Self-introduction; enquiry.

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Hello, people of the forum.

I joined here yesterday afternoon, governed by the same desire as I suppose most here had; to learn of the hidden things in which community the esoteric is the exoteric. I have little in the way of learned and rehearsed experience to proffer a developing student here myself, but merely a few singular events that have drawn me to the strange yet always natural allure of such occult interests. I have studied Astrology for a while, and taught myself the tarot when I was thirteen or so, and have had supernatural experiences, the most affecting of which I paradoxically cannot recall. My most recent ventures with such things were discussions over the Ouija board (as though to prove the veracity of things of this nature to myself) and briefly Automatic Writing. In the course of the latter I came in contact with one by the name of Orontalo, for which I have been rushing back and forth in frenzy to drive out the origin of this strange figure and the meaning of his presence to me, difficult as he was to pin down in talk. That said, I am as yet not entirely certain that he not merely a product of my own imagination. Who would know?
I hope someone with more knowledge than myself may elucidate him. Otherwise, I have had glimpses that seem beautiful and vibrant as visions.
I have little more to impart that will be of worth to know, so at this I shall await response.


Thank you,

O.T.A.



P.S. If one here is in possession of some little ritual, or meditation on a symbol to evoke a response of kinds, or something sufficiently coherent and graspable to the lowly neophyte, please let me know. [thumbup]

[dodaive]

Thats all interesting , your studies more advanced than mine, the automatic writing is of particular interest to me. I am currently studying the Tarot and Goetica. Welcome to our forum, looking to some great discussions [geek2]

[Stukov]

Hello, people of the forum.

I joined here yesterday afternoon, governed by the same desire as I suppose most here had; to learn of the hidden things in which community the esoteric is the exoteric. I have little in the way of learned and rehearsed experience to proffer a developing student here myself, but merely a few singular events that have drawn me to the strange yet always natural allure of such occult interests. I have studied Astrology for a while, and taught myself the tarot when I was thirteen or so, and have had supernatural experiences, the most affecting of which I paradoxically cannot recall. My most recent ventures with such things were discussions over the Ouija board (as though to prove the veracity of things of this nature to myself) and briefly Automatic Writing. In the course of the latter I came in contact with one by the name of Orontalo, for which I have been rushing back and forth in frenzy to drive out the origin of this strange figure and the meaning of his presence to me, difficult as he was to pin down in talk. That said, I am as yet not entirely certain that he not merely a product of my own imagination. Who would know?
I hope someone with more knowledge than myself may elucidate him. Otherwise, I have had glimpses that seem beautiful and vibrant as visions.
I have little more to impart that will be of worth to know, so at this I shall await response.


Thank you,

O.T.A.



P.S. If one here is in possession of some little ritual, or meditation on a symbol to evoke a response of kinds, or something sufficiently coherent and graspable to the lowly neophyte, please let me know. [thumbup]

You can develop communication with them through feelings, sight, and/or hearing. Is this what you have already used to communicate?

[dedevoce]

In the course of the latter I came in contact with one by the name of Orontalo, for which I have been rushing back and forth in frenzy to drive out the origin of this strange figure and the meaning of his presence to me, difficult as he was to pin down in talk. That said, I am as yet not entirely certain that he not merely a product of my own imagination. Who would know?
I hope someone with more knowledge than myself may elucidate him.

It would help if you could describe the situation more. How did you evoke him? What types of communication do you have?

P.S. If one here is in possession of some little ritual, or meditation on a symbol to evoke a response of kinds, or something sufficiently coherent and graspable to the lowly neophyte, please let me know. [thumbup]

There are a number of things possible. What sort of effects are you looking for?

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Thats all interesting , your studies more advanced than mine, the automatic writing is of particular interest to me. I am currently studying the Tarot and Goetica. Welcome to our forum, looking to some great discussions [geek2]

Thanks.

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

You can develop communication with them through feelings, sight, and/or hearing. Is this what you have already used to communicate?

