Consciousness in dreams - what not to do?

Keldrean · Post by **Keldrean** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:56 pm

When you can do anything, is there something you shouldn't do? I find certain things, like abusing power, throws you from dreamstate. In a dream I can fly near the speed of light, time travel, teleport - all the while. But try to find a girl to love and wake; Want to steal, you cant. Go to hit someone and your body slows.

The dream is teaching me to use my powers for good.? Maybe I have not the capacity for evil. Perhaps the subconsciousness feeds off the emotion/energy we get when we use powers.
Don Juan told Carlos that deamons could come into our dreams, but then what? Fight the entities the same way I have fought dinosaurs, killers, monsters. what are these powers for if its all in your head.
What happens to the girl you saved from being kidnapped, now stuck in the 1700's?

-Keld Ra

Nahemah · Post by **Nahemah** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:39 pm

" Go to hit someone and your body slows."

That is common in lucid dream states,it seems to be a stage of development, a key if you will. Ever thought that you can't fight at these times because it's not how you should resolve the scenario? Do you find you slow down and can't 'land' a blow with any force? Think of it like a platform game for a moment: the dream state as a fool's/hero's journey through your own unconscious: like the 'hero' character in a game.I don't play so am a bit lost for explaining this further but it seems like a useful comparison. Make sense?Is there anything around you of significance, at these times, any symbols or items, stuff like that.

Do you keep records of your dreams and travels? This can be very helpful.Sometimes we fight our mind monsters best by thinking instead of moving. My personal view is this is what they are,vis a vis Physician heal thyself: before you can heal another, you must first heal yourself.A Shamanic life journey is another way to put it. So this is a journey of magickal development and integration, individual mileage will vary, but the themes are common. When you complete this journey other worlds open up to you. You grow.

I recommend reading Man and his Symbols, by Carl Jung, among your research.I don't know much about Castaneda, so can't comment on that.

"what are these powers for if its all in your head.
What happens to the girl you saved from being kidnapped, now stuck in the 1700's?"

I go with Jungian models and see the lucidity of the dream state as a way to develop your psyche and mind: magickal and mystical development, but manifesting causally over time. Individuation, if you will. If I can't rescue the girl [or guy] then I must go train more, learn more, as this part of my personality is not integrating yet .I must come back stronger later. I will "save the World, get the girl"but not tonight, alas.I would read up on the period,1700's, if I was you, perhaps your conscious mind will take something over from it to help you there next time.

My demon slaying in the dream state is my internal battle and my heroic journey through myself and any interaction with Archetypes is geared towards my own individuation: they are me and I am they.

This is only my interpretation and I'm no expert in anything, this is just my take on it. I hope some of it is of use.

Shaam · Post by **Shaam** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:09 pm

My demon slaying in the dream state is my internal battle and my heroic journey through myself and any interaction with Archetypes is geared towards my own individuation:they are me and I am they.

Good explanation.

Keldrean, Sometimes you have to go thru the same or similiar dream several times before picking up on the message meant for you. Each time is a period of growth, since each time you learn something about yourself (you may have known), but didn't put a lot of emphasis on. So, nothing is in vain...there is a purpose behind it all.

Keldrean · Post by **Keldrean** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:06 am

Nahema, I thank you for your help, and I plan on reading "Man and his symbols", I have heard of Carl Jung but never read him. And I feel exceited about reading up on the 1700's, something could flash.
Something about keeping a dream journal is hard for me, I can remember all my great dreams quite well, I have sort of a photographic memory, so things remind me of dreams I had, like real experiences. I actually am thinking about cataloging my dreams in a comic book; because every dream, for almost 2 years now, have been me with powers, flying, time traveling, teleporting, once I had inherited a warehouse with a sort of storage facility for dangerous paranormal creatures. I had a memory in the dream that I traveled to different dimensions.

and to Shaam, I can remember going to the same place in different dreams, but each time something new happend, I think you could be on to something about learning about myself, and the personal drowth than comes with that.

