Concerning the call and banishment of elementals and entities of the l
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Concerning the call and banishment of elementals and entities of the l
I was ever so curious as to why it is that people utilize their dominant hand to call forward these spirits. The right side of man being masculine and laying more among the lines of projection instead of the receptive feminine left hand. Would it not make more sense to draw the invoking pentagrams with the left hand and the banishing with ones right hand? Though one could argue that the projective side of an individual is entirely dependent upon which side is dominant, wouldn’t that mean it really shouldn’t matter which hand one uses to call forward and to banish. Your responses will be much appreciated, though only personal experimentation shall be the deciding factor as to which is the more proper method.
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the use of certain hand gestures to summon or engrave symbols in the air has nothing to do with one side being dominant or not,
the male side is the left one, and the female side is the right one,
fingers are also divided,
the forefinger and the middle finger in a side are of the opposite side,
for example, in your right hand the forefinger and middle finger are called electric or masculine, while the other fingers are magnetic or feminine,
you cast symbols in the air with your masculine fingers, so you use your right hand, and the forefinger and middle finger,
the gesture is one that is used in the LBRP, and many other rituals, like the Qabalistic Cross ritual.
the use of such hand gesture has no relation to whether this is the dominant hand or not,
you usually use your right hand to draw sigils of spirits and a circle around yourself,
this gesture is usually not used when there is a, for example, a wand or another device to take your energy and channel it correctly, if you do not utilize such tools then be very careful while working,
also i would like to add that it is VERY important to have astral sight before summoning spirits, because otherwise it is like standing naked in a neighborhood and being blind, then yelling at the top of your voice calling a gang boss a silly face...
the male side is the left one, and the female side is the right one,
fingers are also divided,
the forefinger and the middle finger in a side are of the opposite side,
for example, in your right hand the forefinger and middle finger are called electric or masculine, while the other fingers are magnetic or feminine,
you cast symbols in the air with your masculine fingers, so you use your right hand, and the forefinger and middle finger,
the gesture is one that is used in the LBRP, and many other rituals, like the Qabalistic Cross ritual.
the use of such hand gesture has no relation to whether this is the dominant hand or not,
you usually use your right hand to draw sigils of spirits and a circle around yourself,
this gesture is usually not used when there is a, for example, a wand or another device to take your energy and channel it correctly, if you do not utilize such tools then be very careful while working,
also i would like to add that it is VERY important to have astral sight before summoning spirits, because otherwise it is like standing naked in a neighborhood and being blind, then yelling at the top of your voice calling a gang boss a silly face...
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Concerning the call and banishment of elementals and entities of the l
I am left handed and female,I 'm also not a ceremonialist.So..? However I use my left hand to incribe certain seals/sigils and have found it does not limit me in any way whatsoever.Just saying.
In psychometric 'brain dominance' tests I 've taken, I score as equi-dominant,hemisperically.[This is something you can train yourself into,by the way.]
There are a lot of old prejudices about left handedness that do not hold true.Perhaps the distinction in hand gestures used traditionally,could use some updating,in line with modern understanding and research?
In psychometric 'brain dominance' tests I 've taken, I score as equi-dominant,hemisperically.[This is something you can train yourself into,by the way.]
There are a lot of old prejudices about left handedness that do not hold true.Perhaps the distinction in hand gestures used traditionally,could use some updating,in line with modern understanding and research?
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Concerning the call and banishment of elementals and entities of the l
The traditional gestures are not based on mere arbitrary traditional knowledge,
No it is based on the distribution of psychic centers and how the energy flows in our body, be it male or female.
Now, i used the term male and female, not to distinguish uses for specific genders, but to refer to energies known as male and female to Ceremonialists.
We call the magnetic energy feminine, and the electric energy masculine, those are the two types of energy in the Etheric Medium of the Human Etheric Body.
It will be absurd to say that females have only magnetic (female) or that males have only electric (male) energy, no both genders have both types of energies.
They flow like rivers through the body and pour out of the extremities, that is why you either use a tool like wands and swords where you consciously channel the energy from your body to the tool, or else; produce the energy from your fingertips and extremities.
Also in our tradition, the polarities change, what is feminine on a level will be masculine on another level.
It is all terminology, the gender of the invoker does not matter at the least in the case mentioned above.
