What do I need to make black/dark magick work?

[azezal]

What will make summoning work for me? I tried the pentagram method when I was a kid years ago, did not work. I am not concerned of the consequences. More concerned about the time involved.

I don't need any protection. But herbs are fine if they get the job done. Also I am not interested in love or healing spells etc since I feel no emotion.

[Belial]

Well this is definitely where I should chime in!I was already in an awesome mood but now after finding this I'm in an even more awesome mood!Plus fifteen points for the question and plus twenty five for the name!

Before I can correct any of your mistakes in the process I'd need to know exactly what you did , not a rough depiction I mean exactly.If you want you can PM me and talk in private.

Here I'll post this publicly. http://www.durenmar.de/articles/nigromancy.html It is not a game despite how it sounds.Actually it kind of is!Think of it like playing high stakes poker with demons!

[Stukov]

DejaVu or was that link somewhere else on this board?

[Belial]

I have not seen it actually linked but our Greek friend made references from it before.

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

That's right ... thanks for keeping it dear Belial.

Now...dear azezal please read again what you wrote !!!

''What will make summoning work for me? I tried the pentagram method when I was a kid years ago, did not work. I am not concerned of the consequences. More concerned about the time involved.
I don't need any protection. But herbs are fine if they get the job done. Also I am not interested in love or healing spells etc since I feel no emotion.''

Is there anyone in the world who will try to summon ''something'' and have no protection at all ??
The most important thing...you should really be very concerned of the consequences !!!!!
Summoning a spirit is not a game.....

Please read the following articles...they might help...i'm only interested to prevent you from something that could actually harm you...unless you wanna summon your guardian angel or something like that...but that couls also be a trap in some cases !!!!!

How to Summon your Guardian Angel

http://www.ideamarketers.com/?How_to_Su ... om=PROFILE

The dangers of summoning

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showt ... -dangerous

[Belial]

What I believe he is saying is that he feels he does not require any such protection as he is confident in his own power.I think I understand where he is coming from with this as it somewhat reflects my methods.When I summon I don't use any security measures to protect myself.When nothing stands between you and the demon a contest of power usually follows and in most cases the summoner will lose.Obviously my personal methods are highly inappropriate for most summoners but it's my preferred style.

I'm interested in talking with this person now for multiple reasons.

I like the way you elaborated the process back then ΙΟΛΗ7.You put it in a much more defined manner than I ever have.I've always just outlined the steps and the risks but you managed to break it down mathematically as well.

Other than that I mean no offense ΙΟΛΗ7 but your name is kind of hard to quote every time I wish to mention you and I do not like referring to you based solely on being Greek as I personally find that condescending and disrespectful.So would you mind if I refer to you by a nickname instead?Mind if I call you something like Cura , Iom , Sol or Seven?

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

Yes....i understand the way he thinks and acts...i also understand your way....i prefer to be cautious...that's the way i always work with all of my rituals...i just wanna be certain that i cover every possible danger.A Greek proverb says: ''καλύτερα να προλαμβάνεις παρά να θεραπεύεις'' which means ''better to prevent than cure'' !!!!!!!
No offense dear Belial...Ι understand it's difficult for all of you to quote my name in Greek,so you can call me Ioli...it's the same.By the way...allow me to thank you for the fine ''nicks'' that you've chosen for me...very elegant...seven is my number...also the date of my birth !!!!

''I like the way you elaborated the process back then ΙΟΛΗ7.You put it in a much more defined manner than I ever have.I've always just outlined the steps and the risks but you managed to break it down mathematically as well.''

We are all here to share our experiences and knowledge...thanks again for all of your comments.

[Nahemah]

''καλύτερα να προλαμβάνεις παρά να θεραπεύεις'' which means ''better to prevent than cure'' !!!!!!!

We have that one too,we say it like this:

" an ounce of foresight [oz] is worth more than a pound[ lb]of regret".

[Nahemah]

May I call you Loli sometimes too? I
I usually copy and paste your username,so I get the Greek characters right.

7 is my resonant number too.I have a multitude of sevenses in my life,including my house and building number and all the classic numerology ones too etc. [There's a lot more on that,but Absinth is dulling my writing ability atm,soz]

My other name is Geri and any members can call me this if they wish,as long as they keep it on the friendly side,lol. [greensmile]

[Nahemah]

To the OP: azezal,you feel NO emotion?

You sure about that?

[Belial]

Loli it is then.I have the tendency of giving everyone a nickname including the demons I work with.I find people are a lot more accepting of the practice than demons tend to be though.

For me my number is 11.

Now I find feeling no emotion a little hard to believe.Even demons feel emotion.Just not the same kind people do.Unless their feeding off them.

[Nahemah]

For me my number is 11.

