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Original post: Semangelof
moonburn33;289889 wrote:I had a woman try to feed off of me at a goth club. I went back in time and unmade her shields as she was constructing them. Then I drained her and slashed up her energy body until it leaked all over the place.

Silly people who are full of their pompous selves. They think that they can ride some archetypal wave and come out on top. All they do is trade in the same energy that everyone else does... only they must do it cooler and in some faux predatory way. Silly goths- Bella Lugosi's dead.

Yes, you might have a leaky belly button.


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The whole "time-travel" concept seem's very interesting,
what technique are you using to achive this?

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yeah, that was an interesting notion there, i was curious about it too. It sounds cool :D not that shields are nearly as sturdy as people think, but still, cool method. tell more :)


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btw moonburn, thanks for your friendly words :)

I usually think of someone trying to feed on me as no big deal, I'm likely to just use what they're doing as an ice breaker to strike up a conversation with another energy manipulator. I've made a number of friends in this way. Plus some of them aren't aware they're doing it hehe. Anyway, I just don't have anything remotely resembling a shortage anymore, so i'm fairly charitable with letting someone nibble a little while.

PS- best defense against scary psi vamp attack : "pardon me, but that's giving me a headache, could you please stop?" be sure to use a friendly tone. of course, sometimes you might have to show them *how* to stop...
(no, not kidding, actually this is decent for demons too amazingly, I wish i would have figured this method out years before i did)
and dont worry moonburn i've overreacted lots of times myself before getting all mellow. and yeah, not all drains are subtle enough to treat lightly, most aren't that big of a deal though.

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Helmut... it all depends on holywood hehe. if they make a blockbuster movie which popularizes psychic vampirism, the emo's will latch on. I remember when Underworld came out, i told everyone in my psi vamp chatroom i used to run that we'd soon see lots of 'lycans' in the chatroom... we did ;)
I kinda hope they don't make such a movie, emo's are annoying enough as it is. though some of them look kinda cute.

Which raises the question... How come nobody says they're a reincarnated Transformer? Seriously I thought we'd see that.


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I was in a strange mood when I posted that. I've been working with yerba mate recently and it's a little hard to handle. It makes me loopy. That was a few years ago when I was still dramatic about the whole issue. Nowadays, I'd either ignore it (because I now have the ability to ignore it) or say something like what you'd suggested. Social maturity isn't just another pretty face, I guess.

As for the technique, it's kind of intuitive. That particular thing is just second nature to me, I guess. I'm horrible at making shields, but damn good at dismantling them. I guess it takes all kinds, right?

For the sake of posterity, it involves being able to connect energetically to the past. Once you get that down, you can sense things as they were playing out. It's pretty much real-time, as far as interface goes. By that, I mean it's just like you were doing it in the present. You can do some interesting (and entertaining) things with warping time/making time constructs.

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that's pretty cool moonburn :) I've never thought of it that way.

I found, when i used to 'spar' a lot, that shields aren't very effective if they are trying to function as a barrier. I mean a barrier or membrane shield is great for controlling empathy, stopping oneself from unconsciously feeding, and other cool effects. But for sparring purposes, I found a lot of peoples' "impenetrable shield" to be about as impenetrable as tissue paper.

Which isn't to say that there aren't effective shields for 'sparing', I mean there are, but a 'barrier' just isn't a very effective model for that.

Considering that summoning 'circles' generally function as barrier shields, that kinda says something about summoning methodology, eh? ;)

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I think that the "magic circle" benefits from infusing outside energies into it. It's kind of like getting acid to react to gold.

As far as sparring goes, I agree. There are much more appropriate techniques that one can use. It's also a matter of locating the programming. More powerful people leave a much more subtle, imperceptible "signature" than relatively less powerful people. I think it has to do with less "junk" energy in the programming. That's more a function of focus (to borrow your profile info) than anything else. Practice, practice, practice...

But I digress.

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moonburn33;290282 wrote:I think that the "magic circle" benefits from infusing outside energies into it. It's kind of like getting acid to react to gold.

As far as sparring goes, I agree. There are much more appropriate techniques that one can use. It's also a matter of locating the programming. More powerful people leave a much more subtle, imperceptible "signature" than relatively less powerful people. I think it has to do with less "junk" energy in the programming. That's more a function of focus (to borrow your profile info) than anything else. Practice, practice, practice...