For more sex oriented magic, you can refer to yoga and tantra and other energy work.
As for the reason of the sexual attribution to these energies, it is related in someway to the kabbalistic traditional distribution of sexual attributions along the diagram known as the Tree of Life, here is a picture;
[img width=250px height=250px]http://emeagwali.com/speeches/immortali ... f-Life.jpg[/img]
The left pillar is called the pillar of severity and receives the femal attribute,
Now when we use the tree of life to explain the psychic centers we flip it around,
That is, we back into the diagram, so the right arm is the collocate of the left pillar and so is with the left arm, which gets to be the collocate of the right pillar.
So whether you are male or female the right hand is the feminine one and the left is the masculine one. and since we have the middle and fore fingers as an opposite in sexual attribution and energy attributions then they are masculine,
Which is the reason i said the casting is to be by the masculine side,
This however does not deny that the dominant part of your body alters your magnetism,
Right handed people have the right side, active-electric and the left side, passive-magnetic.
Left handed people have the opposite of the aforementioned attributes.
No it is based on the distribution of psychic centers and how the energy flows in our body, be it male or female.
Now, i used the term male and female, not to distinguish uses for specific genders, but to refer to energies known as male and female to Ceremonialists.
We call the magnetic energy feminine, and the electric energy masculine, those are the two types of energy in the Etheric Medium of the Human Etheric Body.
It will be absurd to say that females have only magnetic (female) or that males have only electric (male) energy, no both genders have both types of energies.
They flow like rivers through the body and pour out of the extremities, that is why you either use a tool like wands and swords where you consciously channel the energy from your body to the tool, or else; produce the energy from your fingertips and extremities.
Also in our tradition, the polarities change, what is feminine on a level will be masculine on another level.
It is all terminology, the gender of the invoker does not matter at the least in the case mentioned above.
For more sex oriented magic, you can refer to yoga and tantra and other energy work.
As for the reason of the sexual attribution to these energies, it is related in someway to the kabbalistic traditional distribution of sexual attributions along the diagram known as the Tree of Life, here is a picture;
[img width=250px height=250px]http://emeagwali.com/speeches/immortali ... f-Life.jpg[/img]
The left pillar is called the pillar of severity and receives the femal attribute,
Now when we use the tree of life to explain the psychic centers we flip it around,
That is, we back into the diagram, so the right arm is the collocate of the left pillar and so is with the left arm, which gets to be the collocate of the right pillar.
So whether you are male or female the right hand is the feminine one and the left is the masculine one. and since we have the middle and fore fingers as an opposite in sexual attribution and energy attributions then they are masculine,
Which is the reason i said the casting is to be by the masculine side,
This however does not deny that the dominant part of your body alters your magnetism,
Right handed people have the right side, active-electric and the left side, passive-magnetic.
Left handed people have the opposite of the aforementioned attributes.
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Concerning the call and banishment of elementals and entities of the l
thanks for the informative post Salivanereni.I didn't know any of this and it is most intriguing and interesting for me.I may have some questions for you later,if you don't mind.
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As you wish, I will of course answer as best as I can, and, I hope, would provide links to documents once I upload my library, so I can give books to elaborate on what I can't.
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The information you posted seems as though its straight from Bardon, are their any other occult authors that you know of who cover the electric and magnetic qualities of the human anatomy? What came to mind readily are the teachings of the Yellow School of thought. Yin and Yang they call it, or the Prana and Apana of the yogics. Setting aside Bardon’s training plan, I have yet to discover another “westernâ€
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It comes partially from Bardon,
However, the West does have a similar approach to such matters, it would be foolish to expect that such an important topic be left out by the West while the East does cover it,
It similar of comparing cars that do not come from one origin and suppose that since one is from the East then it must have side mirrors while the Western one should not,
The approach of the west, or at least the Qabalah, is that every sphere on the Tree of Life is alloted to a certain body part,
For example, Yesod is alloted to the genitals, Kether is to the skull,
What easterners call "Chakras" westerners call "Psychic Centers", even if some use the oriental name "Chakra",
Further more the West, as much as the East did, have alloted diseases to the spheres (that both represent macro and micro cosmic "Chakras", to use the eastern language),
Yesod for example has Impotence assigned to it, an illness fairy common as having the genitals a victim,
On the Tree of Life you will find the three pillars, each pillar does have an element alloted to it by virtue of the head spheres, which are Binah, and is the feminine sphere and has the element of water and the masculine Chokmah which has the element of fire as an attribute,
Now as you probably know, since you are ready to recognize certain information as being from this or that, the West holds that the beginning of everything is from nothing in which everything is a mere potential,
As so, Kether then, gave forth water and fire, those were the archetypal parents,
Air came from water and fire combined and earth came from air and fire and water combined,
We then, logically have two types of energy, fire and water or, to use bardon's terminology, electric and magnetic, and all else are mixes with varied quantities from both.