A master number,I feel that is appropriate for you,Belial.You certainly "know your onions",which is another pithy saying from hereabouts. [thumbup] [means you are knowledgable,an understanding born of experience and we see experience as the best teacher]

Now I find feeling no emotion a little hard to believe.Even demons feel emotion.Just not the same kind people do.Unless their feeding off them.

My line of thinking,also.

[Belial]

You are certainly perceptive.A little off base but I love onions.I often bite into them raw.Your phrase fueled my hunger.


I've worked with enough demons to confirm that they do feel emotion.Generally it's their perspective people find immoral.Just different sets of values.

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

''καλύτερα να προλαμβάνεις παρά να θεραπεύεις'' which means ''better to prevent than cure'' !!!!!!!

We have that one too,we say it like this:

" an ounce of foresight [oz] is worth more than a pound[ lb]of regret".

that's exactly what the Greek proverb means !!!! Thanks...i didh't know this proverb. [happyface]

[Nahemah]

Cool.
I believe we might have more in common,than we hold in difference. [cool]

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

May I call you Loli sometimes too? I
I usually copy and paste your username,so I get the Greek characters right.

7 is my resonant number too.I have a multitude of sevenses in my life,including my house and building number and all the classic numerology ones too etc. [There's a lot more on that,but Absinth is dulling my writing ability atm,soz]

My other name is Geri and any members can call me this if they wish,as long as they keep it on the friendly side,lol. [greensmile]

Thank you so much for sharing all this information...i feel very comfortable now..you have the ability to cause to others a feeling of relaxation...and i know you know that !!!!
7 was always my number...a very sacred number for numerous reasons...like...:

Seven A mystic or sacred number. It is composed of four and three, which, among the Pythagoreans, were, and from time immemorial have been, accounted lucky numbers. Among the Babylonians, Egyptians, and other ancient peoples, there were seven sacred planets. The Hebrew verb for "to swear" means literally to come under the influence of seven things; thus, seven ewe lambs figure in the oath between Abraham and Abimelech at Beersheba (Gen. 21:28); and Herodotus describes an Arabian oath in which seven stones are smeared with blood. There are seven days in Creation, seven days in the week, seven graces, seven deadly sins, seven divisions in the Lord's Prayer, and seven ages in the life of man; climacteric years are seven and nine with their multiples by odd numbers; and the seventh son of a seventh son was held noble. Among the Hebrews, every seventh year was sabbatical, and seven times seven years was the jubilee. The three great Jewish feasts lasted seven days; and between the first and second were seven weeks. Levitical purifications lasted seven days; Balaam would have seven alters, and sacrificed on them seven bullocks and seven rams; Naaman was commanded to dip seven times in Jordan; Elijah sent his servant seven times to look out for rain; ten times seven Israelites went to Egypt, the exile lasted the same number of years, and there were ten times seven elders. Pharaoh in his dream saw seven years for each of his wives; seven priests with seven trumpets marched round Jericho once every day, but seven times on the seventh day. Samson's wedding feast lasted seven days; on the seventh he told his bride the riddle, he was bound with seven withes [sic], and seven locks of his hair were cut off. Nebuchadnezzar was a beast for seven years. In the Apocalypse, there are seven churches of Asia, seven candlesticks, seven stars, seven trumpets, seven spirits before the throne of God, seven horns, seven vials, seven plagues, a seven-headed monster, and the Lamb with seven eyes. The old astrologers and alchemists recognized seven so-called planets. According to the Muslims, there are seven heavens. Benιt's Reader's Encyclopedia (Siepmann, 1987)

Seven Wonders of the Middle Ages 1) The Colosseum of Rome. 2) The Catacombs of Alexandria, Egypt. 3) The Great Wall of China. 4) Stonehenge. 5) The Leaning Tower of Pisa. 6) The Porcelain Tower of Nanking. 7) The Mosque of Hagia Sophia.

Seven-year Itch The seven-year itch has been synonymous for sexual desire since 1660. Seven-year itch had no sexual connotation when first recorded in 1899, simply meaning "a type of itch allegedly requiring seven years of healing."

Seven Seas The Arctic and Antarctic, North and South Pacific, North and South Atlantic, and the Indian Ocean.