-Keld Ra

Kath · Post by **Kath** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:07 pm

I dunno, I don't suffer from these restrictions in dreams. I tend to find dreams to be a bit more of a power trip honestly. When 'lucidly' dreaming, I can do pretty much anything. Nothing really seems to prevent me from wielding or even abusing power in a dream. As a result I have had a few dreams which were somewhat disturbing in content, partly because the lucid dreamer is on some level aware of the nonreality of it all, and so may act without fear of consequence, which can shed light on some fairly dark tidbits of the inner psyche.

I understand what you mean by having 'triggers' though, which for you seem to limit your behavior. For me 'fear' is a trigger. If in a dream I experience fear, it triggers me into a lucid dreaming state. For example, if I'm dreaming a nice happy dream having a picnic in a sunny meadow... but then suddenly, ZoMbIeS attack! well that would, at least partially, push me towards lucidity. So instead of being a nightmare, it becomes more of an 'action movie'. Because I had an uzi in my picnic basket all along

Because of having dreams go this way, and just inventing ways to overcome threats, my ex used to tease me that I was the Kate Bond of my dreamworld.

Also, if I start to get the impression that there is a 'daemon' in my dream, or any actual entity independent of my own consciousness (ie- any 'dreamwalking' sentience which is in my dream). Then realizing this tends to snap me into full lucidity in the dream right away. Possibly along with some hostility if the dream was not pleasant.

The only trigger I have which causes me to wake up is "imminent doom". If I've had a nightmare of sorts, and I find myself cornered by the big bad, and about to be devoured (in spite of having an uzi, and other dashing maneuvers)... Then I'll either just cheat, enter god-mode, and easily overpower the monster... OR, just deliberately wake up and exit the dream. Sort of a "screw you guys, I'm going home" in the words of eric cartman. one friend likened it to a dreamland 'ejection seat'.

anyways,

Keldrean · Post by **Keldrean** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:37 pm

Kath wrote:The only trigger I have which causes me to wake up is "imminent doom". If I've had a nightmare of sorts, and I find myself cornered by the big bad, and about to be devoured (in spite of having an uzi, and other dashing maneuvers)... Then I'll either just cheat, enter god-mode, and easily overpower the monster... OR, just deliberately wake up and exit the dream. Sort of a "screw you guys, I'm going home" in the words of eric cartman. one friend likened it to a dreamland 'ejection seat'.

anyways,

only some dreams have restrictions, that in turn, only lead to more interesting powers.

and i do agree, if a dream turns into a nightmare, the most immediate reaction is cheating and going bodhivista on their ass, growing 72 times larger as you fly accross the desert. well, i only got that big once.

Keld Ra

awriterscorned · Post by **awriterscorned** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:25 pm

I know you CAN hit or steal or abuse or rape in the dream sphere, but I think the main detail is a.) it's a horrible thing to do and you shouldn't (assuming the dream-people are real in any way) and b.) you can't do in the astral/dreamwalking realm what you wouldn't do in reality.

kiren · Post by **kiren** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:19 am

"b.) you ---->can't<---- do in the astral/dreamwalking realm what you wouldn't do in reality."

can't?
CAN'T?!?!
CAN'T?????????????

i don't like that word.

xcb · Post by **xcb** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:24 am

I don't understand why people feel so compelled to do awful shit just because they're able to. I think it's part of the moral relativism hangover, and it needs to be flushed away like so much excrement.

Shaam · Post by **Shaam** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:43 pm

Just as in real life where your intuition makes you take instant notice of something....fear, danger...etc...., the same can occur in dreamstate as well. That's a trigger that makes you remember your dreams as well, as possibly kicking in lucidity.

Sometimes, you may think it is a lucid dream, when actually, it is just an extremely vivid attention getting dream, tho....I always feel lucid in that type of dream...even if I am just in observation mode.

Journeying or AP aren't always dreams....mine aren't anyway, so I have trouble believing many folks when they say they had a lucid dream...on the astral plane and had a battle with punks or kicked a lot of vampire ass. That kind of stuff sounds to RPG for me...lol.

Jastiv · Post by **Jastiv** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:59 am

I notice that if something is going wrong in my waking life, I tend to have awful dreams.

The part that is bad about them isn't so much the content, but the emotions I feel, like depression, fear anger etc when I wake up.

But for the most part I have good lucid dreams.