Here is an origin of the thought of archetypal pair of energies,
The problem is that the West is subtle, and you will need some work to figure out the basics that are covered by more grander things and more complex formulas,
This is where Mr. Bardon, I believe, took his words from,
A tradition, not a mere writing from books,
And as for the question about why we back into the tree,
Now you see the tree in front of you, and it is a diagram, not a mirror (a hundred lines under this), representing your body, do you expect that the left of the painting to be your left?
I think not, so it follows that your left is facing your right as you are looking at the diagram, so if you want to set things to rights, you would back into the diagram,
Now it is traditional to have the tree facing you, or rather the human represented by the tree is looking at you.
Also if you look for other sources from rituals that operate on the Psychic Centers of the body then you can view the Middle Pillar ritual or its advanced kin,
Now as for the introduction of such ideas about the two archetypal elements you can view Regardie's "Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic",
A lecture there has mentioned that the sphere Da'ath is having air attributed to it, and as we all know Da'ath is the wedding of Chokmah (fire) and Binah (water),
This hints at air being the fusion of both water and fire,
Another hint may come from the logical speculation on the position of Malkuth, where both of the three pillars finish, and is the only sphere given the attribute of the earth element, hence it is earth that is the result of both air, fire and water put together, look at the diagram of the tree and you will see.
The lectures name is "The Tree of Life in the Aura", written by V.H. Frater A.M.A.G.
There is the ancient argument about how the spheres are having their polarities change on each scale of the tree and they then become mixtures of both elements and this will then follow that body parts represented by them do have those two archetypal energies,
However, this confuses most people,
I think you should stick with the middle pillar and how it is representing the main Psychic Centers, and since all its spheres are of air then it is apparent that even these Psychic Centers are comprised, as air is, from both energies.
Also you can find more about the concept of kether giving birth to the two archetypal energies and about the potential of nothingness you can refer to Dion Fortune's book "The Mystical Qabalah", focus on the second part where the spheres and the philosophy behind them is mentioned in some detail.
I may find you examples from Sepher Yetzirah, but the book is a maze.
However, the West does have a similar approach to such matters, it would be foolish to expect that such an important topic be left out by the West while the East does cover it,
It similar of comparing cars that do not come from one origin and suppose that since one is from the East then it must have side mirrors while the Western one should not,
The approach of the west, or at least the Qabalah, is that every sphere on the Tree of Life is alloted to a certain body part,
For example, Yesod is alloted to the genitals, Kether is to the skull,
What easterners call "Chakras" westerners call "Psychic Centers", even if some use the oriental name "Chakra",
Further more the West, as much as the East did, have alloted diseases to the spheres (that both represent macro and micro cosmic "Chakras", to use the eastern language),
Yesod for example has Impotence assigned to it, an illness fairy common as having the genitals a victim,
On the Tree of Life you will find the three pillars, each pillar does have an element alloted to it by virtue of the head spheres, which are Binah, and is the feminine sphere and has the element of water and the masculine Chokmah which has the element of fire as an attribute,
Now as you probably know, since you are ready to recognize certain information as being from this or that, the West holds that the beginning of everything is from nothing in which everything is a mere potential,
As so, Kether then, gave forth water and fire, those were the archetypal parents,
Air came from water and fire combined and earth came from air and fire and water combined,
We then, logically have two types of energy, fire and water or, to use bardon's terminology, electric and magnetic, and all else are mixes with varied quantities from both.
Here is an origin of the thought of archetypal pair of energies,
The problem is that the West is subtle, and you will need some work to figure out the basics that are covered by more grander things and more complex formulas,
This is where Mr. Bardon, I believe, took his words from,
A tradition, not a mere writing from books,
And as for the question about why we back into the tree,
Now you see the tree in front of you, and it is a diagram, not a mirror (a hundred lines under this), representing your body, do you expect that the left of the painting to be your left?