Seven Senses According to ancient teaching the soul of man, or his "inward holy body" is compounded of seven properties which are under the influence of the seven planets. Fire animates, earth gives the sense of feeling, water gives speech, air gives taste, mist gives sight, flowers give hearing, the south wind gives smelling. Hence the seven senses are animation, feeling, speech, taste, sight, hearing, and smelling. Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (Evans, 1989)

Seven Sages Name given by Greek tradition to seven men of practical wisdom--statesmen, law-givers, and philosophers--of the seventh and sixth centuries BC. The list of sages is variously given in different authorities, but generally it comprises Solon of Athens, Thales of Miletus, Pittacus of Mitylene, Cleobulus of Rhodes, Chilon of Sparta, Bias of Priene, and Periander of Corinth. The Oxford Companion to Classical Literature (Howatson, 1989)

Seven Natural Wonders of the World 1) Mt. Everest. 2) Victoria Falls. 3) The Grand Canyon. 4) The Great Barrier Reef. 5) The Northern Lights. 6) Paricutin. 7) The Harbor at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Seven Liberal Arts A loose classification of the subjects comprising the educational curriculum in the West during the Middle Ages, from the late fifth century AD onwards. The name 'liberal arts' seems to originate with Aristotle who in the Politics talks of eleutherai epistemai, 'brances of knowledge worthy of free men', the basic knowledge needed for a properly educated citizen... They were divided into the trivium, namely grammar (i.e. literature), rhetoric, and dialectic, and the more advanced quadrivium, namely arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. The Oxford Companion to Classical Literature (Howatson, 1989)

Seven Names of God Of the many names the ancient Hebrews had for the deity, the seven names of God were those over which the scribes had to take particular care, the names being: El, Elohim, Adonai, Yhwh (Jehovah), Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyer, Shaddai, and Zebaot. Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins (Hendrickson, 1987)

Seven Last Words The Seven Last Words are the last utterance of Christ on the cross... The words are "My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...recorded in Mark 15:34, and Matt. 27:46. Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins (Hendrickson, 1987)

Seven Deadly Sins also called cardinal sins. Any of the sins originally identified during the early history of Christian monasticism and grouped together as early as the 6th century by St. Gregory the Great. The traditional catalog of the seven deadly sins is: (1) vainglory, or pride; (2) covetousness; (3) lust, understood as inordinate or illicit sexual desire; (4) envy; (5) gluttony, which usually included drunkenness; (6) anger; and (7) sloth. The classical discussion of the subject is in the Summa theologiae, by the 13th-century theologian St. Thomas Aquinas. The seven deadly sins were a popular theme in the sermons, morality plays, and art of the European Middle Ages. Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of Literature (1995)

Seven Heavens A concept of ultimate spiritual bliss based upon some verses in the Koran and further elaborated by Muslim commentators. Muslims believe that Allah created seven heavens, on above another, and that the Prophet Muhammed was carried there on his horse Borak. Benιt's Reader's Encyclopedia (Siepmann, 1987)

I prefer to call you Nahemah...seems more mystical !!!!! You can also call me IOLI !!!

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

Loli it is then.I have the tendency of giving everyone a nickname including the demons I work with.I find people are a lot more accepting of the practice than demons tend to be though.

For me my number is 11.

Now I find feeling no emotion a little hard to believe.Even demons feel emotion.Just not the same kind people do.Unless their feeding off them.

IOLI is the correct...but if you don't approve...have it your way...fine by me.

11 is also in my date of birth...i just love it.

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

Cool.
I believe we might have more in common,than we hold in difference. [cool]

ohps...i think i type very slowly in English....

I believe that too !! [happyface]

[Belial]

Actually the seven cardinal sins were once the 8 temptations.Yeah I would be the one to point that out.Regardless nice elaboration of seven.

[Nahemah]

I prefer to call you Nahemah...seems more mystical !!!!! You can also call me IOLI !!!

Thank you,I wil mostly go formally as you do,but you have my 'inner name' now too. [grin]

[Belial]

Forgive my grievous error Ioli.I mistook the i for an l.I thought it was strange that it would start with an l.When I read over it I saw loli instead of Ioli.My sincerest apologies.I deserve a right hard kick for that.

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

Nahemah...i really like your nick...it gives me a sense of stability and inner meditation.

Belial...when i saw Loli i just laughed...please don't apologise...so cute the way you wrote it... [happyface]

[TheHunchback]

What I believe he is saying is that he feels he does not require any such protection as he is confident in his own power.I think I understand where he is coming from with this as it somewhat reflects my methods.When I summon I don't use any security measures to protect myself.When nothing stands between you and the demon a contest of power usually follows and in most cases the summoner will lose.Obviously my personal methods are highly inappropriate for most summoners but it's my preferred style.

Most people will balk at summoning without protection, but I consider this a natural evolution in the life of any practitioner. If you think about it, everyone who starts with set procedures is taking their chances, as well. Mistakes happen and procedures might create a false sense of security. I don't see how anyone can advance without experimenting. Consider what it takes to write a grimoire. The grimoire itself presupposes that mistakes were made and things went awry with other methods. So, having internal protections or relying on one's own power is necessary at some point.