Doing harm
Doing harm
As far as Chaos Magick goes what is said about using it to do harm to your enemies? I am asking because I used Magick years ago knowing the effects would be unpleasant to the focus , but hoping it would bring positive change , and it did. I want to apply to the IOT, but am a little reluctant to list this as my innovative operation, but in fact it is my best example.
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Solarflea, no monolithic source of dogma exists among chaos magicians. The general consensus regarding your question, though, probably leans to the belief that you make your own ethics (or you don't) and judge by your own standards and values. We tend to regard techniques of magic as morally neutral.
That said, few magicians have the stomach for being a serial killer or something. Leave that to the fantasies of the socially-maladjusted creeps who occasionally find their way into magic. If you want to apply to the Pact do so with no worries and stand by your actions.
Good luck and good hunting.
That said, few magicians have the stomach for being a serial killer or something. Leave that to the fantasies of the socially-maladjusted creeps who occasionally find their way into magic. If you want to apply to the Pact do so with no worries and stand by your actions.
Good luck and good hunting.
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Doing harm
Thank you for your help. I thought that would probably be the case. I don't want to go around hurting people, I am a kind person. But this individual was nasty to everyone, until the events of their life woke them up. I did not feel regret exactly, but I did not take pleasure in their suffering either. Thanks again.
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at the end of the day, the only opinion you REALLY have to live with, is yours. don't do anything you'll have trouble forgiving yourself over.
but do bear in mind that much of what you may feel to be your own internal moral standards, may actually be social indoctrination.
embrace the whole self, from that terrifying dark bit, to that awesomely light bit, one whole self... different, apparently contradictory, but part of one harmonized whole. from there you can know your true self, your whole self. and then from there, decide what to do, based on the full array of your being/nature. don't let any single drive play king of the court, fairly represent your holistic self in thought and action.
you're a terrifying monster, and an altruistic being of compassion. be you.
but do bear in mind that much of what you may feel to be your own internal moral standards, may actually be social indoctrination.
embrace the whole self, from that terrifying dark bit, to that awesomely light bit, one whole self... different, apparently contradictory, but part of one harmonized whole. from there you can know your true self, your whole self. and then from there, decide what to do, based on the full array of your being/nature. don't let any single drive play king of the court, fairly represent your holistic self in thought and action.
you're a terrifying monster, and an altruistic being of compassion. be you.
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Barrackubus
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What constitutes as harm? It's not like you do it everyday, we as magicians are very patient amd longsuffering, if thats the right word. In other words you just going to stand there and let the guy kick your ass, or are you going to do something about it. If it requires harm then so be it, as matter fact that was how i found out what it is that i am. I did some work, right around the time, i enlightened myself to now to this day, know thay magic is neither good or bad, and if nothing is really that absolute, then why should magick be, its not like im going to elecrocute you because you stole my lawn mower, it comes with responsibility. You harm me, i know i am so protected, without a thought, i call them my friends, all six, my protecters. They take anyform or manner i feel them out for.
It had been a minute, since news years eve, i put a protection spell upon myself and homestead some months back, before new years. One guy who stole my daughters xanax, came back around with third degree burns from fingertips to elbows, after i told my family that we were going to mark the hands of the one who took the meds.
New years eve, a dude who got insomething between my wife and i had come to my home, to my bedroom and threatend to kick my ass. I got up to escort him peacefully out of my home, with no intention any violence. He, as we were going up my stairs, i was behind him and we were going up, he turned to punch me in the face with brass knuckles. Although i was bleeding alot and had a concussion, i was really calm. Wasnt concerned at all i needed medical attention, i spent the night on the sofa in my bedroom and planned on going to urgent care instead
of emergency room.
But the next day, i go to emergency room, still cool as ever, i sat their and let them clean me, but as soon as the glue was put on my face instead of stiches, my wife gets a phone call from this dudes wife, her husband had lost his mind, he was locked away in a straight jacket, running from things only he could see, and screaming in fear at the voices that were tormenting him. I couldnt pass it up, you hit me in my head, i hit you in yours...it was fair, but none of those things would have never happened had these people made the right choice, the thing i would have done, their karma is there karma, we just gave it a little push.
As choates we dont make it a practice to curse out of some misplaced selfish or manipulative reasons, we are well trained in the art of magick, so with that knowledge comes alot poise and patience. Be blessed!
It had been a minute, since news years eve, i put a protection spell upon myself and homestead some months back, before new years. One guy who stole my daughters xanax, came back around with third degree burns from fingertips to elbows, after i told my family that we were going to mark the hands of the one who took the meds.
New years eve, a dude who got insomething between my wife and i had come to my home, to my bedroom and threatend to kick my ass. I got up to escort him peacefully out of my home, with no intention any violence. He, as we were going up my stairs, i was behind him and we were going up, he turned to punch me in the face with brass knuckles. Although i was bleeding alot and had a concussion, i was really calm. Wasnt concerned at all i needed medical attention, i spent the night on the sofa in my bedroom and planned on going to urgent care instead
of emergency room.