I think not, so it follows that your left is facing your right as you are looking at the diagram, so if you want to set things to rights, you would back into the diagram,
Now it is traditional to have the tree facing you, or rather the human represented by the tree is looking at you.
Also if you look for other sources from rituals that operate on the Psychic Centers of the body then you can view the Middle Pillar ritual or its advanced kin,
Now as for the introduction of such ideas about the two archetypal elements you can view Regardie's "Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic",
A lecture there has mentioned that the sphere Da'ath is having air attributed to it, and as we all know Da'ath is the wedding of Chokmah (fire) and Binah (water),
This hints at air being the fusion of both water and fire,
Another hint may come from the logical speculation on the position of Malkuth, where both of the three pillars finish, and is the only sphere given the attribute of the earth element, hence it is earth that is the result of both air, fire and water put together, look at the diagram of the tree and you will see.
The lectures name is "The Tree of Life in the Aura", written by V.H. Frater A.M.A.G.
There is the ancient argument about how the spheres are having their polarities change on each scale of the tree and they then become mixtures of both elements and this will then follow that body parts represented by them do have those two archetypal energies,
However, this confuses most people,
I think you should stick with the middle pillar and how it is representing the main Psychic Centers, and since all its spheres are of air then it is apparent that even these Psychic Centers are comprised, as air is, from both energies.
Also you can find more about the concept of kether giving birth to the two archetypal energies and about the potential of nothingness you can refer to Dion Fortune's book "The Mystical Qabalah", focus on the second part where the spheres and the philosophy behind them is mentioned in some detail.
I may find you examples from Sepher Yetzirah, but the book is a maze.
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Traditional this is accounted for by use of the left hand for the passive elements of water and earth,the cup and the pantacle. Just as the wand and the dagger are active elements of fire and air respectively and used with the right hand. Does that help? These four magikal weapons along with the lamp (spirit) complete the pentagram.
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You forget how a triangle is projected and reversed from the supernals to the lesser spheres.Salivanereni wrote:the male side is the left one, and the female side is the right one,
Binah is on the left and female, and chokmah is male, but chesed and netzach [left hand] are "female", and geburah and hod [right hand] is "male".
Also, I think making these distinctions when working magic, drawing stuff in the air to correlate with either female or male energies to be accurate.
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Well, if you are focusing on the projection of attributes between the supernals and the following spheres, you would surely notice that the elements change, as well as the attributes, through one plane to the other,thief_and_a_liar wrote:You forget how a triangle is projected and reversed from the supernals to the lesser spheres.Salivanereni wrote:the male side is the left one, and the female side is the right one,
Binah is on the left and female, and chokmah is male, but chesed and netzach [left hand] are "female", and geburah and hod [right hand] is "male".
Also, I think making these distinctions when working magic, drawing stuff in the air to correlate with either female or male energies to be accurate.
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As we all know, the creation and incarnation of force into form is the main distinctive attribute of Binah, and the existence of force outside form is the state maintained by Chokmah,
Hence you would find that the attributes of Chokmah(pure force) and Geburah(form into force) are male,
And so would the attributes of Binah(pure form) and Chesed(force into form) be female, I will not dispute that,
However, Netzach represents the many intelligences, the united influence (where the zigzag lines of influences will meet, as we will see later) of Tiphareth broken turned into many influences that are the embodiments of ideas, they are the thoughts and forces that will be reduced into form to be intelligence, which is the job of Hod, the Prefect Intelligence.
So we see then that Netzach is male (forces behind thoughts) and Hod is female (force behind thought reduced into the form of intelligence).
Now, that will establish the that the attribution of male and female goes on a double zigzag line:
Chokmah to Gebura to Netzach
Binah to Chesed to Hod
You will find that those zigzag lines meet in Tiphareth and Yesod and stem from Kether,
Which is why those exact spheres are attributed to air and why Tiphareth is called the mediating intelligence.
You will also see that each opposite pair are reunited into the middle sphere and after that the whole emanation of force and form reoccur again, but with reversing the places on the pillars of severity and mercy.
My attribution of the male and female influences is based entirely on how the respective spheres represent and process energy.
I am really interested in knowing the source of the attribution of hod to be male.
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