Original post: PaulS
The funny part of the stand that the Catholic Church has made is that they have a ritual (and have, in the past, exercised it) to marry partners of the same gender. It was once (early in the church's history) quite common for two men to wed in a matrimonial mass - with all the trimmings and the blessings of the Church and local arch-bishop.
Today they would like to forget that they used to endorse marriage of same gender partners because they no longer have the need of members in the way they did when the Church was young. For the most part they (the Church and those that govern it) have become as homophobic as the rest of western culture. God never said "love thy neighbor only of the opposite gender" and he never advocated only straight sex. As a matter of historical fact both the Jews of his time and the other cultures endorsed homosexual activity. Most house-holds (including good Jewish homes) had slaves and among them a young male who was to please the master of the house when his wife was unavoidably absent or inaccessible (due to estrus). Public sex was normally between same gender folk and was also quite common up through the Greek Golden Age.
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Original post: WindigoXXVIII
just to add to the greek reference in Paul S's post:
not only was homosexual common but pederasty. Sexual relations between a man and a boy.
Zeus, Apollo, Poseidon and Heracles all experienced it. and so did socrates and plato.
sodomy was a militaristic and elitist act, the rich all having a boy to entertain them. the ancient greeks loved the male form, always displaying themselves in their gymnasiums, where "gymnos" means naked. Greeks exposed their penisis all the time as a way of flirting.
as for Ancient Rome, it was okay for a man to penetrate another man, well usually it was a boy, because it showed their sexual virility, however it was humiliating to BE penetrated.
for more fun facts about this theme I recommend "A Mind of Its Own: A cultural history of the Penis" by david M. Friedman
just to add to the greek reference in Paul S's post:
not only was homosexual common but pederasty. Sexual relations between a man and a boy.
Zeus, Apollo, Poseidon and Heracles all experienced it. and so did socrates and plato.
sodomy was a militaristic and elitist act, the rich all having a boy to entertain them. the ancient greeks loved the male form, always displaying themselves in their gymnasiums, where "gymnos" means naked. Greeks exposed their penisis all the time as a way of flirting.
as for Ancient Rome, it was okay for a man to penetrate another man, well usually it was a boy, because it showed their sexual virility, however it was humiliating to BE penetrated.
for more fun facts about this theme I recommend "A Mind of Its Own: A cultural history of the Penis" by david M. Friedman
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simply put: Nothing is worng with homosexuality. I get the same type of reaction up here in New York too. There are just way too many people who are prejudice. But for me, when the holy rollers start to tell me all the sins I and others make I just tear them apart, limb from limb, using thier own weapon: The Bible. no one messes with me on the topic of religion in my school, cause I always win. So unless they can give me a GOOD reason that homosexuality is wrong I will continue to believe otherwise. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 dont phaze me in the slightest. cause when someone attacks another person for any reson, saying "The Bible" says its wrong they have taken the good, real purpose away from the book and reduced it to nothing but a towering pile of sh*t. they'v missed the whole point of the Bible if they are using it to harm other people, be it emotionally, physically or moraly. Im not homosexual, but darn it, some of the best people I've ever known are gay. it pisses me off to see people attacking my friends. They get my wrath when they do. Thankfully no teacher is that predjudice, but a few of the faculty are. For now we just have to deal with them......I still dont like it. (sorry, im kinda heated on the topic)
simply put: Nothing is worng with homosexuality. I get the same type of reaction up here in New York too. There are just way too many people who are prejudice. But for me, when the holy rollers start to tell me all the sins I and others make I just tear them apart, limb from limb, using thier own weapon: The Bible. no one messes with me on the topic of religion in my school, cause I always win. So unless they can give me a GOOD reason that homosexuality is wrong I will continue to believe otherwise. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 dont phaze me in the slightest. cause when someone attacks another person for any reson, saying "The Bible" says its wrong they have taken the good, real purpose away from the book and reduced it to nothing but a towering pile of sh*t. they'v missed the whole point of the Bible if they are using it to harm other people, be it emotionally, physically or moraly. Im not homosexual, but darn it, some of the best people I've ever known are gay. it pisses me off to see people attacking my friends. They get my wrath when they do. Thankfully no teacher is that predjudice, but a few of the faculty are. For now we just have to deal with them......I still dont like it. (sorry, im kinda heated on the topic)
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I've always been pretty openly gay and dealt with teachers like this, I debated to have Neo-Pagan included on the class religion list once, resulting in a detention I didn't do. I remember how the kids with huge golden crucifixes didn't get a single look or complaint, but my little silver pentacle, oh bother! That was a few years ago and I've moved on... oh on topic, your sub was a moron.
