Pronunciation of Zazas Zazas Nasatanada Zazas

Prometeo · Post by **Prometeo** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:18 pm

Hello,
I would like to know how is Zazas Zazas Nasatanada Zazas pronounced. How do you pronounce the "z"s? And the "a"s?
Thank you

frozen0k · Post by **frozen0k** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:58 pm

why would people go mumbling jumbling words that have no (conscious) meaning for them? Just because they read somewhere about them?
What would make more meaning to you? These Sanskrit words:
Asato mÄ

Prometeo · Post by **Prometeo** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:55 pm

I know what that mantra does, thatÂ´s why I want to know the pronunciation

frozen0k · Post by **frozen0k** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:25 am

Wrong. You know what that mantra is supposed to do. You know what it does once you experience that, but if you don't know how to spell it, for sure you didn't experienced the result of that mantra. Anyway if it's written in english, then you pronounce it in english.
Zazas goes like in bizarre
So why would you try to open the gates of hell? You have all the necessary knowledge and wisdom for that? (since you don't know how to spell it then you don't have it)
Or you're just trying to make people chant it and give you feedback? :p

Prometeo · Post by **Prometeo** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:06 pm

Actually in Liber Null and Liber Pyramidos it has one spelling, and in The Vision and the Voice another, it is confusing. I tried with the first spelling, and although I did it for short periods of time I was having a mild headache, it has never happened that to me with a mantra. Should I insist? Or maybe it isnÂ´t the mantra, maybe itÂ´s just that IÂ´m too tired from working. And I wasnÂ´t trying to do an experiment with other people, my plan was to get rid of God, to stopping him from having any power over me and my life, I think he doesnÂ´t treat me in a fair way.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:53 am

Somewhere around here someone else asked the very same thing. One response was said it could be a way to open the gate or drop the veil. The thing is, those words sound nothing like hell speak and nothing like angelic song. So if it opens anything its very small, only big enough for the "rats" to get through.

Post by **Belial** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:19 am

I have to second Stukov's notion.

Those words mean nothing to me either.In fact they seem almost mocking.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:46 am

Yeah, I've only heard one good example anywhere of hell speak, I think it was in the movie Constantine, but I could have swore there was some examples on the net of it (through like ghost investigations or something), but the last time I tried to find it I was inundated with tons World of Warcraft junk.

So back to the OP, you want to know how to pronounce it because?

Post by **Belial** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:57 am

He want's to know how to pronounce it as a means to sever his connection to "god" which I presume he refers to Yahweh.Honestly I recommend utilizing far more effective and popular methods such as betrayal , defiance , renouncement , etc.

Only a fool seeks to burn down a bridge with intent alone.

dedevoce · Post by **dedevoce** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:50 pm

Prometeo wrote:Actually in Liber Null and Liber Pyramidos it has one spelling, and in The Vision and the Voice another, it is confusing. I tried with the first spelling, and although I did it for short periods of time I was having a mild headache, it has never happened that to me with a mantra. Should I insist? Or maybe it isnÂ´t the mantra, maybe itÂ´s just that IÂ´m too tired from working. And I wasnÂ´t trying to do an experiment with other people, my plan was to get rid of God, to stopping him from having any power over me and my life, I think he doesnÂ´t treat me in a fair way.

The texts you mention above are based off of visions, waking dreams. The physical form of the person writing them was attempting phonetic transcription of the word heard. These transcriptions are only approximations however. The way to find out the correct pronunciation is to hear it yourself. A simple trick is to read one of the texts and *imagine* the images as they are described. If you do this before bed and focus through your third eye, you can in essence program your own dreams to take you to that location. Part of the stated goal of Vision and Voice is to achieve the vision yourself. The independence comes from having conscious control of the process.

frozen0k · Post by **frozen0k** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:51 am

Prometeo wrote:Actually in Liber Null and Liber Pyramidos it has one spelling, and in The Vision and the Voice another, it is confusing. I tried with the first spelling, and although I did it for short periods of time I was having a mild headache, it has never happened that to me with a mantra. Should I insist? Or maybe it isnÂ´t the mantra, maybe itÂ´s just that IÂ´m too tired from working. And I wasnÂ´t trying to do an experiment with other people, my plan was to get rid of God, to stopping him from having any power over me and my life, I think he doesnÂ´t treat me in a fair way.

You think he doesn't treat you fairly? Hehe. You're not the only one.
But, the only power that God has over you is the power that you allow it to have through your unconsciousness. The more aware you become of your thoughts and your feelings, the more power you get and the less controlled you become.
As far as i realized so far, the only way we can be controlled is trough our thoughts. On one hand we get an impulse (as thoughts, more or less conscious) to do or not to do something and on the other hand, we criticize ourselves through thoughts as well.
Only those thoughts are just induced, they appear automatically without our will, and starts to torment us and we actually believe that they are our thoughts.
So, the key to liberate yourself from this false god is to reach to the core of your ignorance and see it for what it is.
If you start to monitor your thoughts as they come to your mind and observe them without generating other thoughts, you will become more and more conscious and you will start to realize that the thoughts are separate from you.
As you realize that you'll slowly get out of their control.
Thoughts are just a form of energy translated by your brain, but most of the time they're just translated into a form that doesn't reflect the core belief, thus it remains unconscious.
For example, you hold an unconscious belief of being unworthy, and you are told to come and speak in front of more people. The fear triggers automatically but the thought that you will receive will be something like: no, i can't do that, what if i don't know what to say? What if i get a blank mind?
If you go deeper, the next statement you get is: they will laugh at me, they will criticize me. A little more deeper: i don't believe that i'm good enough, they don't have to ever discover that.

So, if you manage to feel the energy in your body before it is transformed into thoughts you will get more insight than from reading countless books of psychology. You will realize that those pattern of energy is just a form of resistance trapped in your body, you will start to feel it and thus be able to relinquish it.
Relinquishment of resistance is the end of the mind as your master, the impostor pretending to be you, the false god. All judgment and all negativity dissolve.

When you no longer attach to your thoughts and beliefs, when you are free of all inner resistance of your mind, then you will be no longer controlled.
Until then, we're just puppets thinking and doing things and believing that we have free choice. Fixed patterns of thinking or doing things just keep us in the same trap.
Have no belief as a belief , have no way as a way. Question every thought you have, every action you do and every feeling you have and try to go as deep as you can, try to go to the root of it.
Is just a matter of practice, of being aware from moment to moment. Any form of resistance, any conflicting thoughts will just keep you under control.