Instant Proof of Magic

DazedAndConfused · Post by **DazedAndConfused** » Sun May 16, 2010 1:34 am

Is there something I can do or say, or mentally project, that can give me an instant result? I want magic. I want to do it all. But I need to see or feel something real, or have some crazy revelation before I can just jump headlong into something that may not be real. It seems foolish to me to just believe magic is real and that I can manipulate my reality, but on the other hand I want so very bad for it all to really be real. Can someone give me something fast and easy that would spark my beginning? Please...
P.S.
If anyone finds this offensive I sincerely apologize.

Gandridur · Post by **Gandridur** » Mon May 17, 2010 5:50 pm

The answer is no. There's nothing wrong being sceptical. On the contrary. But there's no instant ritual you can perform and get the result you want and being able to see or feel or both. If you perform a ritual, you will probably succed. But you wont be able to see or feel it. Now for every magician there will occasions when powerful results in seeing, feeling and knowing things happen. That happen because your subconcious show you what you can achive eventually if you keep on practicing. That doesn't only happen to a neophyte. But when that happens to you, no one can tell for sure. Some of those things you will experience might take a few years to achive and som may take years to master. But eventually it will happen. But to be able to do that more and eventually everytime(with more or less powerfull results) you need to practice alot. The astral senses are the first one start to develop. To open the third eye fully takes years to a life. But you will see more and more as you progress. The only thing that can speed up for you to get convincing results is to practice alot.

Oh no one find this question offensive. It's a typical new beginner question. I have heard it many times and I'm not the only one. If you have never experienced any occult it's only normal to ask this question. I had alot of occult experiences before I started and some took years to understand and experience again. So there's no need to apologize for a serious question.

the Kite · Post by **the Kite** » Mon May 17, 2010 8:35 pm

I second that. Just get on with it and let things unfold, learn skills by trial and error and have your eyes opened by what comes of your practice. It's not a matter of faith, of 'believing' in some improbable nonsense, it's a matter of participating. Trying to explain how is a little like trying to explain the glories of sex to a virgin. (coff) Sorry. Not going to put you off, is it?

Resh · Post by **Resh** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:13 pm

Always wanted to ask this, is Remote Viewing an OK form of Divination, and thus, a valid form of magic(k)?

Because if yes, then RV you can learn fairly quickly and try for yourself, with pretty good results. That should show you that yes, your mind/brain/body is capable of doing things that are unexplainable by normal science, and you can take it from there and study other things with a more open mind.

Would this be proof enough for ya ? If so, let me know so I can gather the needed links. Peace.

thief_and_a_liar · Post by **thief_and_a_liar** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:47 am

DazedAndConfused wrote:Is there something I can do or say, or mentally project, that can give me an instant result? I want magic. I want to do it all. But I need to see or feel something real, or have some crazy revelation before I can just jump headlong into something that may not be real. It seems foolish to me to just believe magic is real and that I can manipulate my reality, but on the other hand I want so very bad for it all to really be real. Can someone give me something fast and easy that would spark my beginning? Please...
P.S.
If anyone finds this offensive I sincerely apologize.

The spirits that I have found easiest to work with and that usually give fast results is the demons from the Goetia. I have also created a simple ritual for beginners so they can too observe how fast and easy results can be made in magic.

1. Get the Lesser Key of Solomon the King: The Goetia.
2. Read the descriptions to find a demon of choice.
3. Steal a seven-day candle from a nearby graveyard.
4. Write the sigil of demon several times, before you write it big on a large piece of paper.
5. Write around the sigil your desire and go into a meditative state of mind [relax for a while, slow thoughts] and then stare blankly at the sigil, with the intent of establishing contact with the demon.
6. Light the candle, and let it burn down.

Here you go. You can for instance look for a demon that finds treasure, and ask it for money. Observe for the next day how you may meet new people with business opportunities. Look up the word "synchronicity" too.

-thief

ilyasviel · Post by **ilyasviel** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:56 pm

Is it wise to evoke/invoke a demon from goetia.
I've read some facts about it and most of the stuff
and they say it is very hard and probably takes
a lot of time to successfully establish a communication.

and is it not wise for beginners to start invoking.
if yes, are there any other spirits that are more easier
to establish communication and are safe even
for beginners.

Sorry for the off topic...
this thread has really piqued my interest.

Gandridur · Post by **Gandridur** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:19 pm

ilyasviel wrote:Is it wise to evoke/invoke a demon from goetia.
I've read some facts about it and most of the stuff
and they say it is very hard and probably takes
a lot of time to successfully establish a communication.

and is it not wise for beginners to start invoking.
if yes, are there any other spirits that are more easier
to establish communication and are safe even
for beginners.

Sorry for the off topic...
this thread has really piqued my interest.

You can check out my post about evocation here if you haven't read it: http://www.occultforum.org/forum/topic?id=29927

But to answer your question, there's no general answer to what spirit is easier. It all depends on what path you are treading. A beginner should start with invokations first. Before you can do that good enough, wait with evocation because it is more difficult. Some magicians say that evocations is more powerful than invocations. That is not true. Most will find that a evocations is more powerful in the beginning to intermediary but let me asure I have been practing magic for many years and eventually a invocation will become as powerful as evocation. I remember that Peter Caroll said the same and it is true. The longer one has practiced magic, the difference between a invocation and evocation will blur out and almost feel like no difference. The only difference will be the rituals in them self. You have to remember what too many magicians seem to forget: evocation is not only calling on a spirit, demon, angel or whatever you choose to call them. There's so much more to evocation than that. If you use a symbol e.g. a rune to open your self to its power, it is a kind of evocation. Now many have reduced runes to be nothing more but simple divination tools. Nothing could be further from the truth. And divination has a deeper root to in it what most people today call divination. Runes are a map of the universe and all its powers. Nothing is exluced. Only writers has choosed to exclude. That says everything about them self and nothing of the universe and all its powers.