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I've always been pretty openly gay and dealt with teachers like this, I debated to have Neo-Pagan included on the class religion list once, resulting in a detention I didn't do. I remember how the kids with huge golden crucifixes didn't get a single look or complaint, but my little silver pentacle, oh bother! That was a few years ago and I've moved on... oh on topic, your sub was a moron.
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[QUOTE=insert_name_here]I've always been pretty openly gay and dealt with teachers like this, I debated to have Neo-Pagan included on the class religion list once, resulting in a detention I didn't do. I remember how the kids with huge golden crucifixes didn't get a single look or complaint, but my little silver pentacle, oh bother! That was a few years ago and I've moved on... oh on topic, your sub was a moron.
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Frater I_N_H[/QUOTE]
In my school when people see my pentagram they ask if I'm Jewish, lol, I never run out of patience pointing out that it's 5-pointed and not six.
There will always be people who just can't accept others as they are, as I was told once. We just have to get used to them.
[QUOTE=insert_name_here]I've always been pretty openly gay and dealt with teachers like this, I debated to have Neo-Pagan included on the class religion list once, resulting in a detention I didn't do. I remember how the kids with huge golden crucifixes didn't get a single look or complaint, but my little silver pentacle, oh bother! That was a few years ago and I've moved on... oh on topic, your sub was a moron.
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Frater I_N_H[/QUOTE]
In my school when people see my pentagram they ask if I'm Jewish, lol, I never run out of patience pointing out that it's 5-pointed and not six.
There will always be people who just can't accept others as they are, as I was told once. We just have to get used to them.
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[QUOTE=True_Undead]I usually try not to get into heated debates at my school. Im sorry to say that i only listened as a substitute teacher and a few students discuss their beliefs on homosexuallity. The reason i am writting because of what the teacher said. The sub stated that being gay was a sin, that it is bringing the morals of our society down, and it creates twisted children (im guessing hse means adobted). She also say that she fully believes in the bible, that it doesnt contradict itself, and the 66 books were written by 33 authors...
I now realize why teachers are told not to share their opinions or preach...I am not gay but i do take offense to what she said. Just the way she said it...filled with so much hate like she wanted to kill all gay people...you could feel the hate. I also know for a fact that kids rasied by gay parents do not turn out twisted (she actully said twisted!) becausei have friends who seemed to have turned out pretty normal...and actully have better values than most kids raised by strait parents.
I really needed to rant about this...its been building all day.
so what do you think....[/QUOTE]
I have quite a bit to say on the subject of homosexuality, and especially gay marriage. I am not gay, but I am bi, and, though not offended by what people say about it (but more amused), I am angered by the Christian defense of hating it.
Christians that hate gays are all partly NeoNazis (the Nazis killed homosexuals in the Holocaust. In fact they tattooed "Arschficker" on their backs).
As far as I have heard homosexuality (and bisexuality) is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, which is logical, considering one is gay from birth. They do not wake up one day and say, "Hey, I'm going to go get sodomized because that's the way I roll." They wake up one day and accept that that's the way they swing.