But I digress.
I think a very nice way to deal with these type of situation's is to simply convert the negative/hostile type of energy projected towards you into positive...

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i once put on plastic fangs and tried to bite my dog, but it didn't work. the damned thing shit all over me.

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A YEY!!! please for bringing this thread off of cemetary...

As for psy-vampires now...

In a reply to Kath (hope he's still around to read it)

You are right in most of it...

I as a psy-vamp am not goth/satanist/anything I am just an individual
I call my self psy-vamp for the main reasons explained very well by Kath

And yes...Feeding with energy is doable and psy-vamps are around (no Bella-Lugosi's wannabees)
And I believe all depends on ethics...I can suck someones energy to fill myself but this is something I don't like to do... I am usually feeding from masses in way too small amounts from anyone that no harm is done and I never do it on children or old men or people that are defenceless anyways...

This book is just stupid imo as most of things in literature/movies/internet so if anyone wants to master it he needs to find HIS way...

In the rare occassion I NEED to feed from someone I drain the less I can and after that I make use of empathy (basic level one) to turn his feelings for him to feel good... I am not sure what happens if I drain massive ammounts of energy from someone without limit (death maybe?) but I'm not about to try anyhow to learn so I don't care

Shields or energy beings (don't know how to call it in english) are able to stop a psy-vamp from draining you (depending on his power ofc)

To the guy who asked if you are born a psy-vamp or you can train to be one I have to say that both are possible...The born one has some talent to it tho' and the trained need way more work than the born one...
It's like talent in art or music or anything... All can play piano but some do it way easier than the others

As for the why now...
Most psy-vamps do it without knowing (at least in the begining) there are the others that think of themselves as the top of feed pyramid as predators and do it for fun (These are the only ones I drain massive amounts from when I find them to make them feel like a victim and stop)and there are people like me who are practising a lot (with self healing/empathing/hunting irresponsible predators etc) that loose energy fast and need to refill it quickly...I really don't believe in energy leaking tho'...

I know I'll get flamed to hell but I don't care...There are people who are afraid or are new psy-vamps and need some help...

I'll keep an eye on this thread and I'll reply if I can to any non-flame/troll pms

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Kath is a lady Azazel.

The way I see it, psi vampirism is a condition of the Energy system, it can be mild as min my case, or very severe as in pepole that get sick to the point of death unless they feed often. It have nothing to do with Dracula or the vampire myths, the word vampire have just been chosen for this condition because it kind of fits, you are taking Energy from others. That do not mean that psi vampires think we are undead lords, and ladies of the night. It is the same as the condition bird's chest, it do not mean that the person with this condition have the actual chest of a bird, but that he or she have a deformity that make their chest look a little like the chest of a bird, and so on. Psi vampirism is just given that name because it is a bit similar to what the legendary vampires do.
To the guy who asked if you are born a psy-vamp or you can train to be one I have to say that both are possible...The born one has some talent to it tho' and the trained need way more work than the born one...
It's like talent in art or music or anything... All can play piano but some do it way easier than the others
Both are possible but are two different things. One can be born with or even get a damage to one's energy system that makes getting Energy elsewhere from necessary, but one can also train to take energy from others without needing it if that is what one want to do. I usually do not need to take Energy from others when I work with Energy exercises drawing from the universe or from Earth, but if I do not practice this regularly then I am very draining to those around me, and do often feel very tired and get a boost out of taking some Energy from others, but I never take enough to harm someone. I do not think I am skilled enough to harm someone this way.

I would recommend the LBRP as a protection. It will stop most spiritual attacks if practices consistently.
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Great post Kath. Perfectly put.

Vampyre is a clumsy term - Bellanger herself admits that. I also have the tendencies and am very much in the same boat as you where I feel now no need to "feed" off people and have even become ill because of it.

I was recruited into a house a few years ago when the house mother recognized some innate energy work I was doing and - already being a kabalist and student of the occult - I recognized quickly the aim of many of their techniques and things I had been doing unintentionally.

while no longer associating with that group the one thing I can say about the "vampyres" is they have some of the most talented energy workers you'll find in a any occult sub-genre. While I do not so much agree with the presentation or imagery - as Dion Fortune once said - "I may not agree but i recognize power when I see it and I respect that."

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Eh, if the thread was dug up, I suppose I'll toss in my two cents as the resident newbie.