No, I would be more secure in such an endeavor using particular tools, so I am not accessible to them unless I make to the effort to be. In reverie I do not wish to evoke them accidentally. I simply used a pencil and paper.

[Stukov]

Well, if that is what you want, but you are sort of limiting those who will work with you and try to communicate with you. Some spirits may not have the patience (or the skill) to write messages through you, writing isn't natural to them (most).

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

In the course of the latter I came in contact with one by the name of Orontalo, for which I have been rushing back and forth in frenzy to drive out the origin of this strange figure and the meaning of his presence to me, difficult as he was to pin down in talk. That said, I am as yet not entirely certain that he not merely a product of my own imagination. Who would know?
I hope someone with more knowledge than myself may elucidate him.

It would help if you could describe the situation more. How did you evoke him? What types of communication do you have?

P.S. If one here is in possession of some little ritual, or meditation on a symbol to evoke a response of kinds, or something sufficiently coherent and graspable to the lowly neophyte, please let me know. [thumbup]

There are a number of things possible. What sort of effects are you looking for?

As to the first question, I used only a pencil and paper. I made the attempt but twice and have not had the time to try it since. As I said, he was difficult to speak with, and it was a struggle to find him intelligible. He told me his name was Orontalo, and mentioned a 'day blessing'. Then, to obfuscate matter more, he told that his native language was Ogham, though proceeded to produce a line of symbols that seem more Egyptian in nature. I asked of him what his presence meant, if he had appeared to tell me something, and he said "only that you must know."
Before I made the endeavor I think I made the effort to speak with my higher self, so whether he is or not I cannot say. On the whole, what do you make of him?

I will return soon enough with an answer to the last question as I would deliberate first on just what I desire for it.

Thanks,

O.T.A.

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Well, if that is what you want, but you are sort of limiting those who will work with you and try to communicate with you. Some spirits may not have the patience (or the skill) to write messages through you, writing isn't natural to them (most).

Do you communicate with them by these means, and if so, has my concern on such ever found you? I may try so in the future, but for the moment I am most interested in this character with whom I have spoken, and he seems capable of writing when he wishes to.

[dedevoce]

Well, if that is what you want, but you are sort of limiting those who will work with you and try to communicate with you. Some spirits may not have the patience (or the skill) to write messages through you, writing isn't natural to them (most).

Do you communicate with them by these means, and if so, has my concern on such ever found you? I may try so in the future, but for the moment I am most interested in this character with whom I have spoken, and he seems capable of writing when he wishes to.

I agree with Stukov that the means itself can be limiting. As your relationship with this spirit develops don't be surprised if the means of communication shifts. Some spirits have a preferred means, others can work in a variety of ways.

As to the first question, I used only a pencil and paper. I made the attempt but twice and have not had the time to try it since. As I said, he was difficult to speak with, and it was a struggle to find him intelligible. He told me his name was Orontalo, and mentioned a 'day blessing'. Then, to obfuscate matter more, he told that his native language was Ogham, though proceeded to produce a line of symbols that seem more Egyptian in nature. I asked of him what his presence meant, if he had appeared to tell me something, and he said "only that you must know."
Before I made the endeavor I think I made the effort to speak with my higher self, so whether he is or not I cannot say. On the whole, what do you make of him?

My impression is that of "ancient culture". As far as the writing, it would depend on the images. Some of the "spirit writing" I've seen has similarities to ancient writing styles. We have so few documents left of the ancient languages and there are linguistic "gaps" in what we do have.

[Stukov]

Well, if that is what you want, but you are sort of limiting those who will work with you and try to communicate with you. Some spirits may not have the patience (or the skill) to write messages through you, writing isn't natural to them (most).

Do you communicate with them by these means, and if so, has my concern on such ever found you? I may try so in the future, but for the moment I am most interested in this character with whom I have spoken, and he seems capable of writing when he wishes to.