President Bush uses the excuse that homosexuality is against the Bible, and gays should not be allowed to marry because it is not sacred. Obviously PRESIDENT BUSH IS ILLITERATE AND UNPATRIOTIC because it explicitly states in THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION (Bill of Rights, I believe) that there is to be a SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
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...That's my opinion.
[QUOTE=True_Undead]I usually try not to get into heated debates at my school. Im sorry to say that i only listened as a substitute teacher and a few students discuss their beliefs on homosexuallity. The reason i am writting because of what the teacher said. The sub stated that being gay was a sin, that it is bringing the morals of our society down, and it creates twisted children (im guessing hse means adobted). She also say that she fully believes in the bible, that it doesnt contradict itself, and the 66 books were written by 33 authors...
I now realize why teachers are told not to share their opinions or preach...I am not gay but i do take offense to what she said. Just the way she said it...filled with so much hate like she wanted to kill all gay people...you could feel the hate. I also know for a fact that kids rasied by gay parents do not turn out twisted (she actully said twisted!) becausei have friends who seemed to have turned out pretty normal...and actully have better values than most kids raised by strait parents.
I really needed to rant about this...its been building all day.
so what do you think....[/QUOTE]
I have quite a bit to say on the subject of homosexuality, and especially gay marriage. I am not gay, but I am bi, and, though not offended by what people say about it (but more amused), I am angered by the Christian defense of hating it.
Christians that hate gays are all partly NeoNazis (the Nazis killed homosexuals in the Holocaust. In fact they tattooed "Arschficker" on their backs).
As far as I have heard homosexuality (and bisexuality) is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, which is logical, considering one is gay from birth. They do not wake up one day and say, "Hey, I'm going to go get sodomized because that's the way I roll." They wake up one day and accept that that's the way they swing.
President Bush uses the excuse that homosexuality is against the Bible, and gays should not be allowed to marry because it is not sacred. Obviously PRESIDENT BUSH IS ILLITERATE AND UNPATRIOTIC because it explicitly states in THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION (Bill of Rights, I believe) that there is to be a SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
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...That's my opinion.
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By the way, I nearly failed U.S. History (I can't even name the Original Thirteen Colonies), and I still know this. Why doesn't the president?
By the way, I nearly failed U.S. History (I can't even name the Original Thirteen Colonies), and I still know this. Why doesn't the president?
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I think the only twisted people are those raised in an environment that supresses not only human nature but nature outside what they are tought. I doubt anybody of any belief system who thinks gays are amoral have a deep understanding of homosexuality. Many themselves are probably repressed homosexuals. I saw somewhere that most people who hold deep resentment towards gays are themselves repressed homosexuals if not at least bi-sexual.
Either way one slices the apple I know that when I was in highschool (public) we had a few superstitious bible thumpers, students and teachers. They would interject religious philosophies into the classroom. Some more than others. But not only that most of the students were also christian so they didn't care about this being illegal. Yes it is illegal but its like trying to enforce a speed limmit. Unless one can monitor the speeds of every vehicle on every road there's not a practicle way to prevent speeding. Like wise trying to prevent teachers from spouting their beliefs is also very difficult.
So it is illegal. What should you as a student do? If you are honestly bothered by this get attention. Tell the principle, the police, your parants. Do you have a school news paper? If not make one. If all else fails tell the local news papers. Especially if you can have a several other people back you up. And your biggest case is that she's not only spouting secular beliefs in class she's also spouting bigorty. Or maybe she didn't actually say anything hateful towards gays but you could make a case that she implied it and its affecting you (probably others as well) in a public place of learning. In life I learned that yes the law makes things legal and illegal. However people shouldn't rely on law enforcement alone. Ultimately the people must help in the legal process don't rely on some authority to intervien because it won't happen unless you get it out in the open. However if you're in a priviate school, unless they're forcing you to hurt others, you're pretty much screwed becuase thats kind of a legal bind there being private and all.