But the next day, i go to emergency room, still cool as ever, i sat their and let them clean me, but as soon as the glue was put on my face instead of stiches, my wife gets a phone call from this dudes wife, her husband had lost his mind, he was locked away in a straight jacket, running from things only he could see, and screaming in fear at the voices that were tormenting him. I couldnt pass it up, you hit me in my head, i hit you in yours...it was fair, but none of those things would have never happened had these people made the right choice, the thing i would have done, their karma is there karma, we just gave it a little push.
As choates we dont make it a practice to curse out of some misplaced selfish or manipulative reasons, we are well trained in the art of magick, so with that knowledge comes alot poise and patience. Be blessed!
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Barrackubus
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what is it that truely determines harm follow the thinking of the chaote. In our universe it is proven that the world we live in is an illusion and absolute does not and cannot exsist. If it were possible to be, then magick cannot be, because magick works it can be prove to be. We are talking about a reality that we know that can be changed according to our will, magick.
You will be hard pressed to find a chaote who considers magick harmful, that would be trying to locate an absolute, and we have done alot of science to prove that absolutes cannot exsist. It is not the magick that is bad, myself personally, morally and in alot of experience, is that bad can come even with what some would say is good intent, but the magick is neither good or bad it just is. so in actuality the chaote thinks what is good or bad cannot exsist because if our universe is expanding then that also is not absolute then how can anything else be, truth, good, bad anything. All things change that is the only true absolute. And yes harm can from magick, but magick takes wisdom patience and training so were not going,t make your tires go flat if you cut us off on the highway. But also know if that point is reached and I become fully engaged in moving you. It is always to get you to go away. You better go. If a system has engaged me violently, im talking there are alot of things people say or do that require action, I almost feel like im called to push the universe. Not every act of magick is going to render the bully down the street harmless, but it will keep you away from me.
You will be hard pressed to find a chaote who considers magick harmful, that would be trying to locate an absolute, and we have done alot of science to prove that absolutes cannot exsist. It is not the magick that is bad, myself personally, morally and in alot of experience, is that bad can come even with what some would say is good intent, but the magick is neither good or bad it just is. so in actuality the chaote thinks what is good or bad cannot exsist because if our universe is expanding then that also is not absolute then how can anything else be, truth, good, bad anything. All things change that is the only true absolute. And yes harm can from magick, but magick takes wisdom patience and training so were not going,t make your tires go flat if you cut us off on the highway. But also know if that point is reached and I become fully engaged in moving you. It is always to get you to go away. You better go. If a system has engaged me violently, im talking there are alot of things people say or do that require action, I almost feel like im called to push the universe. Not every act of magick is going to render the bully down the street harmless, but it will keep you away from me.
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"Harm to enemies." Shit, dude, I've known a whole bunch of Chaotic types who will harm just about anybody they can, "enemy" or not; on the other hand, that's not something endemic to Chaos magic, as generally speaking, extreme hostility and insecurity are part and parcel of the human makeup.
Regarding whether I, personally, feel it's appropriate/acceptable to harm someone I dislike or feel threatened by: It's never the same deal twice, ya know? I try to take things like "whether to harm" or not on a case-by-case basis. That all being said, I don't feel any particular inhibition against causing harm to another person if the situation seems to call for it; I try to draw the line at cutting and bludgeoning, though. People always bleed a WHOLE LOT MORE than it shows on TV and in the movies.
Regarding whether I, personally, feel it's appropriate/acceptable to harm someone I dislike or feel threatened by: It's never the same deal twice, ya know? I try to take things like "whether to harm" or not on a case-by-case basis. That all being said, I don't feel any particular inhibition against causing harm to another person if the situation seems to call for it; I try to draw the line at cutting and bludgeoning, though. People always bleed a WHOLE LOT MORE than it shows on TV and in the movies.
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Barrackubus
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Yes whether harm is appropriate is absolutely a must to deal with each case individually, to me its how the intended is judged to tip the scale when place them on it in my theater of magick, this judgement or conclusion is reached after careful consideration after all the applicable energy has been fairly assimulated. I look for all other possible solutions of magickal actions before pushing chaos into the mix.
As far as other chaotes cursing and hexing just because, is to me not wise to do, the training we aquire must be balanced with wisdom and fairness. Thats just how I practice. Because you have a gun doesnt exactly qualify you to shoot whoever you want. But in matters of self defense and where harm has been laid at your doorstep, why use bludgening or physical violence when magick is so much more entertaining, and besides you dont get your hands dirty.
As far as other chaotes cursing and hexing just because, is to me not wise to do, the training we aquire must be balanced with wisdom and fairness. Thats just how I practice. Because you have a gun doesnt exactly qualify you to shoot whoever you want. But in matters of self defense and where harm has been laid at your doorstep, why use bludgening or physical violence when magick is so much more entertaining, and besides you dont get your hands dirty.