Well, don't open up if you aren't prepared to do it. So many people like "hey I wanna try this" then it happens and they get scared. Being open to everything is beneficial, but sometimes things come to you when you aren't expecting, you could be doing the dishes, could be at work, could be mid-coitus. However, it doesn't control you - at most - its a message or feeling.

One of the things I did, was I setup a "welcome desk" in which they can contact me (just imagine it and create it with will), that way you can you can make sure that it is happening on more of your time schedule. For me it works pretty well so I get any messages before/during sleep or when I'm doing a mind blank (which is a way to prep for doing this). I do communicate this way, communicating with higher self works very very well, you will be able to distinctly know the difference between your HS voice, and others - at least you should. Perhaps I have advantage of being "loud". Doing it this way, the biggest thing that gets in your way or disrupts is your conscious mind, where your mind will normally wander or fill in the blanks - you have to train yourself to "shut up" so you can listen.

[akimbomoss]

One of the things I did, was I setup a "welcome desk" in which they can contact me (just imagine it and create it with will), that way you can you can make sure that it is happening on more of your time schedule. For me it works pretty well so I get any messages before/during sleep or when I'm doing a mind blank (which is a way to prep for doing this). I do communicate this way, communicating with higher self works very very well, you will be able to distinctly know the difference between your HS voice, and others - at least you should. Perhaps I have advantage of being "loud". Doing it this way, the biggest thing that gets in your way or disrupts is your conscious mind, where your mind will normally wander or fill in the blanks - you have to train yourself to "shut up" so you can listen.

A particularly enlightening paragraph. I don't know if I've found the voice of my higher self yet.

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Well, if that is what you want, but you are sort of limiting those who will work with you and try to communicate with you. Some spirits may not have the patience (or the skill) to write messages through you, writing isn't natural to them (most).

Do you communicate with them by these means, and if so, has my concern on such ever found you? I may try so in the future, but for the moment I am most interested in this character with whom I have spoken, and he seems capable of writing when he wishes to.

Well, don't open up if you aren't prepared to do it. So many people like "hey I wanna try this" then it happens and they get scared. Being open to everything is beneficial, but sometimes things come to you when you aren't expecting, you could be doing the dishes, could be at work, could be mid-coitus. However, it doesn't control you - at most - its a message or feeling.

One of the things I did, was I setup a "welcome desk" in which they can contact me (just imagine it and create it with will), that way you can you can make sure that it is happening on more of your time schedule. For me it works pretty well so I get any messages before/during sleep or when I'm doing a mind blank (which is a way to prep for doing this). I do communicate this way, communicating with higher self works very very well, you will be able to distinctly know the difference between your HS voice, and others - at least you should. Perhaps I have advantage of being "loud". Doing it this way, the biggest thing that gets in your way or disrupts is your conscious mind, where your mind will normally wander or fill in the blanks - you have to train yourself to "shut up" so you can listen.

Ah. You had anticipated my concern at any rate. I wished to ensure first that such voices would come as I will them, or not intrusively as I am upon other business. Failing an examination, I do not think giving up the pretext that I was disturbed by spirits would fare overly well among the strait-laced academics.
I think that first I should try to establish that this Orontalo is truly a spirit and not a creation of my own, or, if he is a creation of my own, that he is nonetheless truly a spirit of whom I can reliably avail. Which done, I can proceed with more certitude in my effort.

As to your ''welcome disk'' that is quite ingenious. Many skeptics will contend with a sneer that such things are all in the imagination, and, thinking they have thereby disproved them, they do not know how accurate they are. Perhaps things of the imagination are no less real than palpable objects.

Many thanks for your words of advice,

OTA.

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Well, if that is what you want, but you are sort of limiting those who will work with you and try to communicate with you. Some spirits may not have the patience (or the skill) to write messages through you, writing isn't natural to them (most).

Do you communicate with them by these means, and if so, has my concern on such ever found you? I may try so in the future, but for the moment I am most interested in this character with whom I have spoken, and he seems capable of writing when he wishes to.