I think the only twisted people are those raised in an environment that supresses not only human nature but nature outside what they are tought. I doubt anybody of any belief system who thinks gays are amoral have a deep understanding of homosexuality. Many themselves are probably repressed homosexuals. I saw somewhere that most people who hold deep resentment towards gays are themselves repressed homosexuals if not at least bi-sexual.
Either way one slices the apple I know that when I was in highschool (public) we had a few superstitious bible thumpers, students and teachers. They would interject religious philosophies into the classroom. Some more than others. But not only that most of the students were also christian so they didn't care about this being illegal. Yes it is illegal but its like trying to enforce a speed limmit. Unless one can monitor the speeds of every vehicle on every road there's not a practicle way to prevent speeding. Like wise trying to prevent teachers from spouting their beliefs is also very difficult.
So it is illegal. What should you as a student do? If you are honestly bothered by this get attention. Tell the principle, the police, your parants. Do you have a school news paper? If not make one. If all else fails tell the local news papers. Especially if you can have a several other people back you up. And your biggest case is that she's not only spouting secular beliefs in class she's also spouting bigorty. Or maybe she didn't actually say anything hateful towards gays but you could make a case that she implied it and its affecting you (probably others as well) in a public place of learning. In life I learned that yes the law makes things legal and illegal. However people shouldn't rely on law enforcement alone. Ultimately the people must help in the legal process don't rely on some authority to intervien because it won't happen unless you get it out in the open. However if you're in a priviate school, unless they're forcing you to hurt others, you're pretty much screwed becuase thats kind of a legal bind there being private and all.
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Original post: Zantetsoth
The teacher can spout their homophobic beliefs, and you can hate them for it, but it's okay until they try to limit your human rights. (Like Mr. President, who is stepping on our Inalienable Rights by not allowing us to marry who we want to marry. I suddenly want to cusre the president. Who's with me? ...If the president dies tomorrow it wasn't me, I'm a white mage or something. I swear.)
The teacher can spout their homophobic beliefs, and you can hate them for it, but it's okay until they try to limit your human rights. (Like Mr. President, who is stepping on our Inalienable Rights by not allowing us to marry who we want to marry. I suddenly want to cusre the president. Who's with me? ...If the president dies tomorrow it wasn't me, I'm a white mage or something. I swear.)
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Conservative India has legalized gay marriages. Gay / lesbian culture is now sweeping indian sub-continent.
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Here is and Idea you could pass on to the teach.
Don't like Gay marriages??? DON'T HAVE ONE!!
Quite frankly, I think you should protest your teachers to the school board. Any teacher spouting off like that should have her license to teach revoked. Just my opinion.
Don't like Gay marriages??? DON'T HAVE ONE!!
Quite frankly, I think you should protest your teachers to the school board. Any teacher spouting off like that should have her license to teach revoked. Just my opinion.
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"As far as I have heard homosexuality (and bisexuality) is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, which is logical, considering one is gay from birth. They do not wake up one day and say, "Hey, I'm going to go get sodomized because that's the way I roll." They wake up one day and accept that that's the way they swing."
I 'd go a bit further with this statement[bolded] and say: homosexuality is identifiable,by a chemical DIFFERENCE in the brain,when compared to the brains of heterosexuals.
May seem nit picky,but I don't see homosexuality as an 'imbalance',that suggests an impairment that could or should be corrected.The imbalance definition still places homosexuality as a medical 'abberation' or 'deviation from normal/healthy'.Just my tuppence.
I 'd go a bit further with this statement[bolded] and say: homosexuality is identifiable,by a chemical DIFFERENCE in the brain,when compared to the brains of heterosexuals.
May seem nit picky,but I don't see homosexuality as an 'imbalance',that suggests an impairment that could or should be corrected.The imbalance definition still places homosexuality as a medical 'abberation' or 'deviation from normal/healthy'.Just my tuppence.
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Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.