A friend of mine is what I would consider a Psychic Vampire... he feeds off of other people, as well as latent energy and the few good natural energy sources we know about. However, he does only what he needs to from people, and will occasionally "fill up" at a natural energy source (the nearby graveyard is his favorite... he's a bit morbid sometimes). I have always suspected that his "vampirism" was caused by the bad home he grew up in, but unfortunately I've never had the chance to get to know anyone else with this "condition" well enough to make comparisons.
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I'm sorry to hear you've become ill heliom, i hope you are doing better now.
Personally I think you can feed enough to have more than you need, without really harming anyone. I can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather you were happy and healthy.

I don't really need other peoples' energy anymore, not for a long time now. So I don't know if I still qualify as a psi vamp. kinda a silly term anyway, so it doesn't really matter i guess. I find I still have the common energy body layout, the missing lower chakras, & the need for external energy... I'm just proficient at getting it without feeding on people. actually I think of people as a fairly tiny energy source by comparison, so feeding on people is kinda obsolete. Honestly I was more following the trail of 'power', i wasn't *trying* to obsolete feeding on people. I can't say I regret feeding on people when it was necessary, I never singled people out to cause any noticeable harm. but it is a bit of a relief to not need people as a resource. And when i didn't need them anymore, I did take the time to break the preconscious 'habit' of tapping them for energy.

my experience has been similar to yours, that there is a noticeable density of really proficient energy workers in this occult sub-genre. I've met equally proficient non-vamps, just not as many. I think it boils down to 'practice practice practice' and few occultists really practice every day, while many/most psi vamps do. Of course, bear in mind that when i say that, i'm talking about people who I consider to really be psi vamps, not just people who claim to be for various social or psychological reasons hehe. Sometimes people are surprising though, i remember i knew this one girl for 2 years who claimed to be a psi vamp but never ever outwardly displayed any actual energy working or feeding. and I just kinda assumed she was mistaken about herself, but i didn't bring it up because she was such a nice girl and it's always tacky to try to argue with someone about what they are or aren't. But then one day, she was just crazy hungry for energy and she let loose and it was 'wow' very potent. So I don't like to play judge & jury over who is or isn't actually a psi vamp. But suffice to say, there are those who are and don't know it or want to admit it, there are those who are and know it, and there are those who think it would be cool, and claim to be one. the latter not being very proficient at energy work really. technically i think there are those who legitimately are one 'for a while' (where 'need' is one of the two defining traits, not all causes of chronicly low energy are permanent)


Aliga, its possible its his home he grew up in. if so he might "grow out of it" eventually, as his relationship with his past home life diminishes with time/age. By that i mean the actual causes of his energy deficit might diminish over time, and he might no longer find himself needing others' energy. Then again, that may not be the cause at all :)

there's so many possible causes, and i think many of them occur, and all psi vamps are definitely not the same. but there is a sort of 'core' grouping I find. generally very proficient energy workers, generally having many personality traits in common. like playful coyness, a strange blend of being both periodically shy/asocial, and periodically charismatic, a great ability for drawing people out of their shell, reliable confidantes, a skill for "successfully" garnering attention (as in, without coming off like an attention seeker). Like the old saying, you know what you call a "pro" attention hog? you call them "fascinating". but counterbalanced with periods of very deep, sometimes prolonged, withdrawing from others, as though they need space to regain their sense of self sometimes. and then there's the energy, the alternating between very high and very low energy states different days. which could seem perhaps like manic depression, except most psi vamps play their inward emotional states kinda close to their chest, and don't outwardly show a lot. crave socializing with others, even though it may make them feel uncomfortable at times. periods of frailty/weakness and seeming larger than life/indomitable. great empathy. great sexual prowess (really, you *want* a lover who's pre-consciously interested in elevating your energy state ;) ). I dunno... I really enjoy their company, there's a subtle 'family' sense i get from it. maybe I'm just silly.

I haven't really hung out in those circles in a long while. I hold a nostalgic fondness for it though.

boy this thread sure is necro'd eh?
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this. Recently I became aware of my abilities as a Psi-Vamp. Unfortunately I haven't quite gotten the grasp of feeding. Subconsciously I feed off of my friends which i am currently living with. It's taking a toll on their lives. I was wondering if someone who is more experienced can give me some advice and or tips to help me stop feeding off of them and maybe feed off of nature. Thanks.

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