of saying alot of intelligent things on webboards and "feed" on the energy people give when they read your posts.

...then develop the habit and never leave the forums once you don't need it anymore :whistle:

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Original post: EtuMalku

[QUOTE=AstralMagickCraft;360297]There are other ways to get energy from people, trust me I know.

For example you could develop the habit of saying alot of intelligent things on webboards and "feed" on the energy people give when they read your posts.

...then develop the habit and never leave the forums once you don't need it anymore :whistle:[/QUOTE]

Interesting theory :evil:

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Original post: Venefica

Aset or Isis is the granddaughter of the two originally created Gods in Egyptian mythology if I do not remember the family three of the Egyptian Gods wrong. First one had the Creator God and there are some variation in who that is. Then he created a son and a daughter, they gave birth to the Sky and the Earth and they in turn became Mother and Father to several of the more well known Gods, including Isis.

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Original post: EtuMalku

The primordial entity, born from the waters of Nun which resided in the Duat, is Amon. Amon would split in two forming the masculine and feminine principles / yin - yang.
Male energy is Shu, the female Tefnut
From them were born Nut, the sky & Geb, the earth
From them were born Aset, Osiris, Nephthys & Seth.

Horus and his two siblings would be the first 'demigods' sort of speak. Although divine in essence and bearers of an immortal soul, Her children were connected to the cycles of reincarnation.
Having a different soul and essence from all the other incarnated beings . . . an undeniable need of vital force empowerment, to sustain their high-demanding divine energy systems while incarnated in a physical shell and to fuel their developed magickal abilities and powers . . . this was the creation of the Primordial Vampires.

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Original post: Venefica

Kheper is also one of the Creator Gods in Egyptian mythology, as are Aten, remember the Egyptian religion changed over several thousand years and was not always just the same.

Most creation myths from Egypt have the Creator God rising from the waters of nothingness and then creating the male and female principle. But exactly how this happens vary, and I have never before heard a legend that say the Creator God split, only that It created male and female offspring in some way.

Also why would Horus be a Demigod. Both his parents are full fledged Gods. In most mythologies a Demigod is the offspring of a human and a God, like Hercules or even Jesus. Children of two Gods tend to be Gods themself.

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Original post: hunterwitch_bloodpact

ummm this is a lil off topic

but ummm how did everyone go from talking about vamps to belief structures and there higher beings lol

XD

just thought id ask lol

XD

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Original post: EtuMalku

Hunterwitch . . . you could always read through the thread for those answers.

Venefica: The Gods before Horus did not incarnate into physical beings, Horus and his siblings did and in order to remain Physically Incarnated required more life-force than usual, thus the deficiency and thus the need to feed.
Other vampiric entities were later created through out time, but for me this is the primordial creation of the earth's vampire.