I agree with Stukov that the means itself can be limiting. As your relationship with this spirit develops don't be surprised if the means of communication shifts. Some spirits have a preferred means, others can work in a variety of ways.

As to the first question, I used only a pencil and paper. I made the attempt but twice and have not had the time to try it since. As I said, he was difficult to speak with, and it was a struggle to find him intelligible. He told me his name was Orontalo, and mentioned a 'day blessing'. Then, to obfuscate matter more, he told that his native language was Ogham, though proceeded to produce a line of symbols that seem more Egyptian in nature. I asked of him what his presence meant, if he had appeared to tell me something, and he said "only that you must know."
Before I made the endeavor I think I made the effort to speak with my higher self, so whether he is or not I cannot say. On the whole, what do you make of him?

My impression is that of "ancient culture". As far as the writing, it would depend on the images. Some of the "spirit writing" I've seen has similarities to ancient writing styles. We have so few documents left of the ancient languages and there are linguistic "gaps" in what we do have.

I have attempted to reproduce as best I can the symbols imparted. Some of them bear crooked resemblance to those given as I am not accustomed to drawing by means of a computer. However, they should suffice to give you an idea of the actual symbols produced.
I told him I could not understand them. He replied, "Pity," and then "tasstigrange" which seems unintelligible.

I have just found the first session with him. My questions were uttered in my head, to which he responded on paper:

'I am Orontalo.'
---my own question----
'I fall through life.'
-----my own question----
No. I guard the lintelhope.''
---I ask what he would like to tell me----
'Your a llowed speak into perceiving ears'
----my own utterance----
'look'
(here he wrote something unintelligible)


So, he avowed he was Orontalo, mentioned a 'day blessing'. I told him that if english was not his native tongue he could write in his own. He wrote "yes. Ogham" and proceeded to prescribe the torrent of symbols, which I cannot decipher, and have posted here as best I could. Some of what he afterwards said seems unintelligible. I told him I was terminating this session and am not yet persuaded, which met with "fine"

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

There are a number of things possible. What sort of effects are you looking for?

I think I would like to know such a meditation or otherwise for peaceful sleep; or perhaps there such a one for calling a dream to oneself in sleep?
Also, one for protection, perhaps, or one for strength. Is there any such neophyte activity prescribed that involves symbols? Such as meditating
upon symbols, or particular images. These are not great leaps and seem adequate for gaining practice.
Have you ever tried to project your soul out in sleep to that of another, and wander the surrounding land?

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

This afternoon's session. I still, although he reproved me for it, cannot be certain. What, of what, why, and where is he? What is a lintelhope?


-Hello?
Orontalo.
-Is this the one with whom I spoke the last time?
This is he.
-What is your purpose with me?
To show the greater living.
-Which is?
Of things to which I may make you known.
-What are they?
The ways which the greater of mind have fallen to seek, and to which those greater still have attained.
-Such as who?
Kings, slaves alike. The poets that you so revere.
-What would you tell me?
That you have yet to speak to perceiving ears. Your words die on the hopeless.
-The hopeless?
Indeed, those that sneer and jibe, the mockery of multitudes unaspiring.
-What shall I do?
I needn't tell you that but what you should not, which is to fall before them.
-Your words seem to be of my own mind, and you too of my imagination.
Does that make me the less?
-Perhaps not. But how can I be persuaded?
By attuning more to your imagination. Why not ask of it. It says 'I am that I am.'
-Do you read Shakespeare?
You do.
-Are you suggesting we are one and the same?
Perhaps. All you need know is that I am, and because I am you shall do well to hear my counsel.
-I am listening. What, again, would you tell me?
Why so unobtrusive?
-What do you mean?
That you doubt and doubt again the truths of your soul. You doubt too much, and thus too little because of it. Poke out your tongue, loose the stone around it. It has petrified and you with it.
-This seems relevant. From where do you speak?
Among the stones of Cruachan, the pillars of Athens, the back of your eye.
-Are you my Higher Self?
No. I am of the lintelhope.
-What is that? you mentioned it once.
I say no more. Now.
-Thank you for your words. I shall leave you now.
You are most welcome where you dare tread.

[Belial]

Well I suppose I'll hop down and chime in on this conversation.For starters to me it sounds as though he basically told you to come here and his methods were likely designed to push you this way as well.

Now to add my verbal diagnostics.You are puzzled by the phrase Lintelhope.This is just my immediate and literal assessment but here goes.The word lintel refers to a horizontal support beam that spans openings.Now the other part hope refers to expecting or sort of wishing.If you break the components down and address them one at a time I feel there is significance there.

I know I tend to digest words too literally but I notice my bad habit is one shared by often many outside entities and thus I often have an easy time comprehending that which they try to convey with their words despite the limitations of the chosen tool as I too make similar errors thus allowing me to sort of mutually understand their missteps.

[dedevoce]

Ogham: http://www.ancientscripts.com/ogham.html.

Now to add my verbal diagnostics.You are puzzled by the phrase Lintelhope.This is just my immediate and literal assessment but here goes.The word lintel refers to a horizontal support beam that spans openings.Now the other part hope refers to expecting or sort of wishing.If you break the components down and address them one at a time I feel there is significance there.

It is also an anagram: "in tell hope." Nice pun.

I think I would like to know such a meditation or otherwise for peaceful sleep; or perhaps there such a one for calling a dream to oneself in sleep?

In practice, I have often fallen asleep with a peaceful blackness, image in held in my mind to “program” a peaceful night’s sleep. To call a dream, I most often will begin the “story” of it as I’m drifting off to sleep, focusing on as much imaginative details as I can and using multiple senses--touch, sound, etc. As you enter dream sleep the story will continue on its own.

Also, one for protection, perhaps, or one for strength. Is there any such neophyte activity prescribed that involves symbols? Such as meditating
upon symbols, or particular images. These are not great leaps and seem adequate for gaining practice.

There are others on here who are better at symbols than I so I would like to defer that answer. The principle of the process is essentially that the symbol can serve as a sort of neumonic which can help “program” your dreams toward a specific end.

Have you ever tried to project your soul out in sleep to that of another, and wander the surrounding land?

Yes. This is an old practice. In some Native American and Celtic traditions, for example, dream walking into the body of another is used find an animal spirit guide.

[Belial]

It's not much fun when you just up and snatch the bait I dangle and hand it to the interested party De.I try to be mysterious and obscure but you always insist on turning a flashlight on.Now I have to go stalk another thread.

[dedevoce]

It's not much fun when you just up and snatch the bait I dangle and hand it to the interested party De.I try to be mysterious and obscure but you always insist on turning a flashlight on.Now I have to go stalk another thread.

I will try to be more mysterious next time.

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Now to add my verbal diagnostics.You are puzzled by the phrase Lintelhope.This is just my immediate and literal assessment but here goes.The word lintel refers to a horizontal support beam that spans openings.Now the other part hope refers to expecting or sort of wishing.If you break the components down and address them one at a time I feel there is significance there.

I know I tend to digest words too literally but I notice my bad habit is one shared by often many outside entities and thus I often have an easy time comprehending that which they try to convey with their words despite the limitations of the chosen tool as I too make similar errors thus allowing me to sort of mutually understand their missteps.

Ah, yes. I have discovered some forgotten notes which I had taken and, as it so turns out, I had arrived at much the same conclusion by breaking the word into its two separately intelligible components. The imaginings and musings this animates are striking. The image of his duty, this vigilant spirit at this door, as it would seem, as like at the Treasury of Atreus in Greece, who discerns and makes judgement from moonrise to fall on who and what shall gain passage, is vividly animating. I have been reading into some of his words, and the significance of the lintel and posts and pillars in spiritual matters is profound.

''And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall by in thine heart:
And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.'' Deuteronomy 6:5-9

''Thus saith the Lord God; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary:
And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the alter, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.'' - Ezekial 45:18-19

In a book by M.C. Poinsot called The Complete Book of Occult and Fortune Telling (which I have not read) he imparts the command in Deuteronomy in significantly different and more pertinent words: "You shall never forget the law of God and shall engrave it on the lintels of your doors."


Emanuel Swedenborg has given an exposition on the play of lintels which is both instructive and elucidating:

''The signification of the posts of a door, is the truths of the natural; and the signification of the lintel, is its goods. The posts and the lintel have this signification because by a house is signified man himself, or his mind, and by those things which belong to a door are signified the things which serve to introduce. That these are the truths and the goods of the natural is evident; for the natural man is instructed before the rational, and the things which the man then learns are natural things, in which are successively insinuated spiritual things, which are interior. From this it is evident how the natural in respect to truths and goods serves to introduce. Moreover the lintel and the posts have a like signification to the forehead and hands with man. Angelic ideas are of such a nature that natural things bear relation to such things as belong to man. The reason is that the spiritual world or heaven is in the form of a man, and all things of that world, that is, all spiritual things, which are truths and goods, bear relation to this form, as has been shown at the end of many chapters in treating of correspondences. And whereas in angelic ideas natural things become spiritual, so also does a house, which to the angels is the mind of man; the bedchambers and inner rooms being the interiors of the mind; and the windows, the doors, the posts, and the lintels, the exteriors of the mind, which introduce. As angelic ideas are of such a nature, they are also living; and so when the things in the natural world which are dead objects, pass into the spiritual world, they become living objects; for everything spiritual is living, because it proceeds from the Lord.''


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-VVat4qLYMA/S ... a_akko.jpg

This is a Lintel discovered with David's Shield, or Star of David, a six-petalled Lily and a Grecian cross engraved upon it. All three together are thought to suggest Shechinah, the presence of God. The Lintel, an anchorage to these three symbols, harbours its own symbolism not solely as keeper of these three but, being suspended above the entrance of Sacred places, as something also which grants admission; something under which we must pass to become part of the temple, or church, or sanctum else that we would desire to learn of.

A friend has told once that the soul descends into incarnation ('the Many') and ascends back into the Monad ('the One'). This transpires as through the two gates
of the summer and winter solstice (imagine such gates with the foregoing pillars, or posts, embodying the same intrinsic concept of entrance as the lintel) which are sometimes, he tells me, called the 'mouths'. The gate of Cancer, as you may have inferred, appears in the summer solstice through which the soul descends and that of Capricorn - winter solstice - as that through which is ascends.

[Belial]

Well I certainly wish you success in your quest.This is something that ultimately falls on your shoulders to complete.The gatekeeper wouldn't be too pleased if somebody else completed your task for you now would he?

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Well I certainly wish you success in your quest.This is something that ultimately falls on your shoulders to complete.The gatekeeper wouldn't be too pleased if somebody else completed your task for you now would he?

This is true enough, though I present it as both for your own discerning interest, and the conceivable case of one sharing a like experience that might hopefully inform my own. Thank you for your wishes and etymological help,

OTA.

[Stukov]

Checking to see if there any updates?

[Olympus tripudio in aequora]

Checking to see if there any updates?

Hello,

I am still wading through what I have so far been given to understand. In the mean time, I have been perusing the posts on this forum to my piqued interest.
In broad occult happenings, I see the moon frequenting my tarot readings and dreams more often of late. I dreamt not four mornings ago that the moon was out,
in broad daylight, and that a mirror the length of the sky had hung a second moon, so that each was facing the other. I thought later on waking that it was not a mirror but a painter's hand had hung the second moon aloft. It seemed imperfect, as though the painter's shook and trembled in creation.
What area of the occult is to your greatest interest and preoccupation?

Thank you for the enquiry,